Death knell for AGW

Tonington

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:lol: Yeah right. A list of papers that includes 'solar' keyword more like it. How does this paper (the third on the list) demonstrate that the sun controls climate and not man-made CO2?
Observational data indicate a weakening and poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets in the maximum phase of the 11 year solar cycle, commonly explained in terms of a direct “top-down” propagation of solar signals from the stratosphere to the troposphere. We here demonstrate possible linkages to oceanic variability, instead. The observed response of the jets is qualitatively and quantitatively reproduced in an ensemble of simulations with a global model forced only at the lower boundary by the observed sea surface temperatures and sea ice concentrations, while keeping solar cycle forcing constant. The twentieth century reanalysis, in which only surface observations are assimilated, is characterized by a similar shift of the jets. These findings suggest that changes at the ocean surface could contribute considerably to the poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets, although a top-down influence on the oceans and hence indirectly on the jets cannot be excluded.​

The paper didn't evaluate carbon dioxide at all, and even worse for whomever put together the list, this paper is actually suggesting that any correlations between solar cycle maxima and weakening jetstreams is actually explained by ocean variability.

Science comprehension fail from the Hockey Schtick. :lol:

Too funny
 

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:lol: Yeah right. A list of papers that includes 'solar' keyword more like it. How does this paper (the third on the list) demonstrate that the sun controls climate and not man-made CO2?
Observational data indicate a weakening and poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets in the maximum phase of the 11 year solar cycle, commonly explained in terms of a direct “top-down” propagation of solar signals from the stratosphere to the troposphere. We here demonstrate possible linkages to oceanic variability, instead. The observed response of the jets is qualitatively and quantitatively reproduced in an ensemble of simulations with a global model forced only at the lower boundary by the observed sea surface temperatures and sea ice concentrations, while keeping solar cycle forcing constant. The twentieth century reanalysis, in which only surface observations are assimilated, is characterized by a similar shift of the jets. These findings suggest that changes at the ocean surface could contribute considerably to the poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets, although a top-down influence on the oceans and hence indirectly on the jets cannot be excluded.​
The paper didn't evaluate carbon dioxide at all, and even worse for whomever put together the list, this paper is actually suggesting that any correlations between solar cycle maxima and weakening jetstreams is actually explained by ocean variability.

Science comprehension fail from the Hockey Schtick. :lol:

Too funny
Sand Head Bury
 

Tonington

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The point is the papers on that list don't support what the author claims. That's called being skeptical. Maybe I'm unconventional, I actually go to the source instead of trusting anonymous bloggers to be accurate in their assertions of what the papers they cite actually support. I figured most people would be able to understand that...
 

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:lol: Yeah right. A list of papers that includes 'solar' keyword more like it. How does this paper (the third on the list) demonstrate that the sun controls climate and not man-made CO2?
Observational data indicate a weakening and poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets in the maximum phase of the 11 year solar cycle, commonly explained in terms of a direct “top-down” propagation of solar signals from the stratosphere to the troposphere. We here demonstrate possible linkages to oceanic variability, instead. The observed response of the jets is qualitatively and quantitatively reproduced in an ensemble of simulations with a global model forced only at the lower boundary by the observed sea surface temperatures and sea ice concentrations, while keeping solar cycle forcing constant. The twentieth century reanalysis, in which only surface observations are assimilated, is characterized by a similar shift of the jets. These findings suggest that changes at the ocean surface could contribute considerably to the poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets, although a top-down influence on the oceans and hence indirectly on the jets cannot be excluded.
The paper didn't evaluate carbon dioxide at all, and even worse for whomever put together the list, this paper is actually suggesting that any correlations between solar cycle maxima and weakening jetstreams is actually explained by ocean variability.

Science comprehension fail from the Hockey Schtick. :lol:

Too funny
The oceans control climate not CO2
 

petros

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Wrong. Both, and more, control climate.
Malarkey. Solar and hydro are the masters of our climatic domain. Even water vapour, pyroclasts, smoke and dust (suspended particulates) rank higher up the chain than CO2.

Considering we're at the end of the interglacial period I highly recommend you get a wind or solar powered snow blower and a kick *** parka. Marks has some really good parkas (Dakota) for $259. If I were you I get a pair of bibbed pants, mitts, an ushanka, goggles and Sorels to go with the ensemble.

Other than bitch and whine what have you done to improve air quality?

Did you do what I did and buy a gas range, dryer, geothermal heating/cooling, ego boost vehicles, reno the house and insulate to R20 with U 0.35 windows, plant a kick *** garden, eat mainly bush meat and spend, $1.3 Million to make your business state of the art giving it the ability to sequester 11136t of CO2 annually with an input of 938t of CO2 from the tier 4A equipment?

What have you done? Bought a Prius and carry a coffee mug and water bottle?

Observational data indicate a weakening and poleward shift of the subtropical tropospheric jets in the maximum phase of the 11 year solar cycle, commonly explained in terms of a direct “top-down” propagation of solar signals from the stratosphere to the troposphere.
That is the work of the magnetic pole movement and weakening of the magnetosphere. Look it up for f*ck sakes. It's reality.
 
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If the sun is the only controller of climate, why isn't the Earth close to absolute zero at night? Riddle me that, Einstein. :lol:

I never knew that there was only one variable in the equation.... You ought to contact the IPCC and let 'em know that their climate models are too complex and that's why each and every one of them has failed
 

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I was supposed to be pulling in 5 bucks an acre in carbon credits to offset the high cost of air drills and the Tier4 A tractor, combine and sprayer. $35,000 a year is now coming out of pocket to cover the lies.
 

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Malarkey. Solar and hydro are the masters of our climatic domain. Even water vapour, pyroclasts, smoke and dust (suspended particulates) rank higher up the chain than CO2.

According to you? Tell me what's the relative change in each of those forcings over the past century, then we can haggle about what amongst your claims is malarkey.

Like the sun?

Yes... like the sun. If you make a list of all the factors controlling climate, it's pretty long. If you make a list of the causes of our current climate change, it's a much shorter list.
 

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I wonder what that list of causation looked like over the last number of glaciation periods.

Would be an interesting comparison, non?

It is interesting indeed, and more than that it's necessary. It's quite different from today, but these past periods are one part of where climate sensitivity estimates come from.
 

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Seeing that there were no anthropogenic 'forcings' throughout many/most of these cyclical glaciation events, I find it disingenuous (if not anthro-arrogant) to presume that we, as humanity, have any tangible impact whatsoever