Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?

JLM

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If you are so upset with our socially responsible society then you are free to leave it...and we hope you do!

I am none of what you describe and am sure that most have a specific reason for being one of those things that is quite possibly beyond their control.

My sister, for example, who has worked her entire adult life (not for the govt or in a union) now has breast cancer, her disability and EI have run out and she now has to collect the welfare which you are so against to meet her basic needs and have the govt pay for her meds for the short time she has left.

Given this example you will obviously understand when I tell you to F U C K OFF and DIE!!!! Why she has to pass away when people like you are left to roam our planet is beyond my understanding.

Very excellent and appropriate post Nick. I liked your description of the components of a loaf of bread, and you are even influencing my thinking a tiny bit. :smile: Now what you or someone has to do is think of how to get away from inflation. It hasn't gotten us anywhere in my lifetime- (how many months have been wasted on picket lines because of it?) We are no better off than we were in 1950, actually worse off- the vast majority were self sufficient then.

Sorry to hear about her illness, but I still don't want to pay for her treatment.....you can though. When she was working she could have gotten insurance or saved more....when the nanny state does it people forget how to do it on there own.

When we end silly exspensive unsustainable services like health care people will learn how to take care of themselves again and stop bothering people who do.

Take care.

Some people just don't know when the f**K to shut up. :roll:
 

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My sister, for example, who has worked her entire adult life (not for the govt or in a union) now has breast cancer, her disability and EI have run out and she now has to collect the welfare which you are so against to meet her basic needs and have the govt pay for her meds for the short time she has left.

Very sorry to hear this Nick, my Sister Inlaw had breast cancer.

It's a hard go and nothing to made light of.
 

PoliticalNick

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Thank you all for the kind words, it has been very tough and my whole family has suffered a great deal emotionally and financialy trying to beat this but to no avail. We all have basically nothing left and have started to come to grips with the situation. Amazingly she seems to be the strongest one of all of us and continually tries to give us support and good cheer.

I apologize for going off like I did, Avro is entitled to his opinions and beliefs just like the rest of us no matter how much any may disagree with him.
 

JLM

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I see no reason for hostilities, just stating my opinion.

Yes, but it can be done without insulting people. Not everyone can afford to insure or take precautions against every eventualilty. :smile:

Thank you all for the kind words, it has been very tough and my whole family has suffered a great deal emotionally and financialy trying to beat this but to no avail. We all have basically nothing left and have started to come to grips with the situation. Amazingly she seems to be the strongest one of all of us and continually tries to give us support and good cheer.

I apologize for going off like I did, Avro is entitled to his opinions and beliefs just like the rest of us no matter how much any may disagree with him.

I too feel your pain, just wish it all turns out for the best.
 

Avro

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I apologize for going off like I did, Avro is entitled to his opinions and beliefs just like the rest of us no matter how much any may disagree with him.

Thank you for that.

It is a free country, try telling that to union JLM and his guvment pension.:roll:

Betcha he wouldn't have suffered the way your sister has in the way of cost, but thanks to good old bottomless pocket tax payer he has gold plated benefits for sleeping in a truck by the side of the road for 35 years.

If you and your family paid hardly any tax you would have had the funds to pay for your own insurance and make sure your sister rested comfortably till the end...and maybe, just maybe extended her life with superior American style heath care.

Take care, I hope her last days are comfortable and peacefull.

Yes, but it can be done without insulting people. Not everyone can afford to insure or take precautions against every eventualilty. :smile:

Again, not my problem.

If they paid less tax, most people could pay for it all themselves and if you can't, work harder or turn to a charity for help.

I'm sure all the lefies who like taking money from people through taxation would step up the plate and help.
 

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SK Premier Brad Wall says he isn't, as a Conservative going to support Harper Conservatives. Says he's staying neutral.

I'm hearing stuff like this a lot from the old-time conservatives I know.

They seem frustrated. They're not into the Liberal way, and definitely not NDP/Bloc/Green ways, but they're not altogether comfortable with Harper's Remoformist ways.

It's as if they feel like they've been abandoned.

Frankly, I feel kind'a sorry for them.

