Crisis in Cosmology

[Historic]

My kind of quasi scientific thoughts about the Electric Universe theory after my first introduction.

It is getting late and I am mulling over what I have just read about. Space plasma and uni polar inductors. As usual I turn to the grid as discribed by Hawkins in his attempt to explain his version of string theory.

I wonder if this could work?

The strings are plasma, the space between uni polar inductors. The dimension or time line dictated by the over all amps created within the entirety of the space. It brings to mind micro tublins and the electron they each hold and isolate. The isolation ensuring the possibility for all possibilities while quantum knowing dictates the temporary fleeting form.

Perhaps while a single electron with its single charge trapped in isolation generates thought…many electrons trapped (which when trapped assume form)in plasma generate mass/time… A dimension?

I have always thought… dark matter, the thoughts that give order to the universe.

Well, I shall go to sleep tonight contemplating the role of magnetism in the flow and charge of plasma and how plasma could hold the shape of something that could be construed as strings…perhaps as some form of multiple double layers beyond the scope of our own universe, the space between where the uni polar inductor (our universe)exists could be mirrored by the places between double layers that accelerate particles.

Good night.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The strings are far too small to be plasma. The electric universe theory isn't real physics, nobody's ever been able to do the calculations showing how an electric current could power the sun without generating a lot of other effects that simply aren't observed. A current with enough energy to account for the sun's observed power output, for instance, would generate a magnetic field far bigger than the earth's field at the earth's distance from the sun, any geophysical instrument that depends on the earth's field, even a simple compass, would be useless. The solar wind couldn't be electrically neutral either, but it is. Don't be fooled, the electric universe theory is just people talking about physics, they can't really DO any physics.

 

[Tonington]

Or how about those crazy electric universe theories about cloud formation and height...if they were correct we'd lose all our water to space!

 

[Historic]

Hi Tonington and Dextersinister (cute..),

Personally I don't come from a point of view of validity or not because I have no clue what so ever...however I should have some idea after we have talked for awhile. To me, now that I have a way to explore all of what UE stands for by relating it to something I already kind of understand , well I have a basis for learning now.

For instance, when considering the size of what a string could be I have to remember that perspective is everything. In fact we already know that if there is something like that we can't see it from where we stand. Who knows what it would look like. String to me is more of an abstract description of something that has defined space that projects longer as opposed to wider. One article that I found last night that interest me is this one...Plasma Confinement by Magnetic Fields. Especially this part of it....

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Now, the particles hitting the end of the vessel causes a problem but if the vessel was long enough that near the middle the magnetic effect was strong enough to prevent the plasma from hitting the side wall in effect creating that string like object we are considering and yet weak enough near the ends to minimize the negative effect of collision...it might work. Since we couldn't see the end (yet) if it existed who knows.
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Could be like this perhaps...that the string is so long that by the time you get to the end the particulate matter within the plasma is so thin that the volume of collisions doesn't matter?

I could picture magnetic forces being the sidewalls of dimensions.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Plasma confinement does not create the strings of string theory, there's no connection there at all. If you want to understand something about physics, start with the Physics entry in Wikipedia and spread out from there, darkbeaver's junk sites will just lead you off on a wild goose chase and leave you more ignorant and misinformed than you were before you started.

 

[Historic]

Don't be too concerned about how much if any validity I put to what we are talking about. I am more a philosopher than a scientist but I love to learn when given the chance. Personally I don't think string theory has much validity but there are some points within it that have interested me. Mostly regarding the mental picture I now have that delineates dimensions. My curiosity now is all about what could accomplish that delineation.

While I did manage to find an article that does explain how magnetism could cause plasma to form into a continuous line to fit my mental image I came here with that information because I don't know how to put it into context yet and I appreciate any information that could expand my understanding of either it's validity or not.

All I know about quantum physics could fit on the end of my finger. But, what I do know tells me that processes that should react predictably in smaller or larger scales, frequently do not...so that leaves the imagination to go wild.

I had not thought in terms of electricity fueling the sun's energy but rather the combined amps of all the free floating plasma within a space (our universe) dictating perhaps a resonance/frequency or some such that dictates the timeline our universe is in. In smaller scale the section of a plasma where there is an accelerated charge between multiple layers. In large scale that same section of accelerated charge being the space our universe inhabits. I just wondered if that accelerated charge on a grande scale could effect time. Each space having its own time. That without a space of accelerated charge versus within a space of accelerated charge, time is not the same.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'm not very impressed with string theory as physics either. It hasn't so far generated any testable ideas that would distinguish it from relativity and quantum theory, so while it's very creative and elegant mathematics, it's not physics. Not yet, anyway. But that's not what concerns me. You appear to be, and more or less admit, that you're a relative neophyte when it comes to physics, and darkbeaver's junk sites will not help you understand anything, unless as a philosopher you're interested in why people believe things that are demonstrably not true.

 

[Historic]

I will admit I left the theory of EU behind and now I am just focusing on its components... it is the plasma that fascinates me at the moment.

What an interesting thing plasma is. I want to understand more about the behavior of it in any scenario be it theoretical or practical.

 

[darkbeaver]

And if you're looking for a prime candidate in a study of why people believe in things demonstrably untrue you can to no better than to subject Sinister to the examination. Hawkins is an idiot.




predictions pending


predictions confirmed



In science one of the best markers for the accuracy of a model or theory is how well it predicts outcomes. This applies not only to future events but can also be applied to existing data. Below is a collection of predictions based on Electric Universe principles, which have been confirmed by observations and data. The link above provides a list of pending predictions.

At present this list concentrates on those things predicted before the event, but will be expanded in the future to cover many facets of modern astrophysics and cosmology. Comets: Deep Impact
Comets: Stardust
Sun
Mars
Saturn
Saturn's moons
Io
Supernovae: SN1987A
Fusion