Dissatisfied with Choices

[Reverend Blair]

Explain, please. The conservatives proposed a budget in the area of $59billion, if I recall (I really don't want to go to the trouble to look up the exact numbe), which was considerably higher than the Liberals, which put everyone into a state of apoplexy, then Martins budget along with the NDP amendments took thier budet to around $85 billion. If you have other info, please let me know.

It appears you've been fooled again. You really should buy a Who record or two.

The Liberal budget was full of old money being reannounced. It's a classic ploy...role out the same money over again and it looks like you're spending more. Every government does it. It makes them look like they are spending a lot on popular programs while not going over-budget.

Thanks for the information from someone "on the ground". You have confirmed some of what I have been told, and have provided new information as well. What were the election results, I don't recall.

The election results were that the NDP won a slim majority. Their popularity has gone up since then...enough that many have suggested they should consider an early election call.

I know as many, maybe more, people in Saskatchewan as your buddy does, Blue. In the cities, small towns and farms. The information you are getting from unspoken is no more "on the ground" than what I give you...it's just spun from an angle you happen to agree with.

 

[unspoken]

The exact election results were NDP 30 Seats, Sask Party 28, Liberals 0.
And contrary to the last post, they have not gained popularity, some have even gone as far to say that the Sask Party will form the next government.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Ah, but they have gained popularity. The economy is doing well, people have jobs, the province is now a have province, agriculture is no longer the big industry. That's the kind of government that gets re-elected.

The ag sector still sucks, but there isn't much that a provincial government can do about the BSE thing or the low price of crops.

Calvert looks like a grave-digger, granted, but nobody cares.

 

[bluealberta]

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Ah, but they have gained popularity. The economy is doing well, people have jobs, the province is now a have province, agriculture is no longer the big industry. That's the kind of government that gets re-elected.

The ag sector still sucks, but there isn't much that a provincial government can do about the BSE thing or the low price of crops.

Calvert looks like a grave-digger, granted, but nobody cares.

So the guy who lives there is wrong, and you, the guy who does not live there is right? Amazing.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The people I know who live there have a tendency of being right, Blue. I'll trust them over some guy who just showed up, thanks.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The people I know who live there have a tendency of being right, Blue. I'll trust them over some guy who just showed up, thanks.

Why am I not surprised that you won't believe someone who actually knows what they are talking about. :roll:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Why is you have so much trouble understanding that I grew up in Saskatchewan and talk to people from there every day?

 

[Toro]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Last federal election in Saskatchewan

Tories 13 seats
Liberals 1 seat
NDP 0 seats

Two constituencies help the NDP in Saskatchewan - the native population and old people. Both tend to vote NDP and both are growing faster than the general population. But anything can happen.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Why is you have so much trouble understanding that I grew up in Saskatchewan and talk to people from there every day?

Because you have this habit of ignoring reality in your world. Apologise for Calverts bad mistakes, but slam Ralph for some of the same. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The NDP will get two or three seats in the next election, bull boy. I realize that you hate natives and old people, since you are a Reformatory and all, but they certainly aren't the only ones who vote NDP.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The NDP will get two or three seats in the next election, bull boy. I realize that you hate natives and old people, since you are a Reformatory and all, but they certainly aren't the only ones who vote NDP.

So now, according to you, all former reformers hate natives and old people. Amazing, and and outright lie. Provide any proof of any reform policy that even hinted at your unfounded and untrue allegations. Your opinions are not facts. Get over it.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The NDP will get two or three seats in the next election, bull boy. I realize that you hate natives and old people, since you are a Reformatory and all, but they certainly aren't the only ones who vote NDP.

Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad. Everything is viewed through the prism of hatred.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The NDP will get two or three seats in the next election, bull boy. I realize that you hate natives and old people, since you are a Reformatory and all, but they certainly aren't the only ones who vote NDP.

Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad. Everything is viewed through the prism of hatred.

Thats because the socialist left have no sense of humour and are always in a constant state of depression because they know that there are people out there who can think for themselves, and as that is contrary to everything they believe, they get frustrated and unhappy.

Oh well. Glad to contribute to their unhappiness. :lol:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

It was bull-boy who brought the Natives into it, Blue. By the way, Toro, you're from that part of Saskatchewan...did you the the Klan member who shot that native for walking into his store, or did you just know him from meetings?

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

It was bull-boy who brought the Natives into it, Blue. By the way, Toro, you're from that part of Saskatchewan...did you the the Klan member who shot that native for walking into his store, or did you just know him from meetings?

Everything is racism and hatred isn't it? You can't have a civil debate without labeling people. Natives and old people tend to vote NDP. So do poor people. Rich people and farmers tend to vote Conservative. Oh wait, I'm a racist! This is asinine.

Carney Nerland lived around the block, six houses away from me. In RevWorld, that makes me a Nazi.

 

[bluealberta]

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It was bull-boy who brought the Natives into it, Blue. By the way, Toro, you're from that part of Saskatchewan...did you the the Klan member who shot that native for walking into his store, or did you just know him from meetings?