I never figured out why Joe Clark didn't launch a reincarnation of the PCs.
 

JLM

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Thank you for that.

It is a free country, try telling that to union JLM and his guvment pension.:roll:

Betcha he wouldn't have suffered the way your sister has in the way of cost, but thanks to good old bottomless pocket tax payer he has gold plated benefits for sleeping in a truck by the side of the road for 35 years.



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You really are an ignorant bastard.
 

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My sister, for example, who has worked her entire adult life (not for the govt or in a union) now has breast cancer, her disability and EI have run out and she now has to collect the welfare which you are so against to meet her basic needs and have the govt pay for her meds for the short time she has left.

Ugh... cancer.

I read a study once showing with numbers that the statistical probability of surviving cancer was about equal to that of surviving combat, with the severity of different types of cancer mapping to different battles, i.e. a really bad cancer gives one the same chance of survival as being at Dunkirk, whereas others if detected in time can be like GW-I.

The point being, cancer is quite literally a battle, and there's no more sense to who survives it than there is to who survives combat. You might as well be in the middle of a raging battle for all the difference it's going to make to your odds for survival.

So... wanna hear what *my* opinion is about how people with cancer should be treated and cared for like we should also be doing to support soldiers in combat, and the consideration and respect due to survivors?
 
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You notice all these Leaders, all they keep telling us is how THEY would spend our money!!
One says, I'll spend it this way, the other says, I'll spend it that way !!!

It's like they think we are all idiots and we need THEM to spend our money for us,,, how utterly stupid !!
Do they really think non of us know how to spend our own money ???

Spending money is not the problem, getting enough money so we can spend it, is the real problem.
So, each leader should be telling us what he is going to do in order that Canada can increase it's revenue without increasing our taxes. This would be the true test of a leader.
Once we have the money, we will tell them how we want it spent.
 

PoliticalNick

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Very excellent and appropriate post Nick. I liked your description of the components of a loaf of bread, and you are even influencing my thinking a tiny bit. :smile: Now what you or someone has to do is think of how to get away from inflation. It hasn't gotten us anywhere in my lifetime- (how many months have been wasted on picket lines because of it?) We are no better off than we were in 1950, actually worse off- the vast majority were self sufficient then.

There is a solution if government were willing to entertain it. The problems start with our debt-based currency and Fractional Reserve Banking so those are what needs to go.

A quick explaination of FRB goes like this. You deposit $100 into a bank. They can then loan out against you deposit with only a fraction actually held in reserve, about 12%, so they can loan $88 to someone else. That person deposits the $88 in a different account and the bank can then make a loan against it, with the same reserve %, or $77.44. The $77.44 is deposited and the process continues. The money is never actually created until someone signs a contract to pay a loan which gets entered into their ledger on the credit side to balance the debit of them giving you the money loaned. **You actually create the money you borrow from thin air by your signature** which attaches more debt to the money in circulation.

Anything that people are willing to accept as currency can be used as currency, in the 1600's in Britain it was carved polished pieces of wood called Tally Sticks. The way to make any form of currency widely acceptable is by making it allowable for the payment of taxes. Instead of issuing interest bearing bonds when the government needs money they just issue the money directly and interest free, this was done in America before the civil war which was Greenback Curency. As the new currency starts to circulate the old money is used to pay the principle on the old bonds removing it from circulation and the new currency is used to pay the interest. We can actually print enough new currency to pay of the debt entirely but that would put too much currency in circulation which causes devaluation.

As the new money gets deposited into banks we incrementally change from the fractional reserve banking system to a full reserve banking system. They can no longer loan more than is on deposit. They may still charge interest o the loans to make profit but cannot expand those loans and profits as they could in fractional reserve. As old currency is removed form the system and new money replaces it dollar for dollar we can use more new to pay off the debt. The debt gets paid off over the course of 2-3 years and we no longer have interest attached to the currency itself.

Once we have this accomlished the government replaces defective bills 1 to1 and expands the currency supply to match the pouplation growth, about 3%/yr. Inflation would basically cease to exist in Canada and we would have no national debt left so could reduce taxes accordingly to pay for the programs we chose to have without a $33.3 billion dollar interest payment on the debt every year.

