Conservative Party Convention
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When thinking of Orchard I always seem to remember a quote from the great political strategist Kang who said, "The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work again."
Orchard failed in his attempt to takeover the weakened PC Party and is now a man that no political party wants.
He's a one trick pony that has dedicated his life to breakingdown NAFTA, an issue that even big union leaders admit has been good for the Canadian economy.
He doesn't even register as a blip on Mr. Harper's radar.
Orchard failed in his attempt to takeover the weakened PC Party and is now a man that no political party wants.
He's a one trick pony that has dedicated his life to breakingdown NAFTA, an issue that even big union leaders admit has been good for the Canadian economy.
He doesn't even register as a blip on Mr. Harper's radar.
Oh go ahead and use the word hate, its really what your all about anyway, your not fooling most of us here. :wink: but go ahead pretend your "morality" is of high standing. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm saying outright that Harper and his neo-conservative (they call them neo-liberals on the rest of the planet btw) buddies are radicals, Jay. I'll go further than that though. Their radical economic policies are the same as the ones that caused the economic collapse of Argentina. Their radical Christian policies are the ones that have polarized the American electorate to the point it is.
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Remember when the Argentine economy collapsed a few years ago? They closed the banks, went through a president a day, and had riots on the street.
Menem, the leader of Argentina at that time, entered into every free-market deal he could find. He privatized everything, doled out huge amounts of corporate welfare, encouraged massive foreign ownership, and removed almost all the restrictions on the movement of money.
The Woreld Bank and the IMF loved it. Menem was their poster boy. The US loved him too, especially the Bushites. The corporate world hailed him as the saviour of the developing world.
Things went sour because wages kept going down and corporate profits kept going elsewhere. If the workers talked back, the factories closed. Those same factories were propped up with government money and contracts. Eventually the government ran out of money, so the factories closed. Since there were no regulations, the corporations fled the country with the cash. People went hungry because the social system had been dismantled. Argentina went broke.
It was like a map of the failings of neo-conservative doctrine. It received almost no press coverage...a formerly prosperous country forced into bankruptcy and the corporate media hardly covered it. What coverage there was carefully skirted the policies at the base of the collapse.
The Argentine economy was, at its heart, not much different than the Canadian economy.
Remember when the Argentine economy collapsed a few years ago? They closed the banks, went through a president a day, and had riots on the street.
Menem, the leader of Argentina at that time, entered into every free-market deal he could find. He privatized everything, doled out huge amounts of corporate welfare, encouraged massive foreign ownership, and removed almost all the restrictions on the movement of money.
The Woreld Bank and the IMF loved it. Menem was their poster boy. The US loved him too, especially the Bushites. The corporate world hailed him as the saviour of the developing world.
Things went sour because wages kept going down and corporate profits kept going elsewhere. If the workers talked back, the factories closed. Those same factories were propped up with government money and contracts. Eventually the government ran out of money, so the factories closed. Since there were no regulations, the corporations fled the country with the cash. People went hungry because the social system had been dismantled. Argentina went broke.
It was like a map of the failings of neo-conservative doctrine. It received almost no press coverage...a formerly prosperous country forced into bankruptcy and the corporate media hardly covered it. What coverage there was carefully skirted the policies at the base of the collapse.
The Argentine economy was, at its heart, not much different than the Canadian economy.
Blah! I am going to start posting some of the "INTERESTING" views that these so called "conservatives" have over at the dommion board...and you decide for yourself, if you want these wackos running your country.
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Check the policies and the history Jay, you'll find that it's a point of view with facts to back it up.
Check the policies and the history Jay, you'll find that it's a point of view with facts to back it up.
Now while that is certainly a creative interpretation of the Argentinean economic crisis, for those that are interested in the real reason for its collapse, it came about as a result of an country pegging its currency to another unrelated currency in order to reign in inflation.
While in the short-term, this can have a stabilizing effect on the country's currency problems, eventually, by virtue of the fact that the currencies operate under completely different market conditions, changes to conditions of the currency being pegged to can have disastrous effects on the unrelated economy of the country that has done the pegging.
The trouble starts when the currency that the country pegs to starts to rise in value, which forces the country's own currency to rise as well. This damages the export market as the prices of the country's goods rises to others in its trading region. Think of it as an Argentinean wingnuts suddenly rising from $1 to $2 for its Brazilian customers. Demand for its exports suddenly drop causing havoc to a country's economy.
Because the central bank of the country has a policy of exchanging its own currency to the pegged to currency at a defined rate in order to maintain equivilancy and legitimacy to its monetary policy, when an economic crisis occurs, there is a sudden run on the central bank's reserves from those that hold the country's currency. If this run is prolonged and the country depletes its reserves, then you have an monetary crisis on your hands. The only solution is to stop pegging your currency in order to devalue it to meet the conditions in your country's markets. This has the reducing the purchasing power of you money, and to reduce the value of investments in your country.
Or if that is too hard to follow, you could simply blame George Bush :roll: .
