Demjanjuk on the way "home".

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After Supreme Court won't hear appeal, Germany expects suspected Nazi John Demjanjuk on Tuesday
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Monday, May 11th 2009, 8:49 AM

Duncan/AP Suspected Nazi guard John Demjanjuk in Feb. 2005.

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BERLIN - Suspected Nazi guard John Demjanjuk, who has been ordered to surrender to U.S. immigration authorities in Ohio, is expected to be deported to Germany by Tuesday, a German Justice Ministry spokesman said Monday.
Demjanjuk is wanted on a Munich arrest warrant that accuses him of 29,000 counts of accessory to murder at the Nazis' Sobibor death camp. Demjanjuk rejects the allegation, maintaining he was held by the Germans as a Soviet prisoner of war and was never a camp guard.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement served him with a notice Friday asking him to surrender, one day after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal against deportation.
It is now expected that he will arrive in Munich on Tuesday, said Justice Ministry spokesman Ulrich Staudigl.
Once in Germany, Demjanjuk will be brought before a judge and formally charged. He will also be given the opportunity to make a statement to the court, in keeping with normal justice procedure, Staudigl said.
Demjanjuk's family has been battling against the deportation, saying the 89-year-old is in poor health and might not survive the trans-Atlantic journey.
Once in Germany, Demjanjuk is expected to be held in the medical unit of a Munich prison. The government has said that preparations have already been made at the facility to ensure that he will receive the appropriate care.
Demjanjuk was previously tried in Israel after accusations surfaced that he was the notorious Nazi guard "Ivan the Terrible" at the Treblinka death camp in Poland.
He was found guilty in 1988 of war crimes and crimes against humanity but the conviction was later overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.
A U.S. judge revoked his citizenship in 2002 based on U.S. Justice Department evidence showing he concealed his service at Sobibor and other Nazi-run death and forced-labor camps.
An immigration judge ruled in 2005 he could be deported to Germany, Poland or Ukraine. Munich prosecutors issued an arrest warrant for him in March.

 

[L Gilbert]

What next? I suppose they'd be after the janitor of Sobibor for accessory to murder charges if they could find him, too. Then maybe the wife of the janitor for being an accessory to the accessory to murder.

 

[VanIsle]

Isn't this the second thread on this? Is this the KGB man. If he isn't the same man then he should go to the church that is helping the other fellow and stay too. I thought the KGB man was younger. Does this man look like a threat to anyone? Do we have anyone with any brains in this country when it comes to deportation? Man, give me a month or two and I'll rid the country of the un-desireables and let these other poor souls live in peace in this country. They are going to live amongst us. Don't we have some say in the matter? One or two crumbs making such stupid decisions - they should be deported even if they were born here and get someone in those offices with some common sense.

 

[lone wolf]

Was he "notorious" for being cruel, or for having a name that someone could play with?

 

[L Gilbert]

Well there were accusations that he was some guard called "Ivan the Terrible", but I guess nothing was proven.
VI, he's in the US and the US wants to deport him to Germany. He's not Lennikov, the ex-KGB guy.

 

[darkbeaver]

He's one unlucky old man to be hunted like an animal all these years. Oh well what comes arround goes arround. It'll be todays hunters turn to run and hide soon enough I guess. War crimes are serious, plentiful and contemporary. Why do we bother with the near dead suspects of some long forgotten crime or other and ignor completely the young living monsters who move with impunity through our culture conducting genocide where they will?

 

[CDNBear]

This is a travesty of justice, period.

Reasonable doubt was found by an Israeli jury and court of law. If the Heebs couldn't and wouldn't try him again, Germany is just trying to put on a show.

 

[L Gilbert]

He's one unlucky old man to be hunted like an animal all these years. Oh well what comes arround goes arround. It'll be todays hunters turn to run and hide soon enough I guess. War crimes are serious, plentiful and contemporary. Why do we bother with the near dead suspects of some long forgotten crime or other and ignor completely the young living monsters who move with impunity through our culture conducting genocide where they will?

