Despite Supreme Court hate speech ruling, anti-gay activist plans to continue pamphle

[Goober]

What does the Criminal Code say? I keep hearing Charter, Charter, Charter but nothing on the CC. Why 4?

Where is your Charter protecting hate speech now folks?

Whatcott is GUILTY!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2013/02/27/20612176.html
The highest court struck down the section of Saskatchewan's human rights code that defines hate speech as something that "ridicules, belittles or otherwise affronts the dignity" of any person as too broad.

It restricted the legal definition of hatred to "those extreme manifestations of the emotion described by the words 'detestation' and 'vilification'."


In the unanimous ruling, it also upheld in part a human rights tribunal ruling against Whatcott, who distributed flyers in Regina and Saskatoon in 2001 and 2002 calling homosexuals "sodomites" and equating them with child abusers. The court agreed some of those flyers crossed into hate speech and upheld reduced damages of some $7,500 imposed on Whatcott.

No Genocide there

Now if he had amended this to read as follows.
calling homosexuals "sodomites, immoral and against the teaching of God. Would he have been convicted as he had deleted the statement of equating them to child abusers????

 

[petros]

Anti-gay crusader can't distribute flyers: top court- Politics - Canoe.ca
The highest court struck down the section of Saskatchewan's human rights code that defines hate speech as something that "ridicules, belittles or otherwise affronts the dignity" of any person as too broad.

It restricted the legal definition of hatred to "those extreme manifestations of the emotion described by the words 'detestation' and 'vilification'."


In the unanimous ruling, it also upheld in part a human rights tribunal ruling against Whatcott, who distributed flyers in Regina and Saskatoon in 2001 and 2002 calling homosexuals "sodomites" and equating them with child abusers. The court agreed some of those flyers crossed into hate speech and upheld reduced damages of some $7,500 imposed on Whatcott.

No Genocide there

Now if he had amended this to read as follows.
calling homosexuals "sodomites, immoral and against the teaching of God. Would he have been convicted as he had deleted the statement of equating them to child abusers????

Section 319 prescribes penalties from a fine to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years for anyone who incites hatred against any identifiable group.

It's all about INTENT Goobs.

He truly hates gays and lesbians. Whatcott isn't exactly new to the news or street corners in S. SK.

Have you perused any quotes?

Remember the Ahenakew case?

 

[Goober]

Remember the Ahenakew case?

And that he was found Not Guilty

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2009/02/23/ahenakew.html

 

[petros]

They gave him a pass because he was dieing.

Ahenakew was retried in Saskatoon in 2008. In February 2009, Saskatchewan Provincial Court Judge Wilfred Tucker acquitted Ahenakew because his statements, while "revolting, disgusting and untrue" did not show an intent to incite hatred

It shows INTENT is the backbone of the Criminal Code and Charter.

 

[Goober]

They gave him a pass because he was dieing.



It shows INTENT is the backbone of the Criminal Code and Charter.

Choosing self-esteem over freedom of speech | Full Comment | National Post

The Court was silent on the manner by which human rights tribunals stack the deck in favour of the offendee against the alleged offendor. The victim-complainant is given all manner of succor and support from bureaucrats. The “offending” party, on the other hand, is left to bear the time and burdens of hearings and rulings. Often, he must go out and get a lawyer, at his own expense.

Nor did the Court offer any real guidance on why our tradition-tested and tradition-hallowed rights — such as freedom of speech and religion — now must be displaced or diluted in favour of new more politically correct axioms.

Moreover, why does the overbearing modern notion of tolerance seem to involve so much … intolerance?

And why do some Canadian citizens — the “designated groups” we hear so much about in human-rights jurisprudence— now effectively enjoy more rights and more protection than other Canadian citizens? Lady Justice is not blind. She’s now winking at subsets of the population, while pretending to be fair to all.

The man at the centre of this case was Bill Whatcott, a Saskatchewan activist with some rather strong views about homosexuality, which he regards as a sin that threatens Western civilization. This week’s decision effectively is a direct blast at all traditional religious attitudes that offend progressives. Whatcott is free to hold his opinions, we are told, but he can’t try to proselytize them to others. (I await the day that an evangelist complains of being offended by a secular spokesman, and then wins a case. It will be a long wait.)But if the Court’s Justices are guilty of having remained silent on these wider, deeply important issues, they have plenty of company.

