Dissatisfied with Choices

[bluealberta]

The cost of true democracy cannot be measured in dollars and cents.

Yet you have suggested, several times, that Alberta deserves more votes than its population would indicate because they pay more money.

Incorrect. I have stated that based on population we should have more votes. The maritimes with less total population has more seats than Alberta. I also have said that as Albertans provide more per capita towards Canada, maybe a little more influence in how it is spent would be nice.

You cannot compare our senate to the us senate, the presidents powers in the us are much different, and less, than the powers our PM has.

Yes I can because you are suggesting that we inflict a senate based on the US model on this country.

No I am not.

Our senate could and should be used to offset the "democratic dictatorship" we find ourselves in in Canada. Power to the Provinces!

That wouldn't help you though, Blue. You would have the same number of senators as every other province and territory and the other provinces would still vote against your ideas. That's why your province has been promoting the American model so stridently...it's a bad enough model that money, highly partisan politics, and questionable influence make a difference.

You do not know that, and I think you are wrong anyway. I suspect that western senators may band together to offset the eastern influence, and quite frankly, I suspect that Quebec federalist senators are more aligned with westerners than easterners, at least in the area of provincial responsibility and powers.

If you want support for it, find another model or push your party to accept PR and forget about changing the senate.

Funny, the Reform initially pushed for PR, and was rebuffed. Make up your minds.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

...and how much did the NDP secure for social spending?

How much blue???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup, $4.6 billion and more if they can get it. The ND's have never met a social program they did not like, and have never met a tax cut they would recognise. Massive surpluses are overtaxation, plain and simple. You guys just want to waste it.

Tax cuts to the already wealth and corporations you mean? Yes, by all means, the fat cats must get fatter... :lol:

 

[bluealberta]

Too bad it also makes a lot of people jealous, but then, I guess they could come to Alberta to take advantage of the situation too. You know, the ALBERTA ADVANTAGE.

I hate to be the one to tell you this blue, but Alberta is pretty much inconsequential...the rest of us couldn't really give a rat's ass how great you think you are...just keep signing those welfare cheques, and we'll all get along just fine...

Yeah, thats the attitude all right, even if you were trying to be sarcastic. Pathetic.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Too bad it also makes a lot of people jealous, but then, I guess they could come to Alberta to take advantage of the situation too. You know, the ALBERTA ADVANTAGE.

I hate to be the one to tell you this blue, but Alberta is pretty much inconsequential...the rest of us couldn't really give a rat's ass how great you think you are...just keep signing those welfare cheques, and we'll all get along just fine...

Yeah, thats the attitude all right, even if you were trying to be sarcastic. Pathetic.

Isn't it though... :wink:

 

[bluealberta]

...and how much did the NDP secure for social spending?

How much blue???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup, $4.6 billion and more if they can get it. The ND's have never met a social program they did not like, and have never met a tax cut they would recognise. Massive surpluses are overtaxation, plain and simple. You guys just want to waste it.

Tax cuts to the already wealth and corporations you mean? Yes, by all means, the fat cats must get fatter... :lol:

How about tax cuts to the middle class like Harper proposes? That would be nice, since the majority of Canadians fit in this category.

 

[Harris 4 PM]

Am I the only one that is disappointed at the choices we have on election day? I wish there was an option on the ballot for "None of the Above". Nobody has seen our MLA since the last election. I wrote to him 3 times over the past 4 years and never even received an acknowledgment, much less any action. But the alternatives don't inspire my trust either. Once they get elected, the focus is on keeping their seat, and the electorate is forgotten until next time. As usual, I guess I will just have to hold my nose and vote for the least bad again. And as if that wasn't enough, Harper seems hell bent on taking us back to the polls again. Geez! I wish all those MLAs and MPs would just do what they were elected to do - represent their constituents in the house - and stop all the senseless partisan bickering. After all, we do pay their salaries and expenses. What good is democracy if we don't have real choices?

