Cult leader and serial killer Charles Manson dead at 83
Mass murderer Charles Manson has died - Business Insider
Rest in Hell.. ya rotten bastard
Mass murderer Charles Manson has died - Business Insider
Rest in Hell.. ya rotten bastard
Cult leader and serial killer Charles Manson dead at 83
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Charles Manson was sentenced to 9 life sentences for orchestrating 7 gruesome murders with his cult 'family.
Just keeping the facts straight.
So he didn't actually kill anyone himself.
If it wasn't for HATERS - his simple "pink hat like" HATER followers, he likely never had the guts to do the violence he preached himself.
Just keeping the facts straight.
So he didn't actually kill anyone himself.
If it wasn't for HATERS - his simple "pink hat like" HATER followers, he likely never had the guts to do the violence he preached himself.
Charles Manson was sentenced to 9 life sentences for orchestrating 7 gruesome murders with his cult 'family.
Just keeping the facts straight.
So he didn't actually kill anyone himself.
If it wasn't for HATERS - his simple "pink hat like" HATER followers, he likely never had the guts to do the violence he preached himself.
I guess we should revive him so he can serve his second life sentence.
Charles Manson's grandson wins bizarre battle over his corpse
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March 12, 2018
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March 12, 2018 10:34 PM EDT
This Aug. 14, 2017, file photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation shows Charles Manson. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Jason Freeman of Florida can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif.Uncredited / AP
LOS ANGELES — A grandson of cult leader Charles Manson won the bizarre California court battle Monday over the killer’s body.
Kern County Superior Court Commissioner Alisa Knight ruled that Jason Freeman can retrieve Manson’s remains, which have been on ice in the Bakersfield morgue since he died in November.
Freeman didn’t immediately comment but previously said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest “this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn’t have been blown up as big as it was for all these years.”
Manson died in a hospital in Bakersfield while serving a life sentence for orchestrating the 1969 killings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others. He was 83.
The fight over his corpse devolved into a circus of sorts with friends filing competing wills purportedly signed by the infamous inmate while kin began to come out of the woodwork to also stake a claim to the killer’s body and an estate that could include lucrative rights to songs Manson wrote or to license his image and other material.
In this Jan. 8, 2018, file photo, Michael Channels speaks to reporters after a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court in Los Angeles. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Jason Freeman of Florida can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif. Channels had also sought to claim Manson’s body.
While the decision clears the way for Manson to be cremated or buried, the battle for the body foreshadows what lies ahead as the same competing camps wrestle for control of the estate.
The case in Kern County was brought by the coroner’s office, which said it wanted to quickly resolve the matter because bodies were piling up at the morgue from the methamphetamine and opioid epidemics.
The three-way fight for the body was between Freeman, Michael Brunner, a man who said he was fathered by Manson, and Michael Channels, a pen pal who collected and sold Manson memorabilia and filed what he said was the cult leader’s will.
The three all tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of the competing claims and Freeman largely won out because of deficiencies with the other petitions.
Knight said the will submitted by Channels was problematic, in part, because he was one of the two witnesses while also sole beneficiary. It was also ambiguous about what would be done with Manson’s body other than for Channels to use his judgment as executor.
“All I wanted to do was take the dude’s ashes and dump them in the desert where he wanted,” said Channels, who said he was more upset that Freeman prevailed over Brunner, who he believes is Manson’s legitimate son. “I’m irate. That Jason Freeman, he just pulled the wool over the whole system’s eyes.”
In this Jan. 26, 2018, file photo, Jason Freeman, Charles Manson’s purported grandson, speaks to reporters outside court in Los Angeles. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Freeman can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif.
Brunner’s mother was an early member of the so-called Manson family and he was fathered by the cult leader, according to his birth certificate, though it misspelled Manson’s middle name. Knight said Brunner had shown evidence he was fathered by Manson, but he lost his right to be deemed an heir because he was adopted by his maternal grandparents.
Freeman, a former professional mixed martial arts fighter from Florida, is the son of the late Charles Manson Jr., who was the child of Manson and his first wife. Charles Manson Jr. changed his name to Charles Jay White and later killed himself.
Although some raised questions about whether Freeman was really Manson’s grandson, Knight determined he was “the surviving competent adult next of kin.”
Another purported son, Matthew Lentz, who claims he was fathered by Manson during a Wisconsin orgy, supported Brunner’s petition. He is named as the sole beneficiary in a 2017 will that Manson apparently signed and sent to Ben Gurecki, another friend and memorabilia collector, who is named as executor.
