Does Canada need a more aggressive population control policy?
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No, for the most part they'd be welfare cases, drug dealers, and homeless petty criminals.
"No, for the most part they'd be welfare cases, drug dealers, and homeless petty criminals."
And therein lies the difference between a conservative like myself and a liberal.
I tend to give the benefit of doubtand believe that every person can succeed on his own with sufficient effort and determination. Liberals tend to be patronizing and believe that people can only succeed with government support and affirmative action.
That is why they support abortion, even in the latest stages of pregnancy. After all, they survived abortion after all their brains have been sucked out.
And therein lies the difference between a conservative like myself and a liberal.
I tend to give the benefit of doubtand believe that every person can succeed on his own with sufficient effort and determination. Liberals tend to be patronizing and believe that people can only succeed with government support and affirmative action.
That is why they support abortion, even in the latest stages of pregnancy. After all, they survived abortion after all their brains have been sucked out.
Unfortunately YJ not all people can succeed on their own and do need a hand. That is why we have a social safety net. Not that I support the multitudes of social workers we have to pay that have built an industry out of "helping" others. Mostly they have just helped themselves to a big chunk of tax dollars.
Actually Cliffy is corrrect. You determined population by dividing the population by the land mass. This is known as simple density and can be quite misleading. A better indication of population density is what is called physiographic density which measures the population density where people actually live. Canada's physiographic density is about 60 people per square km, when the area of Canada where people actually live and work is calculated. This is still very low compared to most, however, so we are not even close to running out of space, especially compared to places like India. India has a simple density of about 360/sq. km. and is even more crowded when physiographic density is used, coming in at about 800/ sq. km.
The Plan!?
Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says 'I love New York' in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams........even if he's a little nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams' plan (hard to argue with this logic!)
'I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.'
1) 'The US, UK, CANADA, and AUSTRALIA will apologize to the world for our 'interference' in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good 'ole' boys'; we will never 'interfere' again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are from. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign 'students' over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D' and it's back home, baby.
6) The US, UK, CANADA, and AUSTRALIA will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy, but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not 'interfere.' They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement, or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us 'Ugly Americans' any longer. The language we speak is ENGLISH/FRENCH..learn it...or LEAVE....Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
'The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' '
Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says 'I love New York' in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams........even if he's a little nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams' plan (hard to argue with this logic!)
'I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.'
1) 'The US, UK, CANADA, and AUSTRALIA will apologize to the world for our 'interference' in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good 'ole' boys'; we will never 'interfere' again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are from. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign 'students' over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D' and it's back home, baby.
6) The US, UK, CANADA, and AUSTRALIA will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy, but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not 'interfere.' They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement, or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us 'Ugly Americans' any longer. The language we speak is ENGLISH/FRENCH..learn it...or LEAVE....Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
'The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' '
Robin Williams does have a way with words.
Not too sure being that isolationist would be good for export businesses though.
Not too sure being that isolationist would be good for export businesses though.
If by population control we mean just keep population at a minimum, well then a few nukes can solve that problem. Just buy some nukes and nuke ourselves.
What good would it be to let in a well educated immigrant, and put him in the woods? If you are allowing a well educated and bright immigrant who is in business, the medical field, anything a well educated person is useful for into your country, it would be useless to put them in a small town in the middle of nowhere. Canada is a great country and you'd be taking a big hit by telling people where they need to live.
yup...... definatley need to control this out of control population expansion that Canada is experiencing.....oh wait...what was that??????..... As the Baby Boomers get into the full swing of retirement...... seniors will out number the under 20's for the first time ever????? As the Baby Boomers retire Canada will face an unprecedented shortage of skilled workers not seen since the great wars???????
Population control :roll: friggin morons :roll:
Population control :roll: friggin morons :roll:
Only those who have earned the right of citizenship will be allowed to have children. Federal Service can lead to citizenship. "Only those should control a society who have proven they are willing to give their lives for that society." Robert Heinlein 1959 :smile:
I doubt it. There are other factors, though. One is that people tend to like land to live on that is near water, relatively flat, pretty easy to grow stuff like lawns, flowers, etc. on as well as being fairly close to urban centers. That makes people wanting to live on land that is best for crops. And urbanisation is not particularly healthy. Like we say around here, cities dehumanise people.
Another factor is that the more people there are, the more difficult it is for the limited supply of fresh water to accommodate us.
