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That's ok man. I have so many brain cramps on this forum my eyes have gone crossed.
From what I've read on magnetohydrodynamics so far I can see a person will need more than Ohm's Law to get 'er done.:smile:
But it is a fascinating subject. One that my limited mind can only look at with awe. The more I research it the more I like it. We spend so much of our energy looking outward into space that we sometimes ignore what's happening right under our feet.
You see filaments in that WMAP image? I guess you'll see what you want to see to support your pseudoscience. It's called pariedolia, perceiving structures in randomness. Do you know how tiny the differences between the hottest and coldest spots on that image are?
That's the main trouble with you electric cosmos guys, you rarely put numbers on your claims so people can actually see the details of what you're claiming. When you do, as Donald Scott sometimes does, it's easy to show with fairly elementary physics, as Tom Bridgman does at that link both #juan and I have given you several times now, that they can't possibly be right or there would be other effects that simply aren't detected, and there are effects that *are* detected that shouldn't be. The magnetic field from an electric current energetic enough to power the sun, for instance, would completely overpower the earth's magnetic field, compasses wouldn't work. But they do, so the current can't be there. There would be no electrons in the solar wind if the sun had the billion volt excess positive charge required by the electric cosmos claims. But there are equal numbers of positive and negative charges in the solar wind, so the sun has to be electrically neutral.
I wonder what knowledge Tesla was after when he became interested in Vedic Philosophy? Vedas are ancient texts dating back some 5000 years, written in Sanskrit language and is one of the oldest texts in Hinduism. Tesla was keenly aware of the references to 'aether' in that document and it's part in the powering of the universe. Todays scientists give it a passing acknowledgement as a means of propogating light through the universe but I believe it plays a much more important role in the source, existance and construction of matter. The ancient people from India knew about aether but our scientists dismiss it as a mere curiosity, mainly because they can't explain it. What knowledge is contained in the Vedas and how do we apply that knowledge to our understanding of science today?
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif] [/FONT]An image of the Aurora Borealis from the space shuttle Atlantis (STS-117)
Magnetic Breaches
Jun 30, 2009
Astrophysicists are often surprised by observations because their theories are inadequate to explain them.
NASA launched the Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions during Substorms (THEMIS) mission on February 17, 2007. The spacecraft continues to monitor Earth's magnetosphere so that planetary scientists can figure out how intense ion storms are created. It is important to understand these explosive outbursts in our planet's magnetic field, because they disrupt communications, overload electrical transmission lines, and cause radiation emissions that can reach the ground.
According to conventional theory, when the magnetosphere "suddenly releases vast amounts of stored solar wind energy," the aurora becomes widespread, intense, more disturbed, and charged particles (electric currents) flow at higher energies. These so-called "substorms" begin in small regions of the magnetosphere but enlarge within minutes, enveloping an immense area. Full-blown magnetic storms are rare, but smaller substorms in the polar regions are more frequent, sometimes hours apart.
Recently, NASA researchers announced that THEMIS discovered a "breach" in Earth's magnetic field larger than anything seen before. Project scientist David Sibeck said: "At first I didn't believe it. This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."
A strong magnetic disturbance is usually observed when a bright aurora is seen. The field can be greater than that from a magnetic storm but on a local scale, fading more quickly toward the equator. In 1903, Kristian Birkeland's observ
Magnetic BreachesAccording to conventional theory, when the magnetosphere "suddenly releases vast amounts of stored solar wind energy," the aurora becomes widespread, intense, more disturbed, and charged particles (electric currents) flow at higher energies. These so-called "substorms" begin in small regions of the magnetosphere but enlarge within minutes, enveloping an immense area. Full-blown magnetic storms are rare, but smaller substorms in the polar regions are more frequent, sometimes hours apart.
Recently, NASA researchers announced that THEMIS discovered a "breach" in Earth's magnetic field larger than anything seen before. Project scientist David Sibeck said: "At first I didn't believe it. This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."
A strong magnetic disturbance is usually observed when a bright aurora is seen. The field can be greater than that from a magnetic storm but on a local scale, fading more quickly toward the equator. In 1903, Kristian Birkeland's observ
If you can't manipulate your numbers well enough to support the interpretation of the observations is it my fault?