Knight noted that the will did not appear to be properly executed and that Lentz forfeited his claims as an heir because he was also adopted.
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Most of the people vying for the body have said they would cremate it, though Freeman’s attorney balked at that suggestion when Deputy Kern County Counsel Bryan Walters suggested at hearing last week that the coroner could cremate the body and allow the parties to continue their court fight over the ashes.
Some adversaries have suggested others want to profit off the death by selling morbid photos of the corpse to tabloid publications.
To prevent photos of the body from being leaked, the coroner’s office stored Manson’s remains under a pseudonym and only two employees were told its true identity, Walters said.
Freeman has denied having a deal to sell photos of the body. A video online shows Freeman’s son playing with a Manson puppet, complete with swastika on the forehead, and Freeman joking about stuffing the doll with Manson’s ashes and taking him fishing.
Attorney Dale Kiken, who represents Freeman, dismissed the video as play and said his client is respectful and wants to have a final internment that doesn’t keep ashes or pieces of Manson.
Kiken expects there to be a public ceremony, possibly documented by a film crew that has been following Freeman, in which Manson’s ashes are scattered on a body of water.
“From a logical standpoint, there’s a great benefit to a public scattering of his ashes, not just for finality for his relatives but to everyone affected by Mr. Manson,” Kiken said.
Charles Manson’s grandson wins bizarre battle over his corpse | Toronto Sun
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Published:
March 12, 2018
Updated:
March 12, 2018 10:34 PM EDT
This Aug. 14, 2017, file photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation shows Charles Manson. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Jason Freeman of Florida can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif.Uncredited / AP
LOS ANGELES — A grandson of cult leader Charles Manson won the bizarre California court battle Monday over the killer’s body.
Kern County Superior Court Commissioner Alisa Knight ruled that Jason Freeman can retrieve Manson’s remains, which have been on ice in the Bakersfield morgue since he died in November.
Freeman didn’t immediately comment but previously said he would cremate and spread the ashes of Manson and put to rest “this so-called monster, this historical figure that shouldn’t have been blown up as big as it was for all these years.”
Manson died in a hospital in Bakersfield while serving a life sentence for orchestrating the 1969 killings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others. He was 83.
The fight over his corpse devolved into a circus of sorts with friends filing competing wills purportedly signed by the infamous inmate while kin began to come out of the woodwork to also stake a claim to the killer’s body and an estate that could include lucrative rights to songs Manson wrote or to license his image and other material.
In this Jan. 8, 2018, file photo, Michael Channels speaks to reporters after a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court in Los Angeles. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Jason Freeman of Florida can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif. Channels had also sought to claim Manson’s body.
While the decision clears the way for Manson to be cremated or buried, the battle for the body foreshadows what lies ahead as the same competing camps wrestle for control of the estate.
The case in Kern County was brought by the coroner’s office, which said it wanted to quickly resolve the matter because bodies were piling up at the morgue from the methamphetamine and opioid epidemics.
The three-way fight for the body was between Freeman, Michael Brunner, a man who said he was fathered by Manson, and Michael Channels, a pen pal who collected and sold Manson memorabilia and filed what he said was the cult leader’s will.
The three all tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of the competing claims and Freeman largely won out because of deficiencies with the other petitions.
Knight said the will submitted by Channels was problematic, in part, because he was one of the two witnesses while also sole beneficiary. It was also ambiguous about what would be done with Manson’s body other than for Channels to use his judgment as executor.
“All I wanted to do was take the dude’s ashes and dump them in the desert where he wanted,” said Channels, who said he was more upset that Freeman prevailed over Brunner, who he believes is Manson’s legitimate son. “I’m irate. That Jason Freeman, he just pulled the wool over the whole system’s eyes.”
In this Jan. 26, 2018, file photo, Jason Freeman, Charles Manson’s purported grandson, speaks to reporters outside court in Los Angeles. A Kern County Superior Court commissioner ruled Monday, March 12, 2018, that Freeman can collect the remains of Charles Manson from the morgue in Bakersfield, Calif.
Brunner’s mother was an early member of the so-called Manson family and he was fathered by the cult leader, according to his birth certificate, though it misspelled Manson’s middle name. Knight said Brunner had shown evidence he was fathered by Manson, but he lost his right to be deemed an heir because he was adopted by his maternal grandparents.