I mostly agree.

I had no idea what I was going to do when I thought we were going to the polls again this year. I guess I was going to make up my mind if at all during the campaign. I don't know if Canada have ever had this level of weak leadership across the political spectrum.

Harper doesn't seem to know how to run a political party or come off to the public positively. I find him dry and boring and has no drive or passion at all. He is not the type of person who is ever PM of a majority government.

Paul Martin is indecisive and blows whichever way the political wind does. It doesn't appear he believes in anything or has any real vision for Canada beyond doing whatever it takes to stay elected. Including 4.6 billion in NDP spending and a cabinet minister's position. A pretty stiff price for one year to save his government.

Jack Layton....is not respected at all by average canadian. He comes off as that weird guy in the community who got into the acid too hard as a kid, not prime minister material. He like any other NDP party anywhere has no real plan for the economy. There is nothing dynamic here, just tax a spend politics like in BC and Ontario.

It will be tough to choose when eventually an election comes. I don't know if I will even vote. Will depend on what our choices are, I hope they get better.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

...and how much did the NDP secure for social spending?

How much blue???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup, $4.6 billion and more if they can get it. The ND's have never met a social program they did not like, and have never met a tax cut they would recognise. Massive surpluses are overtaxation, plain and simple. You guys just want to waste it.

Tax cuts to the already wealth and corporations you mean? Yes, by all means, the fat cats must get fatter... :lol:

How about tax cuts to the middle class like Harper proposes? That would be nice, since the majority of Canadians fit in this category.

Uh huh...and how much equality and how many social programs would we have to sacrifice to be told that the tax cuts can't be implemented this budget, or the next, or the next...

Nobody but you and a handful of extremists trust that f**ker to do any of what he "proposes"...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

A close looks at the proposal shows most of the cuts going to the rich anyway. It's same kind of math that Bush used to get his tax cuts for the insanely wealthy through.

Harris is no better than Harper either. His tax cuts turned out not be affordable so he slashed medical care and education spending. Hell, his minister of education never even finished high school, hows that for a disgusting piece anti-intellectual dirt-bag garbage.

 

[Harris 4 PM]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Harris was the best Primer Ontario has had in modern history. He brought Ontario out of the gigantic mess that the NDP made and restored Ontario as undisputed economic powerhouse in Canada.

At the same time taking over the books in Canada would be completely different. We already have a reasonably developed sense of fiscal prudence in general as a country now when the NDP is even promoting balanced budgets. This would be an even bigger triumph I believe.

Also, I think its economic completely ideological driven fear mongering to suggest the type of tax cuts that Harper talked about would so negatively effect the social security net.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Harris was the best Primer Ontario has had in modern history.

Seeing as how members of your own OPP called him a gun crazy red-neck, I have no doubt that he was a good "primer". As a premier, however, he sucked. He suck the life out of health care, he tried to teach your kids to be as stupid and ignorant as Ralph Klein.

He left you with a larger debt than he came in with, so claiming that he cleaned up anything is ridiculous. He had the homeless beaten. He killed natives. He was basically a racist, moronic dickwad.

 

[Harris 4 PM]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

Oh excuseeeeee me for the typo

He didn't leave with any deficit check your facts, his last budget was balanced. Harris is also is an intellectual and has forgotten more about the Canadian economy than you know. "Redneck" is a laughable assertion, and your slanted, untrue and overdramatized take on his PREMIERSHIP are a good indication on your political stripe and therefore their worth.

 

[Reverend Blair]

He didn't leave with any deficit check your facts, his last budget was balanced.

I didn't say deficit, check my post.

Harris is also is an intellectual and has forgotten more about the Canadian economy than you know.

Intellectual? They man is a pro golfer.

"Redneck" is a laughable assertion,

It was a member of the OPP who said it...when he was talking about Harris trying to pressure them into shooting natives who protesting peacefully.

and your slanted, untrue and overdramatized take on his PREMIERSHIP are a good indication on your political stripe and therefore their worth.

