Court rules against Ottawa in injection site case

[Scott Free]

This has to be one of the most retarded question of our time IMO.

Anyone can do drugs. No one can stop anyone from doing drugs that wants to do drugs. In fact, trying to stop people from doing drugs just makes the drugs more appealing to the people that are likely to use them!

So why pass a law saying you can't do drugs? It makes the government look ridiculous! They have to hire more cops and SS goons to enforce something that is unenforceable.

I don't know anyone nor have ever known anyone that refrained from drugs because they were illegal. People that don't do drugs don't because they understand the consequences.

Whether drugs are legal or not is irrelevant. I'm not sure what the purpose of safe injection sites are for. I suppose it makes some people somewhere feel good about themselves. I think they are a great idea so long as school field trips are made to them so children can see what being a drug addict is really like.

The trick is to make people not want to do drugs. You'll never stop them from doing them if they want to but you can stop the original want.

 

[Unforgiven]

You know, I don't feel strongly about safe injection sites....if they save lives....well, alright.

I don't like it, but okay.

What I DO feel strongly about is judges making law.....hard drugs are ILLEGAL in this country, for EVERYBODY, junkie, dealer, or clean-and-sober guy....the federal gov't has a right to enforce federal law....there can be no constitutional right to break a constitutional law.............that is simply silly.

So don't shut it down....just arrest everybody that enters for drug possession.

Just to make the point.

Courts don't make law, they test it. Legislation is a political game and often law is created no so much to serve the public will but rather to garner public support for a political stripe. Arresting someone and pushing them into an already overwhelmed system when they aren't ready to make the changes is futile.

But if you are present when the moment arrives that someone is ready to make a change in lifestyle and help to provide the means to make those difficult changes, you are going to have, as we've seen from Insite, far more success.

 

[Praxius]

Anyone can do drugs. No one can stop anyone from doing drugs that wants to do drugs. In fact, trying to stop people from doing drugs just makes the drugs more appealing to the people that are likely to use them!

Kinda like sex or smoking ciggs.

I don't know anyone nor have ever known anyone that refrained from drugs because they were illegal. People that don't do drugs don't because they understand the consequences.

Wait isn't that sorta contradicting? The people who don't do the drugs because they understand the consequences sounds also like they don't do the drugs because they are illegal.

People who never touched drugs that were not controlled by the government understand the concepts of the negative things listed for each drug such as jail times, side effects, etc.... those were the things that made me hold off from trying them for as long as I did.

However, although one person may understand the concepts of what they are told about per drug.... they will never fully understand it all unless they of course try it and determine what they are being told is true or not. Many things you don't need to try, you can usually see first hand by watching others take them or crash on them and that's all one needs... but not all the drugs are identical to others and some actually have little to no side effects in comparison to such things as coffee or tobacco....

as many in here like to compare or restrict someone's perspective on something, it's a lot like being a parent... as they say, you never truly know until you have one, or in this case, you never truly know what you're being told until you try it..... but that's up to the individual.

Whether drugs are legal or not is irrelevant. I'm not sure what the purpose of safe injection sites are for. I suppose it makes some people somewhere feel good about themselves. I think they are a great idea so long as school field trips are made to them so children can see what being a drug addict is really like.

The trick is to make people not want to do drugs. You'll never stop them from doing them if they want to but you can stop the original want.

Even then you can't stop that... you may think you're not taking drugs by avoiding the illegal ones, but we all intake drugs almost on a daily basis in some fashion or another.... be that your ciggs, your coffee, your perscriptions from the doctor, hell, even your chocolate is a form of a drug.... and they all have their own respected side effects, from lung cancer, to crapping out your gutz from the coffee beans and giving you high blood pressure, to the chocolate causing you to become a diabetic depending on the ammount you ingest

..... and that's the key point right there.... regardless of what you do in your lives, be that drugs, driving, sex, eating, working, sleeping, everything we do in our lives should be controlled with moderation and respect of the things we might enjoy. The moment you begin to abuse anything, it will abuse you right back..... it doesn't have to be illegal to have this effect on you, and chances are if you don't abuse drugs through your life, it'll be something else you'll have to battle, like your weight and food, or how much coffee you drink in a day, or how many packs of ciggs you smoke a day, to how much you drink on the weekends, or how much sex you enjoy on a regular basis.