Now if you think this is crazy and won't work check out Gurnsey, a little independant island between England and France. They have done this already removing the pound sterling and replacing it with their own debt free currency and have almost no taxation and absolutely no national debt. It does work!!

Hope you kind of get the idea. This is one of the major reforms I keep pushing our government for to allow for us all to have a better life. Of course the banks will go ballistic because they don't have free license to create endless profit from money that you create for them from your signature on a loan document, they will fight against this like never before, but if all Canada cries out for this and demands it from our government the banks will either get over it or leave and we can start our own Canadian banks without them.


Thank you for that.

It is a free country, try telling that to union JLM and his guvment pension.:roll:

Betcha he wouldn't have suffered the way your sister has in the way of cost, but thanks to good old bottomless pocket tax payer he has gold plated benefits for sleeping in a truck by the side of the road for 35 years.

If you and your family paid hardly any tax you would have had the funds to pay for your own insurance and make sure your sister rested comfortably till the end...and maybe, just maybe extended her life with superior American style heath care.

Take care, I hope her last days are comfortable and peacefull.

You know, in spite of your insensitivity to other human beings, I am actully quite fiscally conservative. I just don't let it override my moral obligation to people who need help. There are many, many costs and expenditures that can be removed from government but it has to be balanced with the overall well-being of the population. Would you really feel safer with a few thousand homeless and hungry roaming your neighborhood? I would rather see my taxes go to educating and training than welfare and policing those that will do what is necessary to survive. Addictions are treatable diseases not crimes and so much could be saved just by realizing this fix the root causes and then it is better permanantly. I guess its the 'hand-up instead of hand-out' philosophy for me. Some services like police, fire, education and healthcare should remain as public, fully funded, services because they create a better overall society at a cheaper cost than indivdually but lots of govt functions could be removed to charities or a program of voluntary tax contributions for non-essential services. There has to a balance and that should be the common goal for the common good.
 

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Well boo hoo, still not my problem.

Why should I pay the way for anyone else, it's my money.

If you want your own dough, work for it.

If you want to willingly spend your own money to help someone out then go ahead, but no one should force you to pay for people that are dumb and lazy....ie...unionized public employees or some drooling idiot lying on the street.

Same with education, if you can't pay to send your kids to school.....DON"T HAVE KIDS!

If you can't protect your stuff then it should be mine anyway. You spout anarchy which seems really good and everything right up until you see the 50 cal on the back of the Toyota and the guys with Kalashnikovs hopping out and walking up to your house. Then it's all about how community should come together and defeat these enemies of the State.

If that's how I work for a living, you can't say I am wrong in taking everything from you because, it's your idea.
 

Avro

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You really are an ignorant bastard.

Sorry if the truth stings, at least you feel a little guilty for stealing from hard working tax payers.:smile:

If you can't protect your stuff then it should be mine anyway. You spout anarchy which seems really good and everything right up until you see the 50 cal on the back of the Toyota and the guys with Kalashnikovs hopping out and walking up to your house. Then it's all about how community should come together and defeat these enemies of the State.

If that's how I work for a living, you can't say I am wrong in taking everything from you because, it's your idea.

I never said anything about anarchy, pay attention.

You know, in spite of your insensitivity to other human beings, I am actully quite fiscally conservative. I just don't let it override my moral obligation to people who need help.

I'm not preventing you from helping others, but I won't force you either.

It's up to you.
 

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There is a solution if government were willing to entertain it. The problems start with our debt-based currency and Fractional Reserve Banking so those are what needs to go.

You're right to identify FRB as the root of everything nutty about our economy and the way financiers, who used to exist simply to provide a service, were able to take control under Reagan/Bush and deregulate the economy in order to go on a joy-ride resulting in the long recession we're still crawling out of way past when we should have recovered.

But I think you underestimated a tad how much they can lend out per real deposit.

