Do You Know About The 4 Day House Insurance Rule

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An elderly cancer patient whose home flooded while she was getting treatment was denied coverage from Grey Power, because she left her house in Pembroke, Ont., unattended for more than four days.


"I did not expect to be away from my house for any period of time."


Scotland's home is now a mess from water damage. She's facing an $11,000 repair bill, because of a little-known standard policy exclusion she said she'd never heard of.


Insurance experts told Go Public that few Canadians are aware that if they leave their home for more than four days in the winter, without a responsible person to check the heat inside each day, home insurance won't cover water damage if pipes freeze and burst, as in this case.


Alternatively, water supply valves need to be shut off, but some policies may still require periodic checks, even with that precaution.


"There are millions of people insured in this country — and I would suspect that maybe a couple of hundred thousand understand this part of their policy," said Monica Woldring, an independent insurance broker in B.C.


The Insurance Bureau of Canada said it doesn't have numbers, but Woldring expects this last harsh winter led to a spike in this type of claim — and this kind of denial.


"They are disastrous for most people, because it's not like the water has only dribbled."


Scotland's home in Pembroke is almost a two hours' drive from Ottawa General Hospital, where she is being treated for multiple myeloma, a type of blood cancer.


Her doctor didn't like her travelling back and forth, she said, so she reluctantly left home in November to stay close to the hospital during treatments. She had a neighbour watch the house and pick up mail, but she didn't ask him to go inside.


Three weeks after her last visit home, her furnace went out and the pipes froze and burst.


She insisted that when she bought her insurance, the person who sold her the policy said nothing about this exclusion.


"The broker should have told her. The broker should have reminded her. You have to remind people because they don't remember," said Woldring.


There is no mention of this pitfall on Grey Power's website, even though there are other tips for seniors who leave their homes in the winter.


Go Public did a test to see if Grey Power warns potential customers who call. Posing as someone shopping for home insurance for elderly parents, we asked repeatedly what wasn't covered. Initially, we were told burst pipes would be.


Grey Power declined Go Public's request for an interview and didn't answer questions about its practices.
It sent an email, pointing out its broker "diligently" answered questions we asked him.


"We take great pride in our brokers, and they in turn take great pride in the service they provide to our customers," said a Grey Power spokesperson.


As a result of our inquiries, it also said it has now "reached out" to Scotland to try to "resolve the situation as quickly as possible."
"We are very sorry that she has had to refocus her time and energy to this matter."


Woldring said she believes customers are more in the dark about insurance than ever, because they are buying online or over the phone.


"My fear is that we are losing the humanity in our business … we are going to have more and more cases like this one … especially as people age and get ill."




Grey Power denies flooded home claim for senior who was away for cancer treatment - Ottawa - CBC News
 

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Read the fine print. If there is something you specifically want covered ask about it.
Next to government insurance is the biggest criminal organization in the country.
 

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Governments or insurance companies?
Insurance companies. The crimes of governments are well known.

In this case, for example, it sounds like the insurance company was writing common sense into its policy. What's criminal about "If you're going to be away in the winter, have a friend or family member swing by a couple of times a week to make sure your water pipes haven't burst?" I take it that you think the fact the policyholder didn't read her policy, or didn't care, is a crime by the insurance company, yes?
 

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One example of crookedness by insurance companies that happened to me. Had a machine burn up. Turns out that insurance company does not pay out on value of machine they were willing to accept premiums on but instead on what a similar machine sold for at auction.
 

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"She insisted that when she bought her insurance, the person who sold her the policy said nothing about this exclusion."
A lot like the Calgary people who were denied insurance because the flood came over the land rather than from above. 4 days is how long it takes for mold to start forming. I'll be they are also excluded from being responsible for any damages that happen because of mold if the place ever had a mold issue and did not have a clean bill of health from a person that runs a cleaning service.

Machinery has a lifespan that depreciates every year. A $500,000 piece of heavy equipment might have a lifespan of 10 years and then still have a value of $50,000 at an auction. Burned up should be scrap metal value
 

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Insurance companies.
I take it that you think the fact the policyholder didn't read her policy, or didn't care, is a crime by the insurance company, yes?
Whatever happened to 'all perils'?

If you sue you insurance company over a policy and you win should you switch insurance companies or will they give you the 'best service' as they are getting some of their money back?

So a house that burns down should have no value?
I know this one family in the country that built a really nice house and the weekend before they moved in they had the gas connected and a leak resulted in an explosion that shifted the house on it's foundation. Insurance denied because they did not have 'explosion' insurance. If it exploded and then burned to the ground they would have been covered as they did have fire insurance.
 

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Whatever happened to 'all perils'?
You want an "all perils" policy? Buy one.

Warning: It will be expensive.

One example of crookedness by insurance companies that happened to me. Had a machine burn up. Turns out that insurance company does not pay out on value of machine they were willing to accept premiums on but instead on what a similar machine sold for at auction.
"Turns out?" Oh dear, sounds like somebody didn't read his policy, and now wants to blame the insurance company.
 

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There is no mention of this pitfall on Grey Power's website, even though there are other tips for seniors who leave their homes in the winter.

Go Public did a test to see if Grey Power warns potential customers who call. Posing as someone shopping for home insurance for elderly parents, we asked repeatedly what wasn't covered. Initially, we were told burst pipes would be.

Grey Power declined Go Public's request for an interview and didn't answer questions about its practices.
It sent an email, pointing out its broker "diligently" answered questions we asked him.

"We take great pride in our brokers, and they in turn take great pride in the service they provide to our customers," said a Grey Power spokesperson.

it would be prudent of them to cover it
 

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Maybe you could pass a law saying that insurance companies have to read the policies to their clients, complete with fuzzy blankets, stuffed animals, and hot chocolate.
 

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Maybe you could pass a law saying that insurance companies have to read the policies to their clients, complete with fuzzy blankets, stuffed animals, and hot chocolate.
My insurance agent switched my Homeowner and car insurance companies a couple of years ago, and before she did she read all the exclusions and inclusions separately and each one she read she had me sign at the bottom that she had read them to me,
When it came to water and frost damage, and I told her I had a main shut off valve and also a remotely programmable wi-fi thermostat, that i could monitor the house temperature from anywhere in the world, and a neighbor had a key to let in a repairman should it be needed; and my agent wrote it into that sheet I signed. She told me that they would contact me if that wasn't acceptable and I never heard from them......
 

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Perhaps the fine print will be the part that is in the biggest letters and who,what, when and where are the fine print as it is standard to every policy.
 

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It was news to me until yesterday. Stuff like that should be "head lines" on any policy. Just another piece of white collar corruption!
 

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I'm not sure if there would be an exception in this case, but more generally speaking, you should read your policy or you deserve everything you (don't) get.

Maybe you could pass a law saying that insurance companies have to read the policies to their clients, complete with fuzzy blankets, stuffed animals, and hot chocolate.

dat curmudgeon sense of entitlement.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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I'm not sure if there would be an exception in this case, but more generally speaking, you should read your policy or you deserve everything you (don't) get.



dat curmudgeon sense of entitlement.
Funny how much the conservatives sound like liberals when it gets right down to it, ain't it?

Wanna hear 'em piss and moan about how this woman was irresponsible and should have read her policy? Just announce that the government's going to pick up the slack.