While in the short-term, this can have a stabilizing effect on the country's currency problems, eventually, by virtue of the fact that the currencies operate under completely different market conditions, changes to conditions of the currency being pegged to can have disastrous effects on the unrelated economy of the country that has done the pegging.
The trouble starts when the currency that the country pegs to starts to rise in value, which forces the country's own currency to rise as well. This damages the export market as the prices of the country's goods rises to others in its trading region. Think of it as an Argentinean wingnuts suddenly rising from $1 to $2 for its Brazilian customers. Demand for its exports suddenly drop causing havoc to a country's economy.
Because the central bank of the country has a policy of exchanging its own currency to the pegged to currency at a defined rate in order to maintain equivilancy and legitimacy to its monetary policy, when an economic crisis occurs, there is a sudden run on the central bank's reserves from those that hold the country's currency. If this run is prolonged and the country depletes its reserves, then you have an monetary crisis on your hands. The only solution is to stop pegging your currency in order to devalue it to meet the conditions in your country's markets. This has the reducing the purchasing power of you money, and to reduce the value of investments in your country.
Or if that is too hard to follow, you could simply blame George Bush :roll: .
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Actually the Americans, through the IMF and World Bank, encouraged the currency to be pegged. That was one of many problems. All of those problems are directly related to neo-conservative/neo-liberal doctrine.
Don't take Dukee's word for though it...research it yourself. You'll find everything I said is true.
Actually the Americans, through the IMF and World Bank, encouraged the currency to be pegged. That was one of many problems. All of those problems are directly related to neo-conservative/neo-liberal doctrine.
Don't take Dukee's word for though it...research it yourself. You'll find everything I said is true.
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In doing so, you'll probably notice how in the four years before the currency crisis, their economy was growing at a rate of 7.7% a year.
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In doing so, you'll probably notice how in the four years before the currency crisis, their economy was growing at a rate of 7.7% a year.
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That wasn't real growth though Dukee. The corporate profits were going offshore, the government was funding huge amounts of corporate welfare, and the middle class was collapsing.
Jay, Before he was Alliance leader, Harper was part of a think tank that wanted us to adopt the US dollar. Neo-conservative policies lead to an increased debt load.
That wasn't real growth though Dukee. The corporate profits were going offshore, the government was funding huge amounts of corporate welfare, and the middle class was collapsing.
Jay, Before he was Alliance leader, Harper was part of a think tank that wanted us to adopt the US dollar. Neo-conservative policies lead to an increased debt load.
"Jay, Before he was Alliance leader, Harper was part of a think tank that wanted us to adopt the US dollar. Neo-conservative policies lead to an increased debt load."
There is a huge difference between adopting a dollar, and pegging your currency to another dollar.
If this is a neo-conservative idea, then the EU is a neo-conservative idea.
I don't see how lower taxes and smaller government increase debt loads, I do see however how high taxes, socialism and increased government spending lend to increased debt loads over all.
There is a huge difference between adopting a dollar, and pegging your currency to another dollar.
If this is a neo-conservative idea, then the EU is a neo-conservative idea.
I don't see how lower taxes and smaller government increase debt loads, I do see however how high taxes, socialism and increased government spending lend to increased debt loads over all.
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Look at the US debt. The neo-conservatism in action. Look at the debt crisis in the developing world...much of that happened after they adopted neo-conservative policies mandated by the IMF and World Bank. Neo-conservative policies lead to debt for the country and increased poverty for the people.
Suggesting that Canada, with or without Mexico, adopting the US dollar is in any way similar to the Euro in the EU is ridiculous. Any decisions about the US dollar would be made in the US for the benefit of the US. What Canada needed would be completely immaterial. We would have no input.
Look at the US debt. The neo-conservatism in action. Look at the debt crisis in the developing world...much of that happened after they adopted neo-conservative policies mandated by the IMF and World Bank. Neo-conservative policies lead to debt for the country and increased poverty for the people.
Suggesting that Canada, with or without Mexico, adopting the US dollar is in any way similar to the Euro in the EU is ridiculous. Any decisions about the US dollar would be made in the US for the benefit of the US. What Canada needed would be completely immaterial. We would have no input.
"What Canada needed would be completely immaterial. We would have no input."
We could easily borrow and borrow and spend, spend, spend, This would inflate the American dollar.
We would have power in it. No doubt.
The EU is a collection of states using the same currency, with a central power.
We could easily borrow and borrow and spend, spend, spend, This would inflate the American dollar.
We would have power in it. No doubt.
The EU is a collection of states using the same currency, with a central power.
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The EU took great care to limit the influence of its largest states over the greater EU economy. That isn't always great for countries like Germany, but it is fair. The US would not allow itself to be controlled like that.
Why is it that you neo-cons like borrowing so much? How much influence do think a country like Canada can have over the US, which is ten times our size.
The EU took great care to limit the influence of its largest states over the greater EU economy. That isn't always great for countries like Germany, but it is fair. The US would not allow itself to be controlled like that.
Why is it that you neo-cons like borrowing so much? How much influence do think a country like Canada can have over the US, which is ten times our size.