Electric Gravity in an Electric Universe
Einstein in his special theory of relativity postulated there was no medium, called the ‘aether.’ But Maxwell’s theory of electromagnetism requires it. And Sir Oliver Lodge saw the aether as crucial to our understanding. So Einstein, at a stroke, removed any possibility that he, or his followers, would find a link between electromagnetism and gravity. It served the egos of his followers to consecrate Einstein’s ideas and treat dissent as blasphemy. “Sometimes a concept is baffling not because it is profound but because it's wrong.”[9,10]
Decades later, Paul R. Heyl wrote in Scientific Monthly, May 1954:
“The more we study gravitation, the more there grows upon us the feeling that there is something peculiarly fundamental about this phenomenon to a degree that is unequalled among other natural phenomena. Its independence of the factors that affect other phenomena and its dependence only upon mass and distance suggest that its roots avoid things superficial and go down deep into the unseen, to the very essence of matter and space.” —Gravitation: Still A Mystery.
This sentiment has been echoed down to the present but few are listening. The problem has been worsened by the particle physicists who indulge in their own virtual reality — inventing “virtual particles” to transmit forces. If they “could understand the structure of the particle, in terms of the medium of which it is composed” and put flesh on the metaphysical bones of quantum theory we should be much further advanced. Sir Oliver Lodge deserves to be heard once more:
“..it may be that when the structure of an electron is understood, we shall see that an ‘even-powered’ stress in the surrounding aether is necessarily involved. What I do feel instinctively is that this is the direction for discovery, and what is needed is something internal and intrinsic, and that all attempts to explain gravitation as due to the action of some external agency, whether flying particles or impinging waves, are doomed to failure; for all these speculations regard the atom as a foreign substance -- a sort of ‘grit’ in the aether -- driven hither and thither by forces alien to itself. When, some day, we understand the real relation between matter and aether, I venture to predict that we shall perceive something more satisfying than that.”
Einstein in his special theory of relativity postulated there was no medium, called the ‘aether.’ But Maxwell’s theory of electromagnetism requires it. And Sir Oliver Lodge saw the aether as crucial to our understanding. So Einstein, at a stroke, removed any possibility that he, or his followers, would find a link between electromagnetism and gravity. It served the egos of his followers to consecrate Einstein’s ideas and treat dissent as blasphemy. “Sometimes a concept is baffling not because it is profound but because it's wrong.”[9,10]
Decades later, Paul R. Heyl wrote in Scientific Monthly, May 1954:
“The more we study gravitation, the more there grows upon us the feeling that there is something peculiarly fundamental about this phenomenon to a degree that is unequalled among other natural phenomena. Its independence of the factors that affect other phenomena and its dependence only upon mass and distance suggest that its roots avoid things superficial and go down deep into the unseen, to the very essence of matter and space.” —Gravitation: Still A Mystery.
This sentiment has been echoed down to the present but few are listening. The problem has been worsened by the particle physicists who indulge in their own virtual reality — inventing “virtual particles” to transmit forces. If they “could understand the structure of the particle, in terms of the medium of which it is composed” and put flesh on the metaphysical bones of quantum theory we should be much further advanced. Sir Oliver Lodge deserves to be heard once more:
“..it may be that when the structure of an electron is understood, we shall see that an ‘even-powered’ stress in the surrounding aether is necessarily involved. What I do feel instinctively is that this is the direction for discovery, and what is needed is something internal and intrinsic, and that all attempts to explain gravitation as due to the action of some external agency, whether flying particles or impinging waves, are doomed to failure; for all these speculations regard the atom as a foreign substance -- a sort of ‘grit’ in the aether -- driven hither and thither by forces alien to itself. When, some day, we understand the real relation between matter and aether, I venture to predict that we shall perceive something more satisfying than that.”
If we find the answer to this phenomenon we may find ourselves closer to 'god'. But maybe not. Uncovering the aether will most likely open another round of unanswered questions.
Yup.
Atomic theory is an ancient science. The earliest record of it can be found in Vedic texts from india which are many thousands of years old.
Legend has it that the Vedic civilisation was highly advanced. The sages that oversaw its development, through their mystic insight and deep meditation, discovered the ancient symbols of spirituality: Aumkara and Swastika. They also discovered many scientific principles that they applied to develop a highly advanced technology. They gave the atom its sanskrit name "Anu".