IMO, people wanting more population growth to make more economic growth, etc. is Stupid with a capital "S". We should strive to make a system more stable, not strive for unlimited growth.
Ahhh the need for more food engineering. Brilliant. Smaller growing spaces, higher yields, etc.
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I don't know where you get your info from, but unless the population becomes more productive, it needs immigrants to grow. As it stands, Canada is not amongst the top with regards to productivity. Also, immigration has not had a negative impact on our economy in the last 25 years. Again, I have no idea where you get your #'s from, but during that time, our nominal GDP/capita has risen. Nominal GDP/capita is probably one of the best aggregate metrics of overall economic growth.
Another thing I would like to point out is that just because India and China have high densities, does not make it a good F'n idea. It's such a stupid argument to make.....well so and so has density X, ergo, Canada should have more people. The US has more murders per capita, so Canada can afford to have a lot more murders. That's the kind of logic I am often seeing. We have a finite amount of land, and once we fill it up and use it up, that's it, we can't really go back. We should think long and hard before we just open the flood gates.
Canada doesn't *need* immigration to sustain economic growth. You can have the same number of people, and up their per-person productivity with technology.
In the second place, at some point people are going to have to wake up and understand that the economy can't grow forever. At some point you will reach the carrying capacity of the land upon which you dwell, after which point, if you try to keep growing, you're just going to be driving everyone down into poverty.
In fact, on a planet-wide basis we're already way over the carrying capacity. It's a simple known fact that in order for everyone to have what's called a "middle-class" standard of living, the earth can only do that for 1.5 billion people, but we're over 6 billion people now, which means no matter what you do, even if the population were to stop growing now, there would always be 4.5 very poor people, *or* the middle-class gets demolished so that all six billion live at something slightly above very poor.
Some people think Canada *has* to trade with other nations.
Well yeah, it does, but not for the reasons you think.
Canada is one of only two countries in the world (the other being Russia) that's self-sufficient in all the resources required to sustain an industrial economy, such that if Canada were to somehow be able to build an impervious wall around itself, it would be able to comfortably sustain a very find middle to upper-middle class standard of living just trading with itself. It's not Canada who "needs" to trade... it's all the place like the US and Japan and China who need Canada to trade with it, because they don't *have* all the resources required to sustain an industrialized society.
What it means is that, yeah, Canada "has" to be a trading nation, but not because it must... rather, because if it doesn't, some very powerful forces will start pushing very hard to force it to.
In any case, because of the ecological footprint of the average Canadian, in fact the almost-30 million Canadians living here already are having as much of an impact on the environment as would 1.5 billion Chinese (because of how they are more efficient with how they use resources).
If you look at it in terms of ecological footprint, we're already overpopulated given the actual carrying capacity of the narrow strip of land we have that is actually inhabitable.
I wouldn't say we have any problems. it's just out east.
Lots and lots of open land out West! Alberta and Saskatchewan alone can handle 10-15 Million more!
come on out!
You're talking like you're unaware of the fact that the prairies have already lost half it's topsoil, and that if it keep going at the rate it has been, then by the year 2130 there will be no topsoil, such that it will all become a packed clay-mud desert, so how would you feed all the people moving there in order to live in all that space. There's lots of space in the Australian outback too, you know.
Second, the prairies are already at their carrying capacity of water supply, and it's getting worse, because the prairies get all their water from melting Rocky-mountain glaciers, which used to be replenished by winter snow at a rate close to how much it would melt, but because of global warming, the ice-fields are now melting much faster than they are being replenished, and if those glacier ice-fields ever disappear, then the cities of Calgary, and Edmonton, and Regina, and Saskatoon, etc. are going to dry up and blow away.
Early climate-change researchers were estimating that the Columbiann ice-field would be gone by 2130 at the rate it was going then, but since then we've seen global warming heat up faster than even the strongest proponents of global warming had been predicting. Now they're saying it could be gone by 2050.
So... if you live in Calgary or Edmonton, be prepared to have to move somewhere else in 40 years.
The problem is not so much what Arizona is doing, the problem is that Arizona is doing it, and not the federal government. Immigration is the proper purview of federal government, and Arizona passing immigration legislation us usurping the authority of federal government.
I don't think there will be much of a problem if federal government passed such a law.
That is true enough. Australia is a huge land almost as big as USA. Yet Australia cannot support much more than its present population. Big parts of Australia are simply deserts and one has to be a hardy aborigine to survive in it.