CSIS stabs collaborator in back!

[Machjo]

Key CSIS, RCMP operative denounced to U.S.: WikiLeaks - Toronto - CBC News

What the hell is going on here?

Is CSIS not aware that by just spewing out any random name on the list because of 'suspicions' and nothing else, they're screwing royally with the lives of potentially innocent people?

Certainly that must be a clear violation of the Constitution. If not, it sure as hell ought to be. As far as I'm concerned, at the very least there ought to be a round of firings somewhare in CSIS, and possibly even civil and criminal charges.

This is appalling!

If this is how CSIS operates, perhaps it ought to be first on the list of organizations to disband so as to save money.

 

[lone wolf]

Law enforcement doesn't give a damn about lives it may endanger in the pursuit of conviction. Get involved....

 

[Durry]

No, they are just doing their jobs.
Our legal system has a very high threshold before anyone can be classsified as suspious.

These guys are are probably just below the threshold and should be on ciscs radar. The damage these guys could do to our country is just enormous, so I think ciscs is doing the right thing.

 

[Machjo]

CSIS is not law enforcement. It's a spy agency. And seeing that we don't appreciate foreign espionage, why do we have a spy agency ourselves. What right do we have to fake indignation against foreign espionage against Canada when we do it ourselves.

 

[Durry]

That should be "CSIS"

 

[Machjo]

No, they are just doing their jobs.
Our legal system has a very high threshold before anyone can be classsified as suspious.

These guys are are probably just below the threshold and should be on ciscs radar. The damage these guys could do to our country is just enormous, so I think ciscs is doing the right thing.

So CSIS and the RCMP hire suspected terrorists to work for them? It looks like the name was given to the US while CSIS and the RCMP still had him on their friggin payroll. How incompetent can you get?

 

[Durry]

What's wrong with spying on the people in our own country that want to damage us?

 

[lone wolf]

CSIS is not law enforcement. It's a spy agency. And seeing that we don't appreciate foreign espionage, why do we have a spy agency ourselves. What right do we have to fake indignation against foreign espionage against Canada when we do it ourselves.

The two who sat across the road from my place were certainly the most inept "spies" in existence then....

 

[Machjo]

I mean seriously, how can you hire a guy to help you turn in terrorists (which I assume requires considerable trust on your part that he won't turn on you as a double-agent), and then put him on a terrorist watch list? How much more incompetent can you get than that?!

What's wrong with spying on the people in our own country that want to damage us?

Then that should be a police matter, not a matter for a spy agency.

And no we should not be spying on anyone, resident of Canada or not, citizen or not. If we have an issue with him, that's what the courts are for. Charge him and take him to court. Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? If we have reliable security at our airports and other sensitive areas, we should not need to violate peoples' privacy.

If we have a reason to be suspicious, then charge him with something. We're not Syria here!

 

[Durry]

So CSIS and the RCMP hire suspected terrorists to work for them? It looks like the name was given to the US while CSIS and the RCMP still had him on their friggin payroll. How incompetent can you get?

Not sure about the details here but the world of esponage is a tricky world.
I pay these guys to keep me safe, they better do what they're paid to do.
And I don't really care if they break some international rule along the way, just keep the idiots out of my country.

 

[Machjo]

Not sure about the details here but the world of esponage is a tricky world.
I pay these guys to keep me safe, they better do what they're paid to do.
And I don't really care if they break some international rule along the way, just keep the idiots out of my country.

1. The guy was born in Canada.

2. He was hired by CSIS and the RCMP to keep you safe!

3. While on the RCMP's or CSIS' payroll, CSIS reported him to the US authorities and even incorrectly identified his friggin' place of birth as India when we was in fact born in Canada! Do you really trust that CSIS did a good job here if he's on the RCMP's payroll and CSIS does not know where he's born, he helped to turn the Toronto 18 in, and so did his service to Canada, and while still on the RCMP's payroll is turned in to the US with an incorrect country of birth labeled as a terrorist suspect owing to association with the Toronto 18? For crying out loud, he was hired by the RCMP to infiltrate the Toronto 18! How the hell do you infiltrate a group without associating with it! Idiots!

If he's that dangerous, what the hell is he doing still roaming Canadian streets freely? What, he wants to blow up buildings in the US but wants to help catch Canadian terrorists? Now there's a split personality! If he's that dangerous, why did CSIS not lay charges and take him to court? So this CSIS that believes this man to be a threat are leaving him roam freely. Come on, either he's a terrorist or he's not. Make up our freggin minds before ruining a person's life like that.

So, what's Canada fightit for abroad again? The presumption of innocence? Due process? Obviously not. So, what does our country stand for again?

 

[Durry]

Well it sounds a bit incompetent all right, but as always there is usually more to the story than is usually reported in the news, especially the CBC.
I'm prepared to give this organization the benifit of the doubt for now. If this organization is in error and if you believe we have a good justice system, then the mechanisms should be in place to deal with it (I really don't have that kind of confedence in our system but be that as it may??).