You said if someone deposits $100, they can lend %88 of it presuming a 12% reserve, but I was taught that because they can write funds due as an outstanding credit when someone signs a contract to repay, without writing anything into the debit side of the ledger, it means that if they're keeping a 12% reserve, they can lend out $833.33, because $100 is 12% of $833.33

At the start of the financial crisis we're in, 12 trillion dollars vanished. How can that happen. It's because it was FRB money that never existed in the first place.

Then the government can go and borrow as much as it wants to. There never seems to be a shortage of dollars when it's the government borrowing. Gee... if there's a financial crisis, then where is all the money coming from for government to "borrow"?

It's so twisted, and it was all started by the Rothschilds, the world's first great Fractional Reserve Bankers, and their main target for lending were the most powerful governments of Europe.
 

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Sorry if the truth stings, at least you feel a little guilty for stealing from hard working tax payers.:smile:

I never said anything about anarchy, pay attention.

I'm not preventing you from helping others, but I won't force you either.

It's up to you.

Man you are really living in a bubble.:smile:
 

PoliticalNick

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You said if someone deposits $100, they can lend %88 of it presuming a 12% reserve, but I was taught that because they can write funds due as an outstanding credit when someone signs a contract to repay, without writing anything into the debit side of the ledger, it means that if they're keeping a 12% reserve, they can lend out $833.33, because $100 is 12% of $833.33

They wish it worked like that but unfortunately for them it is how I said. See for yourself...

Fractional-reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Poor Bastards missing out on all that extra income they would have if we did it your way.

As for the credit/debit...they enter a credit upon you signing the agreement to pay but then have a debit against it for the amount of the loan, it has to balance. The contract is the asset and the funds given are the offsetting liability. See GAAP (generaly accepted accounting principles), it always has to balance. The interest on your payments over the life of the loan (and any fees for the loan app) are the only income recorded from the entire transation transaction.
 
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Avro

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Man you are really living in a bubble.:smile:

So you disagree?

Not surprised, conservatives aren't really that right wing, just look at the last budget. I'm surprised they didn't have a bill to set up a task force to rescue kittens from trees and puppies from drowning.....government does everything else.:roll:
 

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So you disagree?

Not surprised, conservatives aren't really that right wing, just look at the last budget. I'm surprised they didn't have a bill to set up a task force to rescue kittens from trees and puppies from drowning.....government does everything else.:roll:

If this is the way you feel, you should consider moving to a Country that better meets your requirements.

Mexico maybe?

You can spout off all you want. You know and I know that your vision will never happen.
 

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I never said anything about anarchy, pay attention.

Here is what you said.

I want to pay tax for two things only.

The military for protection not intervention.

Police, courts and jails to protect property and law.

End funding for everything else.

Hungry? Work or die.

I am sure you understand this, so I have to wonder why you would make such a silly statement.
What do you do when your military tells you that the cost of the military just went up to everything you own?
When the police arrest you for not paying your military bill and throw you into prison to wait for your trial.
When the prison charges are so high that you can't afford them now that you aren't working while in jail for not paying your military bill, and you get sentenced to death before you get to trial over your failure to pay for your military bill charges.

Maybe you are going to hire a lawyer? With what? All you assets have been seized by the court as evidence that you haven't paid your bill.

Mean while I have just bought your family as they were enslaved right off for not paying police protection tax and sold to pay off their debt. Since there is no law because there is no government because you don't want to pay for government, they under pain of death must do my bidding.

I don't know what you would call it but it sounds a lot like anarchy to me.

In the sh1ty places in the world, you pay for military protection and the corruption of the court. What makes you think that would be a good thing to implement here?

I think it's back to the drawing board.
 

Avro

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If this is the way you feel, you should consider moving to a Country that better meets your requirements.

Mexico maybe?

You can spout off all you want. You know and I know that your vision will never happen.

Love it or leave it?

Liberals say that all the time.

I know Canada will never adopt all of things I'd like but some are inevitable....no country is perfect.

I'd prefer to stay a fight for these things rather than scamper away.

Here is what you said.

I know exactly what I said.

End funding for all things, except the military to protect our country and the police to uphold the law.

If I don't pay the tax to fund the military that is against the law, just like not paying tax for schools and hospitals.

Not sure why this is to complex for you to grasp.