It's not going to matter if the government makes something illegal or legal, we'll still do what the hell we please when it comes to ourselves and we'll still have something to battle which could be considdered an addiction.... some addictions are worse then others, but they're addictions none the less.

 

[tracy]

You know, I don't feel strongly about safe injection sites....if they save lives....well, alright.

I don't like it, but okay.

What I DO feel strongly about is judges making law.....hard drugs are ILLEGAL in this country, for EVERYBODY, junkie, dealer, or clean-and-sober guy....the federal gov't has a right to enforce federal law....there can be no constitutional right to break a constitutional law.............that is simply silly.

So don't shut it down....just arrest everybody that enters for drug possession.

Just to make the point.

The site has been operating under an exemption to the law since it opened. The government decided the health benefits to the entire community outweighed the satisfaction they'd get for sending a message or making a point.

 

[Scott Free]

Wait isn't that sorta contradicting? The people who don't do the drugs because they understand the consequences sounds also like they don't do the drugs because they are illegal.

People who never touched drugs that were not controlled by the government understand the concepts of the negative things listed for each drug such as jail times, side effects, etc.... those were the things that made me hold off from trying them for as long as I did.

However, although one person may understand the concepts of what they are told about per drug.... they will never fully understand it all unless they of course try it and determine what they are being told is true or not. Many things you don't need to try, you can usually see first hand by watching others take them or crash on them and that's all one needs... but not all the drugs are identical to others and some actually have little to no side effects in comparison to such things as coffee or tobacco....

Good point. I agree. It is a combination then of prohibition and knowledge that keeps some people safe. I never tried hard drugs but only because they are dangerous. The law made me want to try them, my reason kept me from them. I did smoke but with the full understanding that I would have to quit. I loved smoking but a person can only get away with it for a limited time before it starts mutating cell structures. A person should stop smoking before 35 when cellular division starts becoming too susceptible to external influences IMO.

as many in here like to compare or restrict someone's perspective on something, it's a lot like being a parent... as they say, you never truly know until you have one, or in this case, you never truly know what you're being told until you try it..... but that's up to the individual.

I agree but I don't think that's a universal truism. I am more comfortable thinking this is true of some people. I always examine the effects of an action on people that do it before trying it myself. I have done that since I was a teenager. It is the reason I never got into remote control airplanes for example; the guy that introduced me to it was missing three fingers.

Even then you can't stop that... you may think you're not taking drugs by avoiding the illegal ones, but we all intake drugs almost on a daily basis in some fashion or another.... be that your ciggs, your coffee, your perscriptions from the doctor, hell, even your chocolate is a form of a drug.... and they all have their own respected side effects, from lung cancer, to crapping out your gutz from the coffee beans and giving you high blood pressure, to the chocolate causing you to become a diabetic depending on the ammount you ingest

..... and that's the key point right there.... regardless of what you do in your lives, be that drugs, driving, sex, eating, working, sleeping, everything we do in our lives should be controlled with moderation and respect of the things we might enjoy. The moment you begin to abuse anything, it will abuse you right back..... it doesn't have to be illegal to have this effect on you, and chances are if you don't abuse drugs through your life, it'll be something else you'll have to battle, like your weight and food, or how much coffee you drink in a day, or how many packs of ciggs you smoke a day, to how much you drink on the weekends, or how much sex you enjoy on a regular basis.

I agree. I just think restricting drug use is a little like restricting people on the number of sex partners they can have in a year. It's intrusive, abusive and unenforceable.

I do, however, see your point that for some people such a prohibition might make them think twice.

It's not going to matter if the government makes something illegal or legal, we'll still do what the hell we please when it comes to ourselves and we'll still have something to battle which could be considdered an addiction.... some addictions are worse then others, but they're addictions none the less.

I agree. Like the addiction of talking to people from around the world on forums :smile:. I imagine someone somewhere could make a case that that is an addiction. In China there are even laws restricting hours of internet use - something I think is completely absurd. Talk about momma government gone too far.