Bad sense of priority.

 

[YukonJack]

"What next? I suppose they'd be after the janitor of Sobibor for accessory to murder charges if they could find him, too. Then maybe the wife of the janitor for being an accessory to the accessory to murder."

Not as outrageous as you might think, L Gilbert.

These ghouls, with unlimited power in courts will keep on doing it until they get it "right". Remember what they did to the Alberta teacher, Keegstra?

 

[lone wolf]

I have to wonder what is worse - someone who may or may not have been a cruel jailer a lifetime ago, or a nation who passes the need for retribution from generation to generation.

 

[darkbeaver]

Bad sense of priority.

A sure sign of insanity aint it? And since we all got it to one degree or another here in the western oasisisis of peace and property that makes it a real case/state of collective insanity we live in, mass movement sideways and down forever, going forward. Is there hope of change? Can we escape our fate? I see oportunity a challenge, a chance for mass human redemption, hold on a minute the phone is ringing......................................................................................................

 

[darkbeaver]

I have to wonder what is worse - someone who may or may not have been a cruel jailer a lifetime ago, or a nation who passes the need for retribution from generation to generation.

Permanently accumulateing human debt. It was my butler the car is coming arround we are going to hold it the doorbell.............................................................................

 

[YukonJack]

"I have to wonder what is worse - someone who may or may not have been a cruel jailer a lifetime ago, or a nation who passes the need for retribution from generation to generation."

Some will never learn one of the basic tenets of being a decent human being: forget and forgive.

 

[CDNBear]

And when unmeasurable cruelty befalls your people, the basic instinct of survival creates slogans like "Never Again".

 

[darkbeaver]

And when unmeasurable cruelty befalls your people, the basic instinct of survival creates slogans like "Never Again".

In this case it would be more than instructive to look for and discover the antiquity of those terms of survival. Cruelty is infectious it never dies it lives within the victims where it waits to hurt again. "Never again" is an idle boast of all victims.

 

[CDNBear]

In this case it would be more than instructive to look for and discover the antiquity of those terms of survival. Cruelty is infectious it never dies it lives within the victims where it waits to hurt again. "Never again" is an idle boast of all victims.

I wouldn't call what we've witnessed over the last 60 years...idle...;-)

 

[YukonJack]

One reads what is happening to this man, what he has gone thru.

No need to wonder why there is anti-Semitism.

 

[CDNBear]

One reads what is happening to this man, what he has gone thru.

No need to wonder why there is anti-Semitism.

Funny you should say that YJ. Especially since the Israelis let him go when their courts found reasonable doubt, and vacated the indictment.

This is present action is being concocted by non Jewish folks from the US and Germany. And since the Israelis have no further need to punish a man they feel is innocent, I don't think we can claim the great big boogieheeb is behind this either...;-)

 

[#juan]

I say again. This man was 19 or 20 years old when the alleged crimes took place. Even the Nazis didn't put kids in charge of prisoners. This story is horsesh it from start to finish.

 

[Colpy]

I say again. This man was 19 or 20 years old when the alleged crimes took place. Even the Nazis didn't put kids in charge of prisoners. This story is horsesh it from start to finish.

Yes, they did.

The story may, or may not be horseradish, but it is very much within the realm of reality.....many nationals volunteered and enthusiastically did their best to out-do their German masters in the elimination of European Jewry.....and the Germans gratefully took them on board.....young or not.

As well, Demjanjuk insists he was in a POW camp in Chelm, Poland for the duration of the war. It was later shown that the camp did not exist at the Demjanjuk claims to have been there. Although Demjanjuk had changed his alibi numerous times, the Chelm story is the one he used most often. It was the one that he settled on during the closing arguments of his trial. To this day, it remains his claim. (from the Nizkor Project)

That said, if the allegations can not be proven to the satisfaction of an Israeli (jewish) justice system.....let it go. I'm with Bear on this one.