Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

[missile]

What guarantees are there that this won't return to Iraq,after the US pulls all the troops out? I'm betting that within a few years ,everything will revert to it's former state.

 

[Just the Facts]

Canada is not doing all it can to bring immigrant peoples into the political fold

My Mother would cut you down into little pieces if she heard you say that!

My parents were immigrants in an era when there was no - read ZERO - "reaching out". The social programs we have today my parents couldn't even fantasize about in their day. Free English classes - are you kidding me!! That would have been a dream come true. Now we not only have free english classes, but entire multicultural centres where people can come to learn computer skills, job hunting skills, take advantage of reference libraries and experts to consult with. It's incredible the services we have available for immigrants today. My parents will go out of their way to point out to you that they had nothing - and yet...they managed to integrate into the political fold and avoid being ghettoized. With no government help. Huh! They must have been amazing people, my parents.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Whether someone supports Bush or Kerry, Martin or Harper, has absolutely no bearing on their views regarding world politics. That would be like denying EI benefits to anyone who didn't vote NDP, or firing all Bay St. execs who didn't vote conservative.

answer - very convoluted logic. It is just such support that colours personal views regarding world politics. Some folk don't want to see Muslim women repressed by the Wahabbists because they want them repressed by the Bush fascists.

 

[Just the Facts]

What guarantees are there that this won't return to Iraq,after the US pulls all the troops out? I'm betting that within a few years ,everything will revert to it's former state.

You're probably right. Life does not come with guarantees.

 

[Just the Facts]

answer - very convoluted logic. It is just such support that colours personal views regarding world politics.

OK maybe I could have phrased it better - I'm not a professional author or journalist. I think you know what I mean though. If not I'll try and come up with a clearer explanation of my point.

Some folk don't want to see Muslim women repressed by the Wahabbists because they want them repressed by the Bush fascists.

Convoluted logic vs. nonsense. I'll go with convoluted logic.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Canada is not doing all it can to bring immigrant peoples into the political fold

My Mother would cut you down into little pieces if she heard you say that!

answer - don't you dare threaten me with your mother. I have my own mother-in-law.
We have too many immigrants in this country who go into ethnic ghettos and have no further contact with the greater society. They don't learn the languages, and vote according to their community leaders. They bring their ethnic hatreds and continue to war against their 'old world' enemies. They work in sweatshops or do piecework at home for illegally low wages. They are very exploited and the Canadian government turns a blind eye. Do a little background research before you rant. Maybe you should ask your mother.

 

[Just the Facts]

Canada is not doing all it can to bring immigrant peoples into the political fold

My Mother would cut you down into little pieces if she heard you say that!

answer - don't you dare threaten me with your mother. I have my own mother-in-law.

:lol:

OK fair enough. :lol:

We have too many immigrants in this country who go into ethnic ghettos and have no further contact with the greater society. They don't learn the languages, and vote according to their community leaders. They bring their ethnic hatreds and continue to war against their 'old world' enemies.

And why is that? Is that my fault? Your fault? The governments fault? Should we be giving new immigrants our houses? Should we hand over our paycheques to them? Mow their lawns? Do their cooking?

Do immigrants not have any responsibility?

When someone is allowed to immigrate to Canada, the only guarantee they get is opportunity. If someone is being discriminated against because of race or ethnicity - that is wrong and we have laws to deal with that. But no one - NO ONE - is entitled to a free ride. And no one - NO ONE - gets to blame you or me when they don't get one.

They work in sweatshops or do piecework at home for illegally low wages. They are very exploited and the Canadian government turns a blind eye. Do a little background research before you rant. Maybe you should ask your mother.

My mother worked in a sweatshop and my father did piecework for low wages - only he didn't get to stay at home - he actually had to catch a bus and do piece work for low wages off site. That's all the background research I need. If you know of someone being exploited - blow the whistle - it's illegal. As you said yourself - "illegally low wages". The government is only as blind as the people. File a complaint.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Yeah so pheckin' what...fanaticism and zealotry is not an exclusively right-wing American concept you know...

How about Christian fundies wanting to preach ID in public schools...how is that any different?

Hmmm... the enslavement of entire nations of women vs. a topic in science class. Yup, it's the same. :roll:

You're partly right JTF, even though you're too inane to understand why.

As it seems you are incapable of following even the simplest of correllations put forth, I will explain my position further.

Religious fanaticism in all its forms are a blight upon this Earth. How can you condemn one, without condemning another, because it's happening in your own back yard, and/or is something you happen to agree with?

Wahhabism is certainly appalling to those of us who have known Western style freedoms, but so too are many of the "faith-based initiatives" that are being introduced in the US.

Enslavement of women? Perhaps, but need I remind you that this is their religious ideology, and that they believe that their way is the only way to true paradise. So it is to their religion they are enslaved, for if there was not that, they would not willingly remain in that condition. Christians are no less enslaved to their own traditions, and they've just been lucky that enslavement of women is not part of their doctrine.

Now here's the part that I agree with you on: the example I gave has distinct differences, in that Wahhabism has been around for centuries, and due to it's puritanical doctrine, and strict adherence to the tenets of the Quran, societally, things have not changed much since the 18th century, and nor will they without a massive blood-letting, which is maybe what Christians would like to see happen.

However, the push for intelligent design to be taught in the class rooms of America is a recent event, and will adversely affect society in that it children will be far more stupid for having learned this tripe.