Freeman, a former professional mixed martial arts fighter from Florida, is the son of the late Charles Manson Jr., who was the child of Manson and his first wife. Charles Manson Jr. changed his name to Charles Jay White and later killed himself.
Although some raised questions about whether Freeman was really Manson’s grandson, Knight determined he was “the surviving competent adult next of kin.”
Another purported son, Matthew Lentz, who claims he was fathered by Manson during a Wisconsin orgy, supported Brunner’s petition. He is named as the sole beneficiary in a 2017 will that Manson apparently signed and sent to Ben Gurecki, another friend and memorabilia collector, who is named as executor.
Knight noted that the will did not appear to be properly executed and that Lentz forfeited his claims as an heir because he was also adopted.
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Most of the people vying for the body have said they would cremate it, though Freeman’s attorney balked at that suggestion when Deputy Kern County Counsel Bryan Walters suggested at hearing last week that the coroner could cremate the body and allow the parties to continue their court fight over the ashes.
Some adversaries have suggested others want to profit off the death by selling morbid photos of the corpse to tabloid publications.
To prevent photos of the body from being leaked, the coroner’s office stored Manson’s remains under a pseudonym and only two employees were told its true identity, Walters said.
Freeman has denied having a deal to sell photos of the body. A video online shows Freeman’s son playing with a Manson puppet, complete with swastika on the forehead, and Freeman joking about stuffing the doll with Manson’s ashes and taking him fishing.
Attorney Dale Kiken, who represents Freeman, dismissed the video as play and said his client is respectful and wants to have a final internment that doesn’t keep ashes or pieces of Manson.
Kiken expects there to be a public ceremony, possibly documented by a film crew that has been following Freeman, in which Manson’s ashes are scattered on a body of water.
“From a logical standpoint, there’s a great benefit to a public scattering of his ashes, not just for finality for his relatives but to everyone affected by Mr. Manson,” Kiken said.
Charles Manson’s grandson wins bizarre battle over his corpse | Toronto Sun
Charles Manson's two supposed sons out of battle over his estate
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Published:
July 13, 2018
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July 13, 2018 4:28 PM EDT
In this 1969 file photo, Charles Manson is escorted to his arraignment on conspiracy-murder charges in connection with the Sharon Tate murder case. AP
LOS ANGELES — Two men who claimed the most direct line of descent to murder mastermind Charles Manson were eliminated Friday from the bitter battle over his estate.
A Los Angeles Superior Court judge dismissed probate petitions by Matthew Lentz, a musician who claims he was fathered by Manson at a 1967 orgy, and Michael Brunner, whose mother was a member of the “Manson family” when he was born.
Because both men were adopted, which severs their legal link to Manson, their claims had been on shaky ground since another court dismissed their bid to claim his corpse after he died in November. Manson, 83, was serving a life sentence for orchestrating the 1969 killings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others.
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Judge Clifford Klein narrowed the case down to Jason Freeman, a man who says he’s the cult leader’s grandson, and Michael Channels, a pen pal who peddled memorabilia he collected from Manson.
Lentz made his first court appearance in the case Friday and asked the judge to give him more time to find a lawyer. But Klein told him he had blown deadlines and his time was up.
Unlike Brunner, who asked to withdraw his petition because he didn’t think he could win, Lentz was still hopeful that a will naming him as beneficiary would give him a claim to the estate, which includes rights to songs Manson penned and other possible intellectual property.
The will named Ben Gurecki, another so-called murderabilia dealer and friend of Manson, as executor. The will had deficiencies such as only one signature from a witness to Manson signing it and Freeman’s lawyers said it was a fraud.
Matthew Lentz, who says he was fathered by convicted murderer Charles Manson at an orgy, stands outside Los Angeles Superior Court Tuesday, May 8, 2018. Brian Melley / AP
Without a lawyer to help Lentz navigate the legal system, he was lost and said he was relieved in some ways to be done with the court fight.
“I’m over my head,” Lentz said outside court, saying he was going to focus on his music and promote himself as Matthew Manson. “I never expected to get anything out of this.”
Brunner’s bowing out and Lentz’s loss leaves Freeman, a former cage fighter, and Channels.
Channels’ claim to the estate lies in a will that names him as executor and sole beneficiary and specifically disinherits any children or heirs.
The will’s authenticity and validity have been called into question, due to a conflict of interest because Channels is listed as a witness and his signature pre-dates Manson’s autograph by four days.
