Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

[Vanni Fucci]

Well when we're done bombing the Wahhabis maybe then we can move onto the Hindus, because they're being denied the right to eat beef...and while we're at it, we can bomb Israel and Manhattan, because they're being denied the right to eat pork...and then we can bomb Kansas, because they're being denied the right to learn science...

But it seems that you wish to keep this an issue of women's rights...so I'm thinking we may just have to bomb Japan...

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2277/context/cover/

...and well, according to this, we'll have to bomb the whole goddamn world...I hope we have enough bombs...

http://www.whrnet.org/archive.html#Issues

 

[Just the Facts]

A+ Vanni. A+.

 

[peapod]

pfffft...sure as long as you can use bogus information thats okay with you. :roll: :roll:

 

[Karlin]

This article is a very fine example of why some people call me a bigot. You people. Not my people. I am always particularly concerned with the women's rights portion of any political movement or issue. Can we concentrate on that one area in this article and not get side-tracked?
Bull Dog

Ya, posting that means all Islam is bad, I get it.
I hope everyone can see what you are doing here. It is not true - MOST of Islamics are just normal people who want peace, womens rights, just what common people everywhere want.

By slamming us with an example of their worst elements, you are doing nothing to dispell those myths that pit "US AGAINST THEM".

Its getting old. Many see thru your treachery now, only the weak-minded will follow you into battle. Too bad there are so many... Ok, you win, now what? Same old violence and hatred, dividing peoples and shunning the beautifull existence that is at our fingertips.

Imagine promoting understanding, and what that would bring.

 

[peapod]

Of course we know what she is doing, its not rocket science

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

You guys can't be serious. Are you really trying to suggest that this issue sinks or swims on the basis of one link? Do you really believe that just because Sheikh Usama ibn Akhmed is nothing more than a Lampoon figure, the issue is moot?

<shudder>

No one here has said the issue of women's rights is a moot one, JTF - just the opposite, in fact. But bulldog didn't offer the article in the form of a spoof; people were supposed to take it at face value. Taking the article out of it's original context could be seen as a cynical piece of misdirection - an attempt at reinforcing a negative, racist stereotype and to encourage hostility towards all muslims.

I can only assume that the article was passed on to bulldog in a similarly out of context manner. Unfortunately, her own prejudiced attitude towards muslims meant that she was only too eager to believe it. in her own words: "This article is a very fine example of why some people call me a bigot." A lot of people are, like her, concerned about the issue of women's rights, but such issues aren't limited by geography, culture or wealth. If bulldog truly didn't want the issue to "get side-tracked", then reproducing a lie was a funny way of going about it.

Reinforcing negative stereotypes is divisive and unhelpful; it advances the cause of women not one jot.

 

[peapod]

Well said bigh...

:wav:

 

[bulldog]

Well the difference here is I not sticking my head up my leaders ass and ranting about what a great guy he is, and at the same time ranting about the people he is in bed with.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is here. I know you're not saying that slavery is OK as long as we don't associate with the enslavers.

Anyway, came across an interesting relevant article by Ayaan Hirsi Ali - she's the Dutch MP that wrote the script for the movie that Theo Van Gogh was murdered over (which inspired the painting in my avatar - it's Dutch for "Thou Shalt Not Kill")

It seems strange to associate the context of Canada with that of Iraq, but a closer look at the arguments used to reassure the demonstrating women in both countries reveals the similar ordeals that Muslim women in both countries must go through to secure their rights. It shows how their legitimate and serious worries are trivialized, and how vulnerable and alone they are.

Sort of like, I don't know, being compared to a topic in science class. :wink:

She goes on to say:

It shows how the Free World led by the U.S. went to war in Iraq, allegedly to bring liberty to Iraqis, and is compromising the basic rights of women in order to meet a random date. It shows how the theory of multiculturalism in Western liberal democracies is working against women in ethnic and religious minorities with misogynist practices. It shows the tenacity of many imams, mullahs and self-made Muslim radicals to subjugate women in the name of God. Most of all, it shows how many of those who consider themselves liberal or left-wing see their energy levels rise when it comes to Bush-bashing, but lose their voice when women's rights are threatened by religious obscurantism.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007112

Thank you for agreeing with me on this point. It is the one area where libs do lose their voice, and that's why I brought it up.
I should be an issue that we all agree on. I never said anything about Bush.

You know sometimes when you look at a painting, you see one thing - a person, a building - something really captivating and you keep looking back at it? That's the way I feel about this whole Middle East mess - I keep looking back at the women.

Bull Dog

 

[bulldog]

This article is a very fine example of why some people call me a bigot. You people. Not my people. I am always particularly concerned with the women's rights portion of any political movement or issue. Can we concentrate on that one area in this article and not get side-tracked?
Bull Dog

Ya, posting that means all Islam is bad, I get it.
I hope everyone can see what you are doing here. It is not true - MOST of Islamics are just normal people who want peace, womens rights, just what common people everywhere want.