 

[PoliticalNick]

Not sure about the details here but the world of esponage is a tricky world.
I pay these guys to keep me safe, they better do what they're paid to do.
And I don't really care if they break some international rule along the way, just keep the idiots out of my country.

Nice to know you don't care about the laws as long as breaking them serves your best interest in your opinion.

I don't know why we need to pay somebody to keep us safe. I would think the better solution would be to act in a manner so that others don't want to harm us, that costs nothing.

 

[Machjo]

Nice to know you don't care about the laws as long as breaking them serves your best interest in your opinion.

I don't know why we need to pay somebody to keep us safe. I would think the better solution would be to act in a manner so that others don't want to harm us, that costs nothing.

He'd be singing a very different song if it were his name on that list. Heck, the guy did not even know until Wikileaks. He could have ended up going to the US for holiday and end up in a Syrian prison!

 

[damngrumpy]

I will admit, I don't know what to make of this. Our Government or an agency of govenment
hires people and then tips off a foreign country that they are terrorists. If these people are
our friends, who is the enemy? In addition they tell the foreign power the person is born in
India when in fact they were not, they are fellow Canadians. Can we be sure of anything
the spy agency tells us? Can we be assured that someone will tell a foreign power that we
are a danger to our country and theirs?
If it is a Canadian spy agency, then we should be dealing with it ourselves unless the suspects
go to the United States or else where. We have to use common sense here, but why would we
hire people to protect us that might be dangerous? Of course CSIS has a long history of being
somewhat stupid at times.

 

[Machjo]

I will admit, I don't know what to make of this. Our Government or an agency of govenment
hires people and then tips off a foreign country that they are terrorists. If these people are
our friends, who is the enemy? In addition they tell the foreign power the person is born in
India when in fact they were not, they are fellow Canadians. Can we be sure of anything
the spy agency tells us? Can we be assured that someone will tell a foreign power that we
are a danger to our country and theirs?
If it is a Canadian spy agency, then we should be dealing with it ourselves unless the suspects
go to the United States or else where. We have to use common sense here, but why would we
hire people to protect us that might be dangerous? Of course CSIS has a long history of being
somewhat stupid at times.

But it gets worse. The man in question did not even realise he was on the list. Seeing that he was on CSIS' payroll, it's naturaly he'd feel pretty confident CSIS would not have reported him like it did. Now imagine he decides to cross the border into the US for a holiday. Before you know it, he's on his way to Syria!

 

[shadowshiv]

CSIS is not law enforcement. It's a spy agency. And seeing that we don't appreciate foreign espionage, why do we have a spy agency ourselves. What right do we have to fake indignation against foreign espionage against Canada when we do it ourselves.

We have a spy agency because every other major country has one. If we did not, then we would be left in the dark on many matters, most likely until it's far too late to do anything about it.

 

[Omicron]

We have a spy agency because every other major country has one. If we did not, then we would be left in the dark on many matters, most likely until it's far too late to do anything about it.

We don't really have a spy agency in the same sense that the other G8 understand it to be.

It was not created with a specific mandate... it was a branch of the RCMP with a pre-existent mandate, split off by Trudeau.

When it was a part of the RCMP, it's main function was to tell the tough guys in RCMP who to hit.

Consequently, it was historically populated by ratty weasel-types with a great talent for being gossipy know-it-alls.

Historically they would say to RCMP what they'd heard, comfortable knowing RCMP and the courts would sort it out through process of law.

After Trudeau split them they at first continued to feed most of their gossip to RCMP, but then Bush and 9/11 happened, and they have been having to learn how to deal with Uncle Sam more directly, whereupon they've been learning to be more careful plus not say without checking it first plus are thinking about the national legal consequences. It used to be they could say, "Hey, we think this guy might be a Syrian spy" without worrying because the system was for the RCMP to check it out with due process of law. Such cannot be said trivially to Uncle Sam.

That being said, the old CSIS is retiring, and new employees are being hired. Think of it like how DFO and Customs didn't used to carry guns.

For example, officially CSIS does not do extra-territorial ops, yet magically, if you hide enough money overseas for it to be a volume sufficient to be interesting, they have been known to present courts with your overseas investment records, obtainable only if the facility has been physically raided.

Funny, isn't it. Sort of like how CIA is a branch of Treasury department.

In any case, we see that that last blunder was a result of bad management.

Ever notice how blunders come mostly consistently from bad management?

 

[In Between Man]

We have a spy agency because every other major country has one. If we did not, then we would be left in the dark on many matters, most likely until it's far too late to do anything about it.

I knew it! Your pretty good at "correcting" misinformation I've noticed.

YouTube - ‪Canada Government Monitoring Online Forums to Correct "Misinformation"‬‏

 

[damngrumpy]

We have an incompetent spy agency and an incompetent federal police force.
Why are we paying for people who would have difficulty finding their way home?
This guy deserves compensation big time/