Both though are examples of how damaging religious fundamentalism is to the societies where it is prevalent. Get it?

It seems that, in addition to all the other goals of globalisation, those that espouse the globalists ideals wish to transform this planet into a Christians only club, with absolutely no regard for those that do not embrace Christianity.

One religion to rule them all...

 

[Twila]

RE: Convert to Wahabbism

Christians are no less enslaved to their own traditions, and they've just been lucky that enslavement of women is not part of their doctrine.

You should have added "currently" at the end of this sentence. Not so long ago women were not as fortunate in the christian world as they are now......

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism

Christians are no less enslaved to their own traditions, and they've just been lucky that enslavement of women is not part of their doctrine.

You should have added "currently" at the end of this sentence. Not so long ago women were not as fortunate in the christian world as they are now......

You are, of course, correct Twila...thank you...

 

[moghrabi]

Is this nut case still stirring problems. Cut the chase and mind your own business. How do you feel if someone comes to you and tells you that you are not allowed to be in a swimming suit? These people have their way and they like it. Mind your own, Bulldog.

 

[Said1]

This article is a very fine example of why some people call me a bigot. You people. Not my people. I am always particularly concerned with the women's rights portion of any political movement or issue. Can we concentrate on that one area in this article and not get side-tracked?

When we come to power, we will decree that no women shall be allowed to go to school or work. Education is useless to women, because it is God's will that their duty in life is to stay at home and raise children. As for women working, we have mentioned before that their only work in the eyes of God shall be to be good homemakers. Women should not leave their homes, except only when it is absolutely necessary. When they do leave their homes, women should be enveloped from head to toe in a black garment, so as to shield them from the eyes of other men. This is the only way to avoid temptation, lust and sinful living. When outside the house, women should be accompanied at all times by a male relative and should not speak to unrelated men. Once again, this is to avoid sin.

Sheikh Usama ibn Akhmed is a professor of wahabbism at Drexel University and the president of Wahabbism Now for America

URL: http://www.thetriangle.org/media/pa...sm.Now.Lest.You.Die.Infidel.Pigs-650640.shtml

Bull Dog

People in America are free to accept this, or reject it, although I'm surprised he still has a job given the prattle posted in that link.

 

[Said1]

answer - don't you dare threaten me with your mother. I have my own mother-in-law.
We have too many immigrants in this country who go into ethnic ghettos and have no further contact with the greater society. They don't learn the languages, and vote according to their community leaders. They bring their ethnic hatreds and continue to war against their 'old world' enemies. They work in sweatshops or do piecework at home for illegally low wages. They are very exploited and the Canadian government turns a blind eye. Do a little background research before you rant. Maybe you should ask your mother.

Yes, Canada. Home of the sweatshops.

Anyway, speaking of non-english speaking immigrants, I happened to come across one today, at the Ontario Rental Housing Tribunal. This women was a property owner and was in court trying to evict ONE of her tennants. Talk about your "local Aisan immigrant girl doing good". She even had a FREE interpreter there to help her. Good thing for those illegal sweatshops, who knows what might have happened to this girl.

 

[moghrabi]

I can post an article in any paper and call myself Sheik Bin Moghrabi Bin Son of a Blob. Are we believing in everything written or said?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

I can post an article in any paper and call myself Sheik Bin Moghrabi Bin Son of a Blob. Are we believing in everything written or said?

Only if it's written by you Mog... :wink:

 

[moghrabi]

Hi vanni. Nice to be back to the forum.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

Hi vanni. Nice to be back to the forum.

Good to have you back... 8)

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

I can post an article in any paper and call myself Sheik Bin Moghrabi Bin Son of a Blob. Are we believing in everything written or said?

:lol: Well, some do, mog, if they try hard enough. I think bulldog has managed to convince herself that "Sheikh Usama ibn Akhmed" is a real person, and is a real "professor of wahabbism at Drexel University."

Personally, I'd like dulldog to provide some evidence that such a post even exists, nevermind the supposed professor. It's probably worth noting here that the article immediately preceding is something like "burglars have rights, too" by "Vivek Thuppil ... a junior majoring in criminals' rights and anarchy." ((see for yourselves)

:lol: Tut! Student magazines, eh? It would be funny, if it wasn't so unfunny. :x

I, for one, am not impressed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bulldog]

I guarantee you that I will fight to my last drop of blood to keep our women dressing any way that they want.

It is not the way they want to dress. It is the only thing they have ever known or the only thing that they have been permitted to wear. I am suggesting that other options and examples be presented. Enlightenment, information, choices..

And where Peapod gets the idea that I worship George Bush is truly a figment of her imagination. What in the world has that got to do with women's rights?

Bull Dog

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Convert to Wahabbism now lest you die infidel pigs

:lol: Well, some do, mog, if they try hard enough. I think bulldog has managed to convince herself that "Sheikh Usama ibn Akhmed" is a real person, and is a real "professor of wahabbism at Drexel University."

Personally, I'd like dulldog to provide some evidence that such a post even exists, nevermind the supposed professor. It's probably worth noting here that the article immediately preceding is something like "burglars have rights, too" by "Vivek Thuppil ... a junior majoring in criminals' rights and anarchy." ((see for yourselves)

:lol: Tut! Student magazines, eh? It would be funny, if it wasn't so unfunny. :x

I, for one, am not impressed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's a fine bit of sleuthing you did there Henry...have you ever considered the Kingdom of God?