While the technical achievements of this ancient civilisation have been forgotten the archetypal symbols of spirituality have maintained their eminence in our consciousness. Now, thanks to advances in modern atomic theory, the atomic basis of these divine symbols can be appreciated.
Western theories of the atom took shape in the 18th and 19th century. At the beginning of the 19th century, John Dalton theorised that an atom was an indivisible particle of an element. However, after the electron was discovered in 1897, and then the proton several years later, the atom model was revised. In 1909, Ernest Rutherford showed that atoms were mostly empty space, revising the model of an atom to a tight positive nucleus containing the protons and neutrons with electrons around it; by 1913, Danish physicist Neils Bohr envisioned a planetary arrangement in which the electrons orbited the nucleus at different energy levels.
The current way of describing an electron is a model called the charge cloud model/quantum mechanical model/orbital model. This model based on the idea of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which states that we do not know the precise location or the velocity of any given electron. The model uses indistinct and overlapping "probability clouds" to approximate the position of an electron.
Where a cloud is dense, the probability of finding an electron in that vicinity is low. In this model, each electron energy level is denoted by numbers that take concentric shells as suggested by the Bohr model because there are overlaps in the ordering of the energy levels.
In the case of the carbon atom the electrons occupy four tear drop shaped clouds in a tetrahedron-like arrangement. These clouds represent the areas in which the electrons spend most of their time. They move so rapidly in this zone that they form a cloud rather than a specific flight path
Recently a number of researchers have suggested that within these clouds exist specific zones that the electrons favour. These zones form a spiral around the surface of each of the tear drop shaped clouds.
This new development came into the attention of a great Indian saint and mystic. Disciples were encouraged to develop the principle as it related to the carbon atom.In deep meditation one of those disciples, who was a chemist,spontaneously realised the true significance of this theory:
The electron's high probability zone formed spiral standing waves around the carbon atom's nucleus. When this configuration was viewed from certain angles the physicist was surprised to find that the spirals formed recognisable symbols.
In the first view a 3–dimensional Aumkara could be seen. From a different angle that Aumkara became a flat, 2-dimensional Swastika. The Swastika, he concluded, was actually 2-D representation of the 3-D aumkara.
Rotating the model to another angle shows those symbols change into the Greek Alpha and Omega. At a cosmic level the symbols of Eastern spirituality (Aumkara and Swastika) are literally and only different aspects of the same spiritual truth that is also represented by the symbols of Western spirituality (Alpha and Omega).
All people, objects and even energy itself are expressions of the same divinity that so many religions, cultures and philosophies have tried to claim exclusively as their own.
The Carbon atom, by containing within it these universal symbols, demonstrates that matter is a manifestation of the same Divine consciousness experienced by the saints and sages of all history. Matter is innately spiritual.
The Universe does not exist separately from the Universal Consciousness; it is a direct expression of it.
Living matter, which is carbon based, must have a unique role in this expression. A saint is one who lives in eternal experience of this all pervading divine purpose.
All people, objects and even energy itself are expressions of the same divinity
The alpha and omega are traditionally ascribed to Christ. In india the Deity called Ganesha presides over the Swastika and Aumkara.
There are some remarkable similarities between the two:
Both deities demonstrate the value of childlike innocence; Ganesha is himself an eternal child famous for his simple wisdom ;while Christ, son of god, often exhorted his disciples to "be as little children";
They both are divine children; both conceived immaculately;, both divine sons of a holy trinity (Christ is the son of Yahweh and The Holy Spirit/Mary and Ganesha son of Lord Shiva and Mother Parvati).
Are Ganesha and Christ the one and the same deity?
Each, like their symbols that exist as different aspects of the carbon atom, represent different aspects of the archetypal cosmic child.
Thus the distinction between Eastern and Western spirituality, like any division based on race,culture or belief, is no more than ignorance of the true spiritual nature of the universe and all that exists within it.
I am more familiar with Bohr's model. Although it looks rather simplistic alongside the Aumkara and the Swastika.
I just discovered the Pythagorean Theorem, which dates back to c. 500 B.C.E was used in India over 500 years earlier! They had a system of mathematics that was largely overlooked by the western world. Figures.
