Dissatisfied with Choices

Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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First off, I'd like to point out that Blue is also listening to a guy from Florida, while criticizing me for moving all the way to Winnipeg. :roll:

Well excuse me for being new around here. I've been following politics at the provincial and federal levels since I was 15 years old, so I think I just might know what I'm talking about.

Then you'd better be pushing sixty if you want to claim more experience than I have at it. You should also keep in mind that I have friends and family on farms, in small towns, and in the cities.

Contrary to what people may be telling you, the NDP has not gained support. Many people think Calvert did a terrible job of getting a deal with Martin, especially considering all the pressure Martin was under with the confidence vote at the time, he could have got a way better deal then he did. This is one of several reasons why they are not gaining popularity.

The confidence vote has nothing to do with it. All of the federal seats went Conservative, and Layton had already made his deal.

Another, as I mentioned in a previous post, are the terrible job the NDP are doing of investing taxpayers money into ventures that go absolutely nowhere, especially now with the pulp mill...and in that specific case, the reason they keep throwing money into it is because they barely won that seat in the last election, and a high profile NDP cabinet member holds the seat...hmm, spending taxpayers dollars inefficiently to help prop up a government, sound familiar to anyone?

And yet that mill provided jobs and money for the community and the province. There are also new initiatives like the clean fuel plants, which are doing the same thing. And windmills. and, and, and. You are picking a couple of failures and ignoring all of the successes.

You also mentioned how agriculture is no longer the big industry. Maybe in terms of dollar revenue I'd agree, but it's still one of the biggest employers of people, both directly and indirectly, that this province has.

Which is why the NDP has put forward those fuel plants. They make energy from canola. I hear they are building some slaughter facilities too. Hmmm...sounds to me like they are helping the farmers.

And as to the claim that the government can't do anything about it, it's not that they can't, its that they won't because 95 % of their vote base is in cities, so as long as they have those people's support, they don't give a rats ass what happens to the ag sector. If they tried even half as hard as Alberta's provincial government has to turn the agriculture sector around, there might actually be some results.

What can they do about the US border closure? Nothing. International trade is a federal matter and it was the judge that RCALF bought that kept the border closed. What can they do about the low price of wheat? Nothing. That's caused by massive subsidy programs in the US.

So what has Alberta done to turn their ag sector around? The same things Saskatchewan has, really. They still have the same problems too. Oh, and don't forget that it was Stephen Harper's party who protected Cargill from contempt of parliament fines and Stephen Harper who showed up in Saskatoon during the last election and refused to talk about agriculture.
 

bluealberta

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Apr 19, 2005
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REv said:

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Another, as I mentioned in a previous post, are the terrible job the NDP are doing of investing taxpayers money into ventures that go absolutely nowhere, especially now with the pulp mill...and in that specific case, the reason they keep throwing money into it is because they barely won that seat in the last election, and a high profile NDP cabinet member holds the seat...hmm, spending taxpayers dollars inefficiently to help prop up a government, sound familiar to anyone?


And yet that mill provided jobs and money for the community and the province. There are also new initiatives like the clean fuel plants, which are doing the same thing. And windmills. and, and, and. You are picking a couple of failures and ignoring all of the successes. "

Yet you do exactly the same thing when you mention some of the failures of the Alberta government. Why is it okay for an NDP government to do this, because its about jobs, but wrong for the Conservative government to do this even though the reasons may be exactly the same?

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Reverend Blair

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Apr 3, 2004
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RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

ha Alberta government uses such projects as kickbacks to their corporate buddies though, Blue. Check out your oil agreements.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Reverend Blair said:
ha Alberta government uses such projects as kickbacks to their corporate buddies though, Blue. Check out your oil agreements.

No, I will not respond to extremely vague allegations about something you have no idea of or proof of. You check them out and post links to make your point, or quit with the smear campaigns and unfounded left wing allegations.
 

Vanni Fucci

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Dec 26, 2004
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Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

bluealberta said:
No, I will not respond to extremely vague allegations about something you have no idea of or proof of. You check them out and post links to make your point, or quit with the smear campaigns and unfounded left wing allegations.

Bad night blue?

I hope it's not that "problem" I mentioned earlier on... :oops:
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

I think your allegations that I'm making allegations are nothing but a right-wing smear campaign, Blue.

Check out your oil agreements. They're a bad joke. You get lower rates than Libya and you give the corporations a tax holiday. Then you subsidize them with your tax dollars.

Check out how easy the Alberta government and federal Conservatives went on Cargill. They got millions and they didn't pass it on to the farmers or reinvest it in the economy. Instead they posted record profits. In a year where they couldn't export beef. Odd that.

Now look at campaign contributions. Hmmm.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Vanni Fucci said:
bluealberta said:
No, I will not respond to extremely vague allegations about something you have no idea of or proof of. You check them out and post links to make your point, or quit with the smear campaigns and unfounded left wing allegations.

Bad night blue?

I hope it's not that "problem" I mentioned earlier on... :oops:

I have not problems other than the stupid rain which won't quit, that is the only thing.

You get the info and I will respond, but I won't waste my time on a wild goose chase.