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Conservative Party Convention
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I see Peter McKay had a hissy fit this morning. I see this new "Conservative Party" imploding in on itself pretty quickly. The other funny thing is, since the last election the Conservatives have not moved up in the polls either.
The Conservative Party always seems to be it's own worst enemy. Especially with Cheryl Gallant shooting her mouth off. Saying lies like Legalizing Marijuana, Lowering age of sexual consent , comparing abortion to terrorists etc. No wonder they never get elected. They are full of "crackpots".
I see Peter McKay had a hissy fit this morning. I see this new "Conservative Party" imploding in on itself pretty quickly. The other funny thing is, since the last election the Conservatives have not moved up in the polls either.
The Conservative Party always seems to be it's own worst enemy. Especially with Cheryl Gallant shooting her mouth off. Saying lies like Legalizing Marijuana, Lowering age of sexual consent , comparing abortion to terrorists etc. No wonder they never get elected. They are full of "crackpots".
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I noticed during Harper's speech that reaction went down noticably when he switched to French. I also noticed that Preston Manning was slow to clap a couple of times.
I noticed during Harper's speech that reaction went down noticably when he switched to French. I also noticed that Preston Manning was slow to clap a couple of times.
A link or two...
MacKay Warns Against Alliance Takeover
“Harper you suck, but do you swallow?”
"We are witnessing the unqualified conquest of the Reform-Alliance over the Progressive Conservatives."
Here's a question for the Harperites on the board....The convention is being held in Quebec in an attempt to gain support there. So why is Harper yammering about defining marriage as "one man, one woman" and saying that we should have "stayed at the table" on BMD? Those two issues alone are enough to get him run out of the province. Is he really that totally inept?
MacKay Warns Against Alliance Takeover
“Harper you suck, but do you swallow?”
"We are witnessing the unqualified conquest of the Reform-Alliance over the Progressive Conservatives."
Here's a question for the Harperites on the board....The convention is being held in Quebec in an attempt to gain support there. So why is Harper yammering about defining marriage as "one man, one woman" and saying that we should have "stayed at the table" on BMD? Those two issues alone are enough to get him run out of the province. Is he really that totally inept?
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It looks like, and I'm not sure because they had some sort of issue with their machines, but it looks like they've voted down a proposal to appoint a citizens' committee to look at proportional representation.
What happened to being democratic and listening to the people.
It looks like, and I'm not sure because they had some sort of issue with their machines, but it looks like they've voted down a proposal to appoint a citizens' committee to look at proportional representation.
What happened to being democratic and listening to the people.
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After the shennanigans of this weekend they have not done themselves any favours, especially towards people who may be looking for an alternative to the Libs or Bloc to vote for. They are trying to be too much like the Republicans in America, and that type of politics is not as popular in Canada.
They seem to have a lot of extremists and I believe there are not that many type of people in Canada to vote for them, let alone to give them a majority. The "neocons" are nowhere near as strong or have a following like they do in America.
The only way the Conservatives will ever form a government is if Paul Martin does something absolutley stupid or ridiculous. Even with the "sponsorship scandal" the Liberals have yet to be really hurt by anything. (yeah they got a miniority, but Canadians have short memories)
Even if Quebec still elects the same amount of Bloc next time, I honestly believe the Federal Liberals will pick up enough seats to form a majority next time.
After the shennanigans of this weekend they have not done themselves any favours, especially towards people who may be looking for an alternative to the Libs or Bloc to vote for. They are trying to be too much like the Republicans in America, and that type of politics is not as popular in Canada.
They seem to have a lot of extremists and I believe there are not that many type of people in Canada to vote for them, let alone to give them a majority. The "neocons" are nowhere near as strong or have a following like they do in America.
The only way the Conservatives will ever form a government is if Paul Martin does something absolutley stupid or ridiculous. Even with the "sponsorship scandal" the Liberals have yet to be really hurt by anything. (yeah they got a miniority, but Canadians have short memories)
Even if Quebec still elects the same amount of Bloc next time, I honestly believe the Federal Liberals will pick up enough seats to form a majority next time.
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So what's the deal with the chair kicking? At the very US-style press conference at the end of the convention one reporter asked Harper why he kicked a chair backstage yesterday, not once but twice, after his rehearsal speech. He moved on to the next question without even fully acknowledging the chair-kicking incident.
It makes you wonder though...Is that any way for a grown man to act? What did the chair do to Harper? Is a politican who would act like that in a venue crawling with press competent enough to lead? Is he a possible danger to himself and to others?
So what's the deal with the chair kicking? At the very US-style press conference at the end of the convention one reporter asked Harper why he kicked a chair backstage yesterday, not once but twice, after his rehearsal speech. He moved on to the next question without even fully acknowledging the chair-kicking incident.
It makes you wonder though...Is that any way for a grown man to act? What did the chair do to Harper? Is a politican who would act like that in a venue crawling with press competent enough to lead? Is he a possible danger to himself and to others?
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It is just silly. They are terrified of him because he represents little things...like the fact that Petey is a double-crossing liar and that the Conservatives have their roots more deeply planted in the Republican Party that traditional Canadian conservatism.
It is just silly. They are terrified of him because he represents little things...like the fact that Petey is a double-crossing liar and that the Conservatives have their roots more deeply planted in the Republican Party that traditional Canadian conservatism.
Heh...the chair kicking incident is rather funny. I read that Harper answered another question about it by saying "I honestly don't remember, I think I also kicked a few balloons." I wonder what would happen if he were ever elected and went to Washington for high profile negociations and didn't get his way...the shit would hit the fan, both figuratively and literally.