Vedic Mathematics and the Spiritual Dimension
I just discovered the Pythagorean Theorem, which dates back to c. 500 B.C.E was used in India over 500 years earlier! They had a system of mathematics that was largely overlooked by the western world. Figures.
Vedic Mathematics and the Spiritual Dimension
Neat site MT. You mentioned further questions as a result of pursuit of the aether. They will be better questions which get better answers which beget even better questions which birth even more satisfying answers which again initiate another round of inquiry which ---you get the picture. An infinite universe has infinite questions, there'll be no sleep for the curious eh. I don't know what the ratio of questions to answers is but say one good answer spawns ten or twenty or a hundred really good questions and even if we could stop the wheel in a place this big (infinite) there would still be no completeing the questions so it's motions change the answers and questions with every degree of travel for ever. We are just little tiny specks of dust with enormous egos to think we will ever ask all the questions eh. In the dirty thirtys the ship of science has had the hands of the money crubbers at the wheel steering it away from answers by funding asinine questions. He who owns the mouth who asks the questions gets the answer he has paid for maybe. I'm a conspiracy nut though so there's very little chance I'm right eh.
Nice take on the massive size of the task before us. But we will persevere or die trying.
As for the money grubbers, we'll meet them in hell.
As for the money grubbers, we'll meet them in hell.
I believe we are hardwired to always be searching for answers to the unknown. To accept that we are hurtling through the universe at incredible speeds and the whole thing is held together by some unseen god and we are expected to take this all on faith...is just folly. It is our inate nature to always ask questions. One day the answers will be revealed.
Great documentary last night on Discovery about the manned trip to Mars. Radiation is the biggest problem. They are working on a system where the capsule is enclosed in a magnet, effectively 'bouncing' the charged particles from the solar flares away from the capsule, much like the earth does naturally. Radiation has always been one of the major concerns for NASA. The charged particles enter the body and sever your DNA. The body tries to repair the DNA strands but it cannot. Eventually the damaged area becomes cancerous. Once they get a handle on radiation protection they should be well on their way to the Mars mission.
Great documentary last night on Discovery about the manned trip to Mars. Radiation is the biggest problem. They are working on a system where the capsule is enclosed in a magnet, effectively 'bouncing' the charged particles from the solar flares away from the capsule, much like the earth does naturally. Radiation has always been one of the major concerns for NASA. The charged particles enter the body and sever your DNA. The body tries to repair the DNA strands but it cannot. Eventually the damaged area becomes cancerous. Once they get a handle on radiation protection they should be well on their way to the Mars mission.
Yeah I read a little on the radiation sleeve research. Greenfish though introduced the subject of the transhuman a few posts back. I think we'll find it more efficient to go that way, possibly spliceing the cockroaches anti-radiation attributes to our on gene pack.
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Transhumanism Has Arrived
Science Daily: Real-time Control Of Wheelchair With Brain Waves.
Transhumanism Has Arrived
Science Daily: Real-time Control Of Wheelchair With Brain Waves.
ScienceDaily (June 29, 2009) — Japan's BSI-TOYOTA Collaboration Center has successfully developed a system that controls a wheelchair using brain waves in as little as 125 milliseconds.
BTCC was established in 2007 by RIKEN, an independent Japanese research institution, as a collaborative project with Toyota Motor Corporation, Toyota Central R&D Labs, Inc., and Genesis Research Institute, Inc. Also collaborating in the research were Andrzej Cichocki, Unit Leader, and Kyuwan Choi, Research Scientist, of BTCC's Noninvasive BMI Unit.
Recently technological developments in the area of brain machine interface (BMI) have received much attention. Such systems allow elderly or handicapped people to interact with the world through signals from their brains, without having to give voice commands.
Posted by OilIsMasteryBTCC was established in 2007 by RIKEN, an independent Japanese research institution, as a collaborative project with Toyota Motor Corporation, Toyota Central R&D Labs, Inc., and Genesis Research Institute, Inc. Also collaborating in the research were Andrzej Cichocki, Unit Leader, and Kyuwan Choi, Research Scientist, of BTCC's Noninvasive BMI Unit.