By slamming us with an example of their worst elements, you are doing nothing to dispell those myths that pit "US AGAINST THEM".

Its getting old. Many see thru your treachery now, only the weak-minded will follow you into battle. Too bad there are so many... Ok, you win, now what? Same old violence and hatred, dividing peoples and shunning the beautifull existence that is at our fingertips.

Imagine promoting understanding, and what that would bring.

Did I say any of that crap? Hell NO.

Treachery? See what I mean about side-tracked. You just can't stay on the highway, can you? Sober up.

Bull Dog

 

[PoisonPete2]

This article is a very fine example of why some people call me a bigot. quote]

Did I say any of that crap? Hell NO.

Treachery? See what I mean about side-tracked. You just can't stay on the highway, can you? Sober up.

Bull Dog

answer - first you present the article as the reason you see some people perceiving you as a bigot, and you imply that the article represents why you view things as you do. Then you attempt to distance yourself from the article, and use a distractive suggestion that it is the other person who can't follow a dialogue. Finally you close of with the suggestion that the other person must be whacked. This is not very advanced debate.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

It seems strange to associate the context of Canada with that of Iraq, but a closer look at the arguments used to reassure the demonstrating women in both countries reveals the similar ordeals that Muslim women in both countries must go through to secure their rights. It shows how their legitimate and serious worries are trivialized, and how vulnerable and alone they are.

Sort of like, I don't know, being compared to a topic in science class. :wink:

She goes on to say:

It shows how the Free World led by the U.S. went to war in Iraq, allegedly to bring liberty to Iraqis, and is compromising the basic rights of women in order to meet a random date. It shows how the theory of multiculturalism in Western liberal democracies is working against women in ethnic and religious minorities with misogynist practices. It shows the tenacity of many imams, mullahs and self-made Muslim radicals to subjugate women in the name of God. Most of all, it shows how many of those who consider themselves liberal or left-wing see their energy levels rise when it comes to Bush-bashing, but lose their voice when women's rights are threatened by religious obscurantism.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007112

Thank you for agreeing with me on this point. It is the one area where libs do lose their voice, and that's why I brought it up.
I should be an issue that we all agree on. I never said anything about Bush.

You know sometimes when you look at a painting, you see one thing - a person, a building - something really captivating and you keep looking back at it? That's the way I feel about this whole Middle East mess - I keep looking back at the women.

Bull Dog

Looks like it's time to renew my subscription to The Western Standard...you know, to get a more rounded political bent... :roll:

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/

 

[bulldog]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

Is this nut case still stirring problems. Cut the chase and mind your own business. How do you feel if someone comes to you and tells you that you are not allowed to be in a swimming suit? These people have their way and they like it. Mind your own, Bulldog.

What's the matter, dumpling? I was planning to swim this evening in the cement pond. I did last night.

Child molesters have their way and they like it. That doesn't make it right, now does it, lovebug?

Bull Dog

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

Child molesters have their way and they like it. That doesn't make it right, now does it, lovebug?

Bull Dog

So now you've taken to equating a religious ideology with pedophelia...

Nice... :roll:

 

[peapod]

not surprising tho is it vanni :roll:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

not surprising tho is it vanni :roll:

No, not hardly... :roll:

 

[peapod]

not much at all really :roll:

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

You know sometimes when you look at a painting, you see one thing - a person, a building - something really captivating and you keep looking back at it? That's the way I feel about this whole Middle East mess - I keep looking back at the women.

Well try looking at the bigger picture, for a change; it's short-sighted to think that human rights abuses happen to other people, in other cultures, or only in places of conflict or repression. The fact is that the abuse of women's rights is not confined to any political, religious or economic system; they happen in every society in the world; they are not limited by wealth, race, age or culture. Wherever you live, women's rights are being abused. The position of women, and their roles in society are prescribed: Gender roles are one of the key aspects of every culture and, almost without exception, women are assigned to roles which are subservient to those of men. Often, these roles are enforced through violence, and this subservience and violence is commonly institionalised within all of our social and political structures. Virtually every culture in the world contains forms abuse of women's rights, and violence towards women that are largely invisible because they are considered normal. Even in countries and cultures where equality and human rights are enshrined, and violence towards women is criminalised, tolerance of abuses can still be found at all levels.

 

[peapod]

again bigh excellent post All bulldog has to do is look in her own country.

 

[Twila]

RE: Convert to Wahabbism

As to the title of this thread, I'm ok with others thinking I'm an infidel and dying.

All in all I'm ok with being me. How about you?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism

All in all I'm ok with being me. How about you?

Nah...I wouldn't want to be you...too much baggage...