The stauncher the Conservatives become with their anti SSM stance, the sillier they look...it would actually be pretty funny to watch them try to figure things out, and when they do finally figure things out, get them all wron if it weren't for the fact that these guys are the Official Opposition.
I just can't fathom them forming government any time soon -- they kick chairs, have their deputy leader publicly muse about he party imploding and haven't gone up in the polls in some six months.
Just keep at it, guys.
The stauncher the Conservatives become with their anti SSM stance, the sillier they look...it would actually be pretty funny to watch them try to figure things out, and when they do finally figure things out, get them all wron if it weren't for the fact that these guys are the Official Opposition.
I just can't fathom them forming government any time soon -- they kick chairs, have their deputy leader publicly muse about he party imploding and haven't gone up in the polls in some six months.
Just keep at it, guys.
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They lucked out on the abortion thing too...only two-thirds of people eligible to vote were there. Most of the absent ones were from west. Throw them back into the mix and the Conservatives would be fighting the next election on an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-BMD platform.
As it is they'll never win a seat in Quebec, but if they would have come out anti-everything but war, the party would have split for sure.
They lucked out on the abortion thing too...only two-thirds of people eligible to vote were there. Most of the absent ones were from west. Throw them back into the mix and the Conservatives would be fighting the next election on an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-BMD platform.
As it is they'll never win a seat in Quebec, but if they would have come out anti-everything but war, the party would have split for sure.
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Rev, I saw an interview with Peter MacKay on CPAC basically saying the same as you re the policy on social issues. I thought their stance was more honest and more democratic than that of any other party. They recognized that all Canadians, similarly all conservative party members were divided over issues such as abortion. Their "policy" was that they would not introduce any motions regarding these issues in the House of Commons, and if voting on a motion brought forward by others, they would be allowed to vote according to their conscience. All this means is that you would want to know the personal opinion of your local representative before any election. Is it somehow more righteous or democratic to have a policy dictated from above to MP's, who then are bound to toe the 'party line'?
Reverend Blair said:
Rev, I saw an interview with Peter MacKay on CPAC basically saying the same as you re the policy on social issues. I thought their stance was more honest and more democratic than that of any other party. They recognized that all Canadians, similarly all conservative party members were divided over issues such as abortion. Their "policy" was that they would not introduce any motions regarding these issues in the House of Commons, and if voting on a motion brought forward by others, they would be allowed to vote according to their conscience. All this means is that you would want to know the personal opinion of your local representative before any election. Is it somehow more righteous or democratic to have a policy dictated from above to MP's, who then are bound to toe the 'party line'?
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Given our system, which the Conservatives voted not to reform this past weekend, a party not having a cohesive platform leaves voters unsure of what they are voting for.
In a proportional representation system, an argument could be made for your stance. In a direct democracy system, you would be right, hands down. Those are not systems we have though. We have a first past the post parliamentary system that is based on parties voting as a block. If they don't have official policies the electorate doesn't really know who it is voting for.
That is the reason that the Conservatives decided to vote on social issues in the end. The way they voted on those issues revealed that the charges of them having a hidden agenda during the last election to be more accurate than not.
Given our system, which the Conservatives voted not to reform this past weekend, a party not having a cohesive platform leaves voters unsure of what they are voting for.
In a proportional representation system, an argument could be made for your stance. In a direct democracy system, you would be right, hands down. Those are not systems we have though. We have a first past the post parliamentary system that is based on parties voting as a block. If they don't have official policies the electorate doesn't really know who it is voting for.
That is the reason that the Conservatives decided to vote on social issues in the end. The way they voted on those issues revealed that the charges of them having a hidden agenda during the last election to be more accurate than not.
Have you noticed the slow push to the right?
Won't take a firm chance on SSM.
Won't take a firm stance on abortion.
Won't take a firm stance on BMD.
Now:
Staunchly anti SSM
Still no firm stance on abortion
Giving the impression they'd support BMD.
Won't take a firm chance on SSM.
Won't take a firm stance on abortion.
Won't take a firm stance on BMD.
Now:
Staunchly anti SSM
Still no firm stance on abortion
Giving the impression they'd support BMD.
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I've noticed, Kevin. The PCs have been shoved aside and the policies are looking exactly old Reform/Alliance policies. The hidden agenda isn't hidden anymore. The agenda has't changed though.
The big problem is that the media isn't calling them on it.
I've noticed, Kevin. The PCs have been shoved aside and the policies are looking exactly old Reform/Alliance policies. The hidden agenda isn't hidden anymore. The agenda has't changed though.
The big problem is that the media isn't calling them on it.
Québecers will never allow a Conservative Party to gain seats in their province. It's a fact. It's just SOOOO not us!
Québecers are sick of having to defends themselves in this sick democracy system. Sovereighty is the solution in having a democracy system that WORKS.
Can someone understand our difference?
Québecers are sick of having to defends themselves in this sick democracy system. Sovereighty is the solution in having a democracy system that WORKS.
Can someone understand our difference?
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He ran for the leadership of the PCs, then he ran for the leadership of the Conservatives after the hostile takeover. His membership is paid up.
The policies he espouses are very close to those that Canadian conservatism was founded on, far closer than the policies of Stephen Harper are.
So it would seem that he is indeed a conservative. That's likely why Stevie Harper is afraid of him.
He ran for the leadership of the PCs, then he ran for the leadership of the Conservatives after the hostile takeover. His membership is paid up.
The policies he espouses are very close to those that Canadian conservatism was founded on, far closer than the policies of Stephen Harper are.
So it would seem that he is indeed a conservative. That's likely why Stevie Harper is afraid of him.