Recently technological developments in the area of brain machine interface (BMI) have received much attention. Such systems allow elderly or handicapped people to interact with the world through signals from their brains, without having to give voice commands.
WMAP troubles
The latest alternative cosmology newsletter (http://www.cosmology.info/newsletter/2009.06.pdf) contains a link to a paper called > Observation number correlation in WMAP data By Ti-Pei Li et al. Link to paper.
Here is the full quote from the newsletter about this new WMAP study:
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WMAP catastrophe
This month, we’ve chosen to highlight a paper that is causing a stir in cosmology. Serious doubt is cast upon the validity of the entire body of WMAP anal
Thornhill wrote:If Arp and others are right and the Big Bang is dead, what does the Cosmic Microwave Background signify?
The simplest answer, from the highly successful field of plasma cosmology, is that it represents the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in interstellar plasma local to the Sun. Radio astronomers have mapped the interstellar hydrogen filaments by using longer wavelength receivers. The dense thicket formed by those filaments produces a perfect fog of microwave radiation—as if we were located inside a microwave oven. Instead of the Cosmic Microwave Background, it is the Interstellar Microwave Background. That makes sense of the fact that the CMB is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the universe. We cannot "see" them through the local microwave fog.
"The following study gives evidence of the CMB coming from the Sun's heliosheath: "
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0902.0181v1
Shuttle fuels up for 6th launch try
Hate to say it ...But maybe this trip wasn't ment to be, quite yet...6 times lucky ?...maybe Better to wait for 7...Ah just numbers! ..Space scientists/astronauts aren't supersticious ...Are they?...
Anyway ..Good luck ..Julie Payette Say "Hey" to Mr.Thirsk for us here on Earth .....Be sure Congratulate him on his award .Whenever you get there...Thanks
Canadian astronaut accepts degree… from space : Macleans OnCampus
Hate to say it ...But maybe this trip wasn't ment to be, quite yet...6 times lucky ?...maybe Better to wait for 7...Ah just numbers! ..Space scientists/astronauts aren't supersticious ...Are they?...
Anyway ..Good luck ..Julie Payette Say "Hey" to Mr.Thirsk for us here on Earth .....Be sure Congratulate him on his award .Whenever you get there...Thanks
Canadian astronaut accepts degree… from space : Macleans OnCampus
Space shuttle Endeavour blasts off for space station..Apparently No superstitions in Space ..Good to know ...It's all sceince......
Great read dark Beaver and My pockets 1000 ..Lots of interesting stuff...
Back ground radiation...Could it be the Calming after a perfect storm..The waves cancelling each other out becoming ripples ..Chemical clashs of charged particles Particles frozen in space and time in the endless current of infinity?......Cool stuff to ponder for sure..Never get tired of all the turbulance of odds /probababilities ..the countless possiblities....Is Awsome!..
magnetohydrodynamics - That's great science ..Just watched a show last night on deep Sea exploration..Still Many depths hear on Earth yet to be explored .
The Hydrological Cycle
Hydrology - MSN Encarta
Edge of Discovery - Special Reports from CNN.com
Charging gadget redefines power-walking | Green Tech - CNET News
Best place to test that space suit of the future is underwater... Perhaps one that can use kinetic energy in technology to stay under water or in space for longer periods of time....
Robots/smart probes are still the most likely first choice for initial deep space exploration.....
...Great read dark Beaver and My pockets 1000 ..Lots of interesting stuff...
Back ground radiation...Could it be the Calming after a perfect storm..The waves cancelling each other out becoming ripples ..Chemical clashs of charged particles Particles frozen in space and time in the endless current of infinity?...
...Cool stuff to ponder for sure..Never get tired of all the turbulance of odds /probababilities ..the countless possiblities....Is Awsome!..magnetohydrodynamics - That's great science ..Just watched a show last night on deep Sea exploration..Still Many depths hear on Earth yet to be explored .
The Hydrological Cycle
Hydrology - MSN Encarta
Edge of Discovery - Special Reports from CNN.com
Charging gadget redefines power-walking | Green Tech - CNET News
Best place to test that space suit of the future is underwater... Perhaps one that can use kinetic energy in technology to stay under water or in space for longer periods of time....
Robots/smart probes are still the most likely first choice for initial deep space exploration.....