 

[petros]

The Charter and the Law are the deck stackers. You have to break warp those two first to get to the SCC.

 

[Goober]

It's all about INTENT Goobs.

He truly hates gays and lesbians. Whatcott isn't exactly new to the news or street corners in S. SK.

Have you perused any quotes?

Remember the Ahenakew case?

I realize that it is intent. I asked for your opiniion on the question posed below.
But he could have done it differently
Now if he had amended this to read as follows.
calling homosexuals "sodomites, immoral and against the teaching of God.
Would he have been convicted as he had deleted the statement of equating them to child abusers????

 

[petros]

Whatcott is free to hold his opinions, we are told, but he can’t try to proselytize them to others.

Because it's truly hate speech. His proselytizing isn't religious based, it's inciting hatred.

Thank goodness gays and lesbians aren't violent like Heebs or Whatcott would need body armour and a kevlar hardhat like that other guy extradicted to Germany because Canada couldn't nail him for true hate speech.

 

[L Gilbert]

Um, personally I think the right to restrict someone's speech trumps the right of free-speech of an author when they use the right of free-speech to promote hatred. This Whatcott must have some sort of clue that this is exactly what his opinions will do. And what's more is that he uses Christianity and people's kids as leverage on people to force his opinion on them. Man, talk about twisting fundamentally good things for evil purposes. The guy is mentally fracked.

I found a little bit of the stuff Whatcott has in his flyers:

" 'It has come to the attention of the Christian Truth Activists that a committee on “Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered issues,” set up by the Saskatoon Public School Board had recommended that information on homosexuality be included in their curriculum and school libraries. The elementary school teacher’s union in Ontario voted this year in favour of this for grades 3 and 4, even though children at this age are more interested in playing Barbie & Ken rather than learning how wonderful it is for two men to sodomize each other. Children in Ontario perform poorly in terms of academics, however, their teachers seem more interested in sexual politics of a perverted type, rather than preparing children to do well when they are older. Now the homosexuals want to share their filth and propaganda with Saskatchewan’s children. They did it in Boston, under the guise of “Safe Schools” and their little sensitivity class degenerated into a filthy session where gay and lesbian teachers used dirty language to describe lesbian sex and sodomy to their teenage audience.

Christian Truth Activists believes that Sodomites and lesbians can be redeemed if they repent and ask Jesus Christ to come into their lives as Lord and Saviour. The Church of Jesus Christ is blessed with many ex-Sodomites and other types of sex addicts who have been able to break free of their sexual bondage and develop wholesome and healthy relationships. We also believe that for sodomites and lesbians who want to remain in their lifestyle and proselytize vulnerable young people that civil law should discriminate against them. In 1968 it was illegal to engage in homosexual acts, now it is almost becoming illegal to question any of their sick desires. Our children will pay the price in disease, death, abuse and ultimately eternal judgment if we do not say no to the sodomite desire to socialize your children into accepting something that is clearly wrong.'

'Break the Silence! Sodomites are 430 times more likely to acquire Aids & 3 times more likely to sexually abuse children!'

'Our acceptance of homosexuality and our toleration of its promotion in our school system will lead to the early death and morbidity of many children.'

'Sincerely: Bill Whatcott, Christian Truth Activists' ”

Some more news:

Anti-gay flyers from Sask. activist Whatcott violated hate law: Supreme Court

More of Whatcott's crap:

Free North America • View topic - 5000 Whatcott flyers bombarding AB & SK University Campuses

https://twitter.com/BillWhatcott

 

[petros]

What does he yell while handing out pamphlets?

 

[Goober]

What does he yell while handing out pamphlets?

I have no idea??? What does he yell. I agree it is Hate Speech but I asked if he changed his terminology, dropped some words would it still be hate speech?

 

[L Gilbert]

Not sure what he spews out loud. I did read some dude's comment at a site (perhaps a blog) where he said his kid answered the door to Whatcott's knock and shortly after, the guy's kid came holding one of the pamphlets and asked him, "Dad, what does "kill the homosexual mean"? The guy looked and that's what was on the pamphlet. Now that may just be flat BS, but I'd really love to see these pamphlets for myself.

