Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election

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Problem is all parties do this type of calling.

The problem is that politicians just want to play politics with it. And the more people that jump on the partisan bandwagon, either side of the issue, the less of a chance that we'll actually get to the bottom of it. Because no matter how it plays out in the end, everyone will have already made up their minds.

Personally, I'd like to find out exactly what happened and put a stop to it. Period. I don't care who takes the fall for it as long as it is the actual guilty party.
 

CDNBear

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Elections Canada and the RCMP will only be looking to see if charges are warranted. An Inquiry looks at it all - From Robo calls that are untraceable to all the other dirty crap that all parties play.
All parties?

Seems to me, the call is to make sure the CPC is found guilty. Since according so many in this thread, they already are.
 

CDNBear

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An Inquiry is impartial.
Are you saying the RCMP and Elections Canada isn't?

I read the link to the petition. It's demands are as impartial as the Usual Suspects.

Inquiries usually have a target, ie: Gomery. If an Inquiry, like the one the petition is looking for is convened, it's target will be the CPC.

If someone comes up with a petition, calling for an inquiry, into electoral misconduct, by all parties, let me know.
 

CDNBear

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What is this obsession some have with going off half-cocked?

Full cocked is way better, lol. ;)
I think it has something to do with fumbling around with a pitchfork in one hand, a torch in the other. While the villagers gather before they march on the castle, to kill the monster.
 

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Are you saying the RCMP and Elections Canada isn't?

I read the link to the petition. It's demands are as impartial as the Usual Suspects.

Inquiries usually have a target, ie: Gomery. If an Inquiry, like the one the petition is looking for is convened, it's target will be the CPC.

If someone comes up with a petition, calling for an inquiry, into electoral misconduct, by all parties, let me know.

Andrew Coyne: All too plausible to think the Conservatives are involved in the robocall scandal | Full Comment | National Post

Here is a list of some of the things we do not know about the Robocon scandal (for those just joining us, the use of live or automated “robocalls” to harass or deceive — con — voters in certain ridings during the last election). We do not know whether the calls were made by members of the Conservative party. We do not know whether any Conservative authorized them, or even knew about them. We do not know whether anyone was prevented from voting, or had their vote changed, as a result, nor do we know whether the results of any riding were affected.

But my God, what we know is disturbing enough. There were not a few calls: there were thousands. They did not occur in one or two ridings: there were at least 18 of them, scattered across the country. In all but one the race was viewed as being between a Conservative and a Liberal, and in every one the calls were made to Liberal supporters. (The NDP now claims to have found nine ridings in which its own supporters received similar calls. These remain to be verified.) In some cases voters were given false information on where to vote by someone pretending to represent Elections Canada. In others, they were annoyed or insulted by calls purporting to come from the Liberal party.

So, no, we do not know for a fact that the calls came from anyone acting on the authority of the Conservative party. But, well, let’s say it fits a pattern — if not of outright lawbreaking then certainly of close-to-the-wind tactics and ends-justify-the-means ethics. The “in and out” affair may not have been the scandal many, including Elections Canada, thought it was, but it hardly spoke of a robust commitment to honesty and fair play. The deceptive calls to voters in Irwin Cotler’s riding of Mount Royal are a still closer precedent. It is not implausible that somebody connected with the party would have taken their cues as to what was considered appropriate behaviour, and run with it.

But who? It beggars belief that local campaign workers in 18 different ridings could have separately hit upon the same scam, or carried it out without the knowledge of anyone outside the riding. The notion that the whole thing could be put down to one over-zealous young campaign worker, as some are putting about, is even less credible. Whoever did this would not only have to have the capacity to organize and fund a national robocalling operation. They would also have to have the lists of names and phone numbers to call. Such information would be closely held with respect to the party’s own supporters. But how many people in the party would have access to lists of Liberal supporters? And how did they get them?
 

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Andrew Coyne: All too plausible to think the Conservatives are involved in the robocall scandal | Full Comment | National Post

Here is a list of some of the things we do not know about the Robocon scandal (for those just joining us, the use of live or automated “robocalls” to harass or deceive — con — voters in certain ridings during the last election). We do not know whether the calls were made by members of the Conservative party. We do not know whether any Conservative authorized them, or even knew about them. We do not know whether anyone was prevented from voting, or had their vote changed, as a result, nor do we know whether the results of any riding were affected.

But my God, what we know is disturbing enough. There were not a few calls: there were thousands. They did not occur in one or two ridings: there were at least 18 of them, scattered across the country. In all but one the race was viewed as being between a Conservative and a Liberal, and in every one the calls were made to Liberal supporters. (The NDP now claims to have found nine ridings in which its own supporters received similar calls. These remain to be verified.) In some cases voters were given false information on where to vote by someone pretending to represent Elections Canada. In others, they were annoyed or insulted by calls purporting to come from the Liberal party.

So, no, we do not know for a fact that the calls came from anyone acting on the authority of the Conservative party. But, well, let’s say it fits a pattern — if not of outright lawbreaking then certainly of close-to-the-wind tactics and ends-justify-the-means ethics. The “in and out” affair may not have been the scandal many, including Elections Canada, thought it was, but it hardly spoke of a robust commitment to honesty and fair play. The deceptive calls to voters in Irwin Cotler’s riding of Mount Royal are a still closer precedent. It is not implausible that somebody connected with the party would have taken their cues as to what was considered appropriate behaviour, and run with it.

But who? It beggars belief that local campaign workers in 18 different ridings could have separately hit upon the same scam, or carried it out without the knowledge of anyone outside the riding. The notion that the whole thing could be put down to one over-zealous young campaign worker, as some are putting about, is even less credible. Whoever did this would not only have to have the capacity to organize and fund a national robocalling operation. They would also have to have the lists of names and phone numbers to call. Such information would be closely held with respect to the party’s own supporters. But how many people in the party would have access to lists of Liberal supporters? And how did they get them?
Are you asking me to make up my mind, or trying to change my mind, with an OP/Ed piece?

Goob's got a half chub.

Why don't you guys (and gal) go after him?
Ya, but he's not a partisan hack like you. So we can still hold down a reasoned conversation with him.

You should just concentrate on hanging on to your pitchfork and torch at the same time, without hurting yourself.

 
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Goob's got a half chub.

Why don't you guys (and gal) go after him?

Well thank you.
The petition is biased. No one can deny that and no one can defend it.

I signed it for some reasons

To many political games played by all Parties that cross the line.

Neither Elections Canada or the RCMP can address what is not Illegal.

An inquiry can.

Make Robo calls during an election traceable - Those that fail to do so would be subject to a charge under the Criminal Code and as Harper likes min sentences - 2 years min - no conditional sentences allowed.

Any person breaking these laws would be prohibited from running in any - any election for 10 years.

Not able to sit on any board etc of any Political Party.

The Party - Candidate - would be subjected to a substantial fine.