I never said a single thing that hasn't been in the media. He did order the homeless beaten and arrested when they protested because his policies were killing them. He did tell the OPP to use guns and violence to get the natives out of Ipperwash. He did make massive cuts to healthcare. He did make cuts to education. He did appoint a minister of education that never finished high school.

 

[Harris 4 PM]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

My mistake about the economy, I am not sure how you can make that sort of arguement in any case. Debt is very inflationary, if we had another 8 years of the NDP on the Rae track you can rest assured that it would have exploded.

Harris stopped the massive over spending and stagflation economics of the NDP. He cleaned up the economic situation in Ontario immensely, maybe you forget what happened in the wake of Rae?

About the Harris record: Just because some like minded people like yourself in the media over dramatize spead falsehoods and exaggerate doesn't make it any more right.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

My mistake about the economy, I am not sure how you can make that sort of arguement in any case. Debt is very inflationary, if we had another 8 years of the NDP on the Rae track you can rest assured that it would have exploded.

Harris stopped the massive over spending and stagflation economics of the NDP. He cleaned up the economic situation in Ontario immensely, maybe you forget what happened in the wake of Rae?

About the Harris record: Just because some like minded people like yourself in the media over dramatize spead falsehoods and exaggerate doesn't make it any more right.

You will find that the left finds ways to blame the conservatives for virtually everything, and give them credit for nothing. They think by repeating it over and over again that weak minded and unintelligent people will think it is the truth. I guess they know their audience.

The best thing I heard, was blaming the conservatives for the gun registry. Why? Because the Alliance/Reform did not propose an alternative. Un-friggin-believable!! 8)

 

[Reverend Blair]

Harris stopped the massive over spending and stagflation economics of the NDP. He cleaned up the economic situation in Ontario immensely, maybe you forget what happened in the wake of Rae?

Rae was in power for for four years. One term. It is arguably his spending that kick-started the economy into the boom the Harris enjoyed. At any rate, Rae's policies are not the same as the policies of the present federal NDP. Anybody who tries to draw that comparison knows nothing of NDP policy or history. The present federal NDP policies are most similar to the policies of Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

About the Harris record: Just because some like minded people like yourself in the media over dramatize spead falsehoods and exaggerate doesn't make it any more right.

Sorry, not buying it. Not for a minute. Even Can-West has been critical of Harris' policies in the long run. Don't blame the media for Mikey's mistakes and mismanagement.

 

[no1important]

RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

and restored Ontario as undisputed economic powerhouse in Canada.

You sure? I keep reading on this board it is Alberta that supports us all?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

and restored Ontario as undisputed economic powerhouse in Canada.

You sure? I keep reading on this board it is Alberta that supports us all?

Alberta pays more per capita into Canada than any other province in the country. Thats a fact. Ontario, by virtue of population, is a large part of our economy. Between Alberta and Ontario, most of the bills are paid by both of us.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Dissatisfied with Cho

and restored Ontario as undisputed economic powerhouse in Canada.

You sure? I keep reading on this board it is Alberta that supports us all?

Alberta pays more per capita into Canada than any other province in the country. Thats a fact. Ontario, by virtue of population, is a large part of our economy. Between Alberta and Ontario, most of the bills are paid by both of us.

Wonk, wonk, wonk...

 

[RedFred]

Alberta pays over $3000 per Albertan in excess revenue to the socialists. Yet politically Alberta has no voice. It doesn't matter what the choices are. The ROC will continually protect a system that perpetuates this grand scheme.

 

[peapod]

Is that all you albertians at this board know how to do is whine?? and if your not whining, your bragging, and if your not whining about your money, your bragging about it, and when your not whining and bragging...your licking george bush's shoes. Geez I hope he does think all canadians are like that...even he would be turned off 8O