 

[SLM]

Not sure what he spews out loud. I did read some dude's comment at a site (perhaps a blog) where he said his kid answered the door to Whatcott's knock and shortly after, the guy's kid came holding one of the pamphlets and asked him, "Dad, what does "kill the homosexual mean"? The guy looked and that's what was on the pamphlet. Now that may just be flat BS, but I'd really love to see these pamphlets for myself.

Now if that's true then it most definitely crosses the line.

 

[L Gilbert]

I have no idea??? What does he yell. I agree it is Hate Speech but I asked if he changed his terminology, dropped some words would it still be hate speech?

I think Whatcott did try pretty hard to at least make his crap ambiguous in the hopes of not being called on hate-speech.
I also noticed that in a couple of his Twitter postings, he sniveled about others using their right to free speech in order to discredit him. Guy's a two-faced jackass on top of being a wingnut.

Now if that's true then it most definitely crosses the line.

Exactly. That's the main reason I'd like to see these pamphlets for myself. Been snooping into it for at least a half hour now trying to find one or more of them.

 

[CDNBear]

What does the Criminal Code say? I keep hearing Charter, Charter, Charter but nothing on the CC. Why 4?

Because the criminal code is clearly wrong.

" 'It has come to the attention of the Christian Truth Activists that a committee on “Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered issues,” set up by the Saskatoon Public School Board had recommended that information on homosexuality be included in their curriculum and school libraries. The elementary school teacher’s union in Ontario voted this year in favour of this for grades 3 and 4, even though children at this age are more interested in playing Barbie & Ken rather than learning how wonderful it is for two men to sodomize each other. Children in Ontario perform poorly in terms of academics, however, their teachers seem more interested in sexual politics of a perverted type, rather than preparing children to do well when they are older. Now the homosexuals want to share their filth and propaganda with Saskatchewan’s children. They did it in Boston, under the guise of “Safe Schools” and their little sensitivity class degenerated into a filthy session where gay and lesbian teachers used dirty language to describe lesbian sex and sodomy to their teenage audience.

Christian Truth Activists believes that Sodomites and lesbians can be redeemed if they repent and ask Jesus Christ to come into their lives as Lord and Saviour. The Church of Jesus Christ is blessed with many ex-Sodomites and other types of sex addicts who have been able to break free of their sexual bondage and develop wholesome and healthy relationships. We also believe that for sodomites and lesbians who want to remain in their lifestyle and proselytize vulnerable young people that civil law should discriminate against them. In 1968 it was illegal to engage in homosexual acts, now it is almost becoming illegal to question any of their sick desires. Our children will pay the price in disease, death, abuse and ultimately eternal judgment if we do not say no to the sodomite desire to socialize your children into accepting something that is clearly wrong.'

That's not hate speech.

 

[L Gilbert]

That's not hate speech.

In your opinion, but that is all that I managed to find. I think it's iffy, too, which is another reason why I'd like to read the rest of the guy's crap.

 

[CDNBear]

In your opinion, but that is all that I managed to find. I think it's iffy, too, which is another reason why I'd like to read the rest of the guy's crap.

If you find anything worse, let me know.

Because that wasn't hate speech.

If it were, no one could ever express a dissenting opinion about anyone or anything.

 

[Goober]

If you find anything worse, let me know.

Because that wasn't hate speech.

If it were, no one could ever express a dissenting opinion about anyone or anything.

Equating them to child abusers is hate speech

 

[CDNBear]

Equating them to child abusers is hate speech

You'll have to point out where he did that in what I quoted.

Other than that, I think teaching children under the age of around 13 about sexual acts (As you would have to, to explain homosexuality) is wrong, and quite frankly bordering on abuse.

But than again, I think forcing children to be devout (Insert religious choice here), is tantamount to child abuse too.

I think the whole "Get them when they're young" mantra that was used to teach younger and younger children about sex and sexuality is misguided.

You can teach children to be open, accepting and tolerant, without exposing them to sexual material.

 

[L Gilbert]

Equating them to child abusers is hate speech

"Sodomites are .... 3 times more likely to sexually abuse children!" Well, it's at least inciting hatred towards them.

If I feel the inclination some time or other I may go through the dipshyte's Twitter and see what else he says. I'd still sonner find his pamphlets and read them, however, as those are what the court issues are all about.

Other than that, I think teaching children under the age of around 13 about sexual acts (As you would have to, to explain homosexuality) is wrong, and quite frankly bordering on abuse.

Where you get the age figure from?