Contradictions in Butts' testimony may mean Wilson-Raybould testifies again

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Is SNC Lavalin's fate either a slap on the wrist, or a 10 year banishment from doing business? Is there no compromise solution between these two extremes?


I do believe that is exactly what our brand spankin' new AG is trying his level best to do.
 

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Contradictions in Butts' testimony may mean Wilson-Raybould testifies again: former diplomat

Now that it's become a she-said-he-said, unless one side can present stronger proof of the truth of their claims, it could become a draw with no real way to know the truth.

For some reason, I still lean more towards believing Wilson-Raybould, but that could just be my prejudices based on how I interpret body language, tone of voice, etc., so I'll keep an open mind on this one.

But what happens if it does become a draw with neither side able to prove their claims? At that stage, the most sensible solution would be to move past it and move on to ensure that such a situation doesn't happen again. We could do that by seprating the positions of Minister of Justice and Attorney General.


It could very well be that the liberals will jump on this idea of splitting off the two ministries as yet another diversion tactic - albeit one that I agree with. If they make enough noise about it they may just be able to drown out all the voices of dissent.
 

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It could very well be that the liberals will jump on this idea of splitting off the two ministries as yet another diversion tactic - albeit one that I agree with. If they make enough noise about it they may just be able to drown out all the voices of dissent.

I don't see how the PM can come out of this unscathed. Let's look at the best-case scenario for the PM.

Wilson-Raybould provided very precise testimony along with copious notes, far more than Butts did. In the absence of other evidence, that makes her story more credible than his. That said, even she made many claims for which she had no supporting evidence; so it's still his word against hers for the most part, and so he could be telling the truth too.

With that, we could believe in the best-case scenario that this is all one big misunderstanding; but this still presents the PM with a major problem: how did this misunderstanding happen? Wilson-Raybould is a trained lawyer and laywers are like grammar teachers: they're tought to dot their 'i's and cross their 't''s and to always use the most precise word to express your meaning. This makes it improbable (though not impossible) that Wilson-Raybould hadn't expressed herself clearly to the PM or that she'd misunderstood his communications with her.

If this is all a misunderstanding and Wilson-Raybould most probably correctly understood the PM's communications to her, then we must conclude that more probably the PM expressed himself incorrectly in such a way to as lead Wilson-Raybould to conclude that he was applying pressure on her to bend to his will on the SNC-lavalin affair. This thus raises questions about his ability to communicate clearly.

In this best-case scenario, how can we have confidence in a Prime Minister who doesn't know how to communicate clearly? How can a person who doesn't know how to communicate clearly lead a country without potentially causing seriious misunderstandings? As far as I can tell, this is the best-case scenario for the PM, and it doesn't look good in the least. He's either a crook or an innocent fool. Which is it?
 

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Also clerk of the privy council - a non partisan - totally disputes her version of events and her interpretation of the law.
He should have no public opinion on the matter and he should be sacked for voicing it.
 

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He should have no public opinion on the matter and he should be sacked for voicing it.

I agree his "I can't recall", "I don't remember" or "I'm not a lawyer" comments were awfully convenient when it came to direct questions, then his memory was remarkable when it suited him or when he was backed into a corner. I think his biggest bias was toward SNC-Lavalin not to a political party IMO
 

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Mrs Raybould declines the Indian Affairs post because she cannot carry out carry out the role of overseeing the Indian Act which has so harmed her people - and yet she can work the Justice Ministry which covers all the laws under which her people suffered and the Indian Act itself was created.
SO I would call bullshit on that.
She simply did not want to leave the job that was her's or anyone else's at the discretion of the prime minister
Nice to see you agree Wernick was full of shit about her reasons
 

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On the news this AM truOWE was busy throwing Butts under the bus. Claiming no one had talked to him with any concerns. His handlers have also had over a month to make up a story to fit the party line.
 

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How do you throw someone who resigned due to a scandal under the bus?
 

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I don't see how the PM can come out of this unscathed. Let's look at the best-case scenario for the PM.

Wilson-Raybould provided very precise testimony along with copious notes, far more than Butts did. In the absence of other evidence, that makes her story more credible than his. That said, even she made many claims for which she had no supporting evidence; so it's still his word against hers for the most part, and so he could be telling the truth too.

With that, we could believe in the best-case scenario that this is all one big misunderstanding; but this still presents the PM with a major problem: how did this misunderstanding happen? Wilson-Raybould is a trained lawyer and laywers are like grammar teachers: they're tought to dot their 'i's and cross their 't''s and to always use the most precise word to express your meaning. This makes it improbable (though not impossible) that Wilson-Raybould hadn't expressed herself clearly to the PM or that she'd misunderstood his communications with her.

If this is all a misunderstanding and Wilson-Raybould most probably correctly understood the PM's communications to her, then we must conclude that more probably the PM expressed himself incorrectly in such a way to as lead Wilson-Raybould to conclude that he was applying pressure on her to bend to his will on the SNC-lavalin affair. This thus raises questions about his ability to communicate clearly.

In this best-case scenario, how can we have confidence in a Prime Minister who doesn't know how to communicate clearly? How can a person who doesn't know how to communicate clearly lead a country without potentially causing seriious misunderstandings? As far as I can tell, this is the best-case scenario for the PM, and it doesn't look good in the least. He's either a crook or an innocent fool. Which is it?


Communicate? The little potato? Surely you jest. He doesn't have a clue how to properly communicate. Face it, without his talking points and liberal bafflegab - he'd be lost as he has often proven to be when the tough questions are put to him and we are treated to him floundering about for words. Somehow in spite of that deficiency he's managed to get elected and be in power for over 3 years.

There is no best case scenario for the little potato - not that he or any of his slavish followers give a hoot.
 

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Communicate? The little potato? Surely you jest. He doesn't have a clue how to properly communicate. Face it, without his talking points and liberal bafflegab - he'd be lost as he has often proven to be when the tough questions are put to him and we are treated to him floundering about for words. Somehow in spite of that deficiency he's managed to get elected and be in power for over 3 years.

There is no best case scenario for the little potato - not that he or any of his slavish followers give a hoot.


Arrogance will be remembered as this governments undoing.
 

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Communicate? The little potato? Surely you jest. He doesn't have a clue how to properly communicate. Face it, without his talking points and liberal bafflegab - he'd be lost as he has often proven to be when the tough questions are put to him and we are treated to him floundering about for words. Somehow in spite of that deficiency he's managed to get elected and be in power for over 3 years.
There is no best case scenario for the little potato - not that he or any of his slavish followers give a hoot.

Marijuana does that to a developing mind. :(