Dear President Bush; about that "goddamned piece of pap

Alberta'sfinest

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I'm not to suprised, he swore an oath on the Bible, but then he flashes devil horns, which is a satanic sign no matter how you spin it. Not just him either, his wife, and cheney have both been photo'd making the same gesture. My guessing is that satanists don't have to much respect for the bible, or anything that is considered sacred.
 

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Well jimmy moyer I have new found respect for you :p Not that you agree with everything written here, who does, but at least you can see that bush is not fit hold the office of president of the united states. Thats the only butter yur getting from me. :?
 

Jo Canadian

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Well the tension between rights and security is hard to balance. I have a particular gripe against our own spooks (known as CSIS), since the one time they've been involved in anything remotely resembling a real threat, the Air India bombing,:


When I hear Anne McLellan prattle on about terrorist threats and the honchos at CSIS saying they need more money to make us safer, it's just bureacrats trying to justify their pointless existence...

Between their support for white supremacist groups in order to obtain funding to fight them, to the whitewashing of Maher Arar's deprotation, it seems the only thing CSIS defends is their own collective ass.

I'm guessing the CIA and the FBI are the same. It's well-documented that in the '60s, agents provocateurs [/i ]who had infiltrated groups like the Black Panthers egged these groups on to acts of greater violence than they were prepared to perform without this influence.

In a 2003 report, CSIS declared a whole host of anti-war and anti-globalization groups as potential threats (inexplicably not including Tamil Tiger-related organizations).

But it seems that our southern neighbours have military intelligence spying on Quakers:

WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.


The Pentagon IS spying on Americans

Is this more of Dubya using the Constitution in place of Cottonelle?
 

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summer please come in my new topic!!!!!
 

Calberty

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Definition of a Canadian:

Someone obsessed with the United States
 

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pastafarian said:
Between their support for white supremacist groups in order to obtain funding to fight them, to the whitewashing of Maher Arar's deprotation, it seems the only thing CSIS defends is their own collective ass.

I'm guessing the CIA and the FBI are the same. It's well-documented that in the '60s, agents provocateurs [/i ]who had infiltrated groups like the Black Panthers egged these groups on to acts of greater violence than they were prepared to perform without this influence.

In a 2003 report, CSIS declared a whole host of anti-war and anti-globalization groups as potential threats (inexplicably not including Tamil Tiger-related organizations).



Couldn't agree more with most of this post.

However, it is far from inexplicable that the Liberals have not banned the LTTE (Tamil Tigers). There are 100,000+ Tamils in Toronto. Guess how they vote?

Now the Tigers are supplying the Taliban and al Qiada with arms. No ban in Canada forthcoming.

Paul Martin is scary. Very, very scary.
 

Jo Canadian

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Calberty said:
Definition of a Canadian:

Someone obsessed with the United States

Methinks you should look up that Elephant sleeping with a mouse metaphor. It does explain why we do have to pay attention down south.

However I think the difference is that Canadians in general are more aware of world events and happenings* rather than just being aware of the states below us. Whereas down south, the population in general don't really care what's beyond their own borders. To them Interest from another nation may seem obsessive in comparison.


*besides disasters
 

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Dec 21, 2005, 05:23


Franz Kafka and George Orwell would have gotten a grim laugh out of President Bush's radio address on Saturday, in which the president assured the nation that he had ordered Americans to be spied on, in direct defiance of a federal law that specifically prohibits such spying, because he is dedicated to protecting our "civil liberties."

Bush's executive order, which he has renewed more than 30 times in the past four years, violates the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The FISA, which was passed by Congress after Richard Nixon used the nation's intelligence services to spy on his political enemies, requires the government to get a warrant from a special court, the FISC, before it can use shadowy organizations such as the National Security Agency to spy on Americans. The evidentiary standards for obtaining such warrants are low, and indeed the government has an almost unbroken record of success before the FISC.

Furthermore, the FISA provides that in appropriate circumstances the government can proceed with surveillance immediately, as long as it obtains a warrant within 72 hours after the spying begins. In his radio address, Bush claimed he had only authorized spying "to intercept the communications of people with known links to Al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations." If this is true, it's difficult to imagine an FISC court refusing to grant a warrant. And of course it's easy to imagine what sort of spying a president might want to order that wouldn't be approved by a court.

According to the New York Times, approximately 500 people are being spied on at any one time under what was known within the White House as "the president's program." Since people move on and off the list it's possible that thousands of Americans have been spied on by the Bush administration since the program began.

Bush, of course, insists that what he's doing isn't illegal. Yet neither he nor anyone else in the government has explained where he gets the authority to ignore a federal statute. The reason is simple: either he has no such authority, or that authority comes from an extraordinarily expansive interpretation of the president's constitutional powers.

That interpretation can be found in various memos and legal briefs authored by administration officials. For example, these officials have argued that, in least of time of war, the Constitution "vests in the President an unenumerated Executive power. The Commander in Chief power and the President's obligation to protect the Nation imply the ancillary powers necessary to their successful exercise."

Translation: when we are at war _ or to be precise, when the president says we are at war _ the Constitution allows the president to ignore any law that in his opinion interferes with the war effort. (Incredibly, the administration is arguing that the congressional resolution passed immediately after 9/11 authorizing military action against Al Qaeda confirmed this supposed presidential power to disregard inconvenient laws.) War makes the president's executive power unlimited, and not subject to any check or balance from either Congress or the courts. If he orders that Americans be spied on in defiance of federal law, and then assures us that the surveillance targets all have clear links to terrorist groups and that none of them are, for instance, merely ordinary dissidents or his political enemies, then we have no choice but to believe him.

War, in other words, transforms the United States from a constitutional republic into something rather different. All of this, naturally, is for our own good. If we wish to be "safe" then we must trust our president to wield his executive powers without meddlesome interference from judges or legislatures. Or, to echo a famous phrase from another undeclared war, sometimes it's necessary to destroy the Constitution in order to save it.

Bush's Orwellian America

by the complicit silence of the US population........one has to assume they want it that way. The media is complicit too. The momentum is there. Hope they are happy with this new and "improved" amerika.