Freeman, whose father Charles Manson Jr. committed suicide, has the inside track. He already overcame challenges by the others in Kern County Superior Court to claim the remains of Manson from the morgue.
He held a simple funeral in the Central Valley and spread Manson’s ashes in March.
Channels and Lentz objected to the way Freeman handled the service.
Klein scheduled a hearing Dec. 14 to set a trial date.
http://torontosun.com/news/world/2-purported-sons-of-charles-manson-out-of-battle-over-estate
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Published:
July 13, 2018
Updated:
July 13, 2018 4:28 PM EDT
In this 1969 file photo, Charles Manson is escorted to his arraignment on conspiracy-murder charges in connection with the Sharon Tate murder case. AP
LOS ANGELES — Two men who claimed the most direct line of descent to murder mastermind Charles Manson were eliminated Friday from the bitter battle over his estate.
A Los Angeles Superior Court judge dismissed probate petitions by Matthew Lentz, a musician who claims he was fathered by Manson at a 1967 orgy, and Michael Brunner, whose mother was a member of the “Manson family” when he was born.
Because both men were adopted, which severs their legal link to Manson, their claims had been on shaky ground since another court dismissed their bid to claim his corpse after he died in November. Manson, 83, was serving a life sentence for orchestrating the 1969 killings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others.
Charles Manson’s purported sons could be out of estate fight
Two men claiming to be Charles Manson’s heirs team up to fight for his estate
Another man claiming to be Charles Manson’s son appears in court in dispute over his corpse
‘It’s a circus show’: Legal battle over Charles Manson’s body begins
‘MURDERABILIA’ MONEY: Judge aims to referee scrap over Charles Manson’s remains, estate
Death certificate says Charles Manson died of heart failure
Judge Clifford Klein narrowed the case down to Jason Freeman, a man who says he’s the cult leader’s grandson, and Michael Channels, a pen pal who peddled memorabilia he collected from Manson.
Lentz made his first court appearance in the case Friday and asked the judge to give him more time to find a lawyer. But Klein told him he had blown deadlines and his time was up.
Unlike Brunner, who asked to withdraw his petition because he didn’t think he could win, Lentz was still hopeful that a will naming him as beneficiary would give him a claim to the estate, which includes rights to songs Manson penned and other possible intellectual property.
The will named Ben Gurecki, another so-called murderabilia dealer and friend of Manson, as executor. The will had deficiencies such as only one signature from a witness to Manson signing it and Freeman’s lawyers said it was a fraud.
Matthew Lentz, who says he was fathered by convicted murderer Charles Manson at an orgy, stands outside Los Angeles Superior Court Tuesday, May 8, 2018. Brian Melley / AP
Without a lawyer to help Lentz navigate the legal system, he was lost and said he was relieved in some ways to be done with the court fight.
“I’m over my head,” Lentz said outside court, saying he was going to focus on his music and promote himself as Matthew Manson. “I never expected to get anything out of this.”
Brunner’s bowing out and Lentz’s loss leaves Freeman, a former cage fighter, and Channels.
Channels’ claim to the estate lies in a will that names him as executor and sole beneficiary and specifically disinherits any children or heirs.
The will’s authenticity and validity have been called into question, due to a conflict of interest because Channels is listed as a witness and his signature pre-dates Manson’s autograph by four days.
Freeman, whose father Charles Manson Jr. committed suicide, has the inside track. He already overcame challenges by the others in Kern County Superior Court to claim the remains of Manson from the morgue.
He held a simple funeral in the Central Valley and spread Manson’s ashes in March.
Channels and Lentz objected to the way Freeman handled the service.
Klein scheduled a hearing Dec. 14 to set a trial date.
http://torontosun.com/news/world/2-purported-sons-of-charles-manson-out-of-battle-over-estate
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A freak show like his namesake Marilyn Manson. The animal had a swastika tattooed to his forehead. What a monster
Manson family crashed and burned 50 years ago
On Jan. 25, 1971 the cult leader and three others were found guilty of the August 1969 murders of pregnant Sharon Tate and four others.
IMHO, Judging a show business persona like it's real is some kind of something.
I guess you always hated Yosemite Sam too?
Yosemite Sam is a fictional character unlike that POS Marilyn Manson. He's a negative influence on society (at least when I was growing up, haven't heard anything about him in years).IMHO, Judging a show business persona like it's real is some kind of something.
I guess you always hated Yosemite Sam too?