Everything is racism and hatred isn't it? You can't have a civil debate without labeling people. Natives and old people tend to vote NDP. So do poor people. Rich people and farmers tend to vote Conservative. Oh wait, I'm a racist! This is asinine.

Carney Nerland lived around the block, six houses away from me. In RevWorld, that makes me a Nazi.

The trouble is, in RevWorld, there is only one slot for everyone to fit into, and if someone doesn't fit the socialist profile, they get put into the discard pile because the socialist profile has no answer for anyone who does not march lockstep through life believing that government is good, government is good, government is good, and on and on and on.

 

[unspoken]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The people I know who live there have a tendency of being right, Blue. I'll trust them over some guy who just showed up, thanks.

Well excuse me for being new around here. I've been following politics at the provincial and federal levels since I was 15 years old, so I think I just might know what I'm talking about. Or is it I'm not right because I'm not in agreement with your point of view?

Contrary to what people may be telling you, the NDP has not gained support. Many people think Calvert did a terrible job of getting a deal with Martin, especially considering all the pressure Martin was under with the confidence vote at the time, he could have got a way better deal then he did. This is one of several reasons why they are not gaining popularity.
Another, as I mentioned in a previous post, are the terrible job the NDP are doing of investing taxpayers money into ventures that go absolutely nowhere, especially now with the pulp mill...and in that specific case, the reason they keep throwing money into it is because they barely won that seat in the last election, and a high profile NDP cabinet member holds the seat...hmm, spending taxpayers dollars inefficiently to help prop up a government, sound familiar to anyone?
You also mentioned how agriculture is no longer the big industry. Maybe in terms of dollar revenue I'd agree, but it's still one of the biggest employers of people, both directly and indirectly, that this province has. That makes it a very vital part of our economy. And as to the claim that the government can't do anything about it, it's not that they can't, its that they won't because 95 % of their vote base is in cities, so as long as they have those people's support, they don't give a rats ass what happens to the ag sector. If they tried even half as hard as Alberta's provincial government has to turn the agriculture sector around, there might actually be some results.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

The people I know who live there have a tendency of being right, Blue. I'll trust them over some guy who just showed up, thanks.

Well excuse me for being new around here. I've been following politics at the provincial and federal levels since I was 15 years old, so I think I just might know what I'm talking about. Or is it I'm not right because I'm not in agreement with your point of view?

Contrary to what people may be telling you, the NDP has not gained support. Many people think Calvert did a terrible job of getting a deal with Martin, especially considering all the pressure Martin was under with the confidence vote at the time, he could have got a way better deal then he did. This is one of several reasons why they are not gaining popularity.
Another, as I mentioned in a previous post, are the terrible job the NDP are doing of investing taxpayers money into ventures that go absolutely nowhere, especially now with the pulp mill...and in that specific case, the reason they keep throwing money into it is because they barely won that seat in the last election, and a high profile NDP cabinet member holds the seat...hmm, spending taxpayers dollars inefficiently to help prop up a government, sound familiar to anyone?
You also mentioned how agriculture is no longer the big industry. Maybe in terms of dollar revenue I'd agree, but it's still one of the biggest employers of people, both directly and indirectly, that this province has. That makes it a very vital part of our economy. And as to the claim that the government can't do anything about it, it's not that they can't, its that they won't because 95 % of their vote base is in cities, so as long as they have those people's support, they don't give a rats ass what happens to the ag sector. If they tried even half as hard as Alberta's provincial government has to turn the agriculture sector around, there might actually be some results.

What is the feeling in Sask about BSE and the way the Feds have handled, or not handled, this issue? From my viewpoint, it appears that the provincial governments and the federal Conservatives are the only ones who have done anything about this, the libs have been very silent. I guess it may be hard to go ask for favors when you have made it clear you "hate those bastards" on a number of occasions.

 

[unspoken]

The feeling in Saskatchewan is not unlike how it is in Alberta, except that Klein is trying a lot harder than Calvert seems to be. There hasn't been really any challenges to the ruling in the US that the ranchers in Montana got, and the governments don't really have a plan of action or have put any pressure on any US politicians to remedy the situation. It seems they still believe in the "throw a bunch of money at it and it will fix itself" solution, and most farmers here are not happy to say the least.

 

[bluealberta]

The feeling in Saskatchewan is not unlike how it is in Alberta, except that Klein is trying a lot harder than Calvert seems to be. There hasn't been really any challenges to the ruling in the US that the ranchers in Montana got, and the governments don't really have a plan of action or have put any pressure on any US politicians to remedy the situation. It seems they still believe in the "throw a bunch of money at it and it will fix itself" solution, and most farmers here are not happy to say the least.

.....which reflects the attitudes of farmers here. It is discouraging to hear that the liberals have helped by providing money, when the real issue would have been to lobby the US government very hard.

I read an article in the paper today about a forum in the US where the AG sec, I believe, was pushing hard to get the border reopened asap, so maybe this will be solved within the next couple of months. As far as I know, the conservative party is the only political party to apply for and be granted intervenor status in the US court case, ironically, led by Belinda Stronach. At least she did something good before she joined the dark side.