Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrites!

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

The name is derry. Cut it out with the rev crap, you had enough jollies bashing him. Stop trolling these thread looking for him, and post what you have to say.

Whatever,

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

if you think the gas price is high now, Kyoto will double or triple it if, God forbid, Kyoto is implemented.

By the oil industries own estimates, Kyoto will only add between 7 and 25 cents a barrel, depending on the extraction method. The claims of the prices doubling because of Kyoto are fearmongering lies.

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Only in your opinion.

Nope, according to polls Mulroney is still the most despised.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Only in your opinion.

Nope, according to polls Mulroney is still the most despised.

What polls? Post a link, or your comments are baseless and lies.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

if you think the gas price is high now, Kyoto will double or triple it if, God forbid, Kyoto is implemented.

By the oil industries own estimates, Kyoto will only add between 7 and 25 cents a barrel, depending on the extraction method. The claims of the prices doubling because of Kyoto are fearmongering lies.

I don't believe that at all. All the reports in the heart of the oil industry says the price will skyrocket. Seven to 25 cents a BARREL? The price changes a couple of bucks a day almost, lately, so your price increase is not even valid.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

Actually the reports from the oil industry say 7 to 25 cents a barrel. It is not a percentage, so it does not fluctuate with the price. Instead it changes with the extraction method.

Unless they were perjuring themselves when speaking before Parliamentary committees, those are the estimates that the oil industry came up with. It was live on CPAC.

You may be thinking of proposed legislation to keep oil companies from using precious water to force oil out wells. That is not part of Kyoto, but has to do with aquifers that farmers and ranchers depend on being drained. If that legislation comes into being (and it is provincial, not federal) the price would be greatly affected.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

Can you answer one simple question for me? Otherwise this is going to go back and forth for a while. Do you consider yourselves British or Canadian prior to 1867?

Me personally, I cannot answer this question; my family lineage in this glorious country only dates back to 1967. However, I would think anyone born on this continent in Upper or Lower Canada would be considered Canadian. Obviously those born in Great Britain are English, Welch, Scottish, Irish and so on.

We were and are still all subjects of the monarchy. The Queen is still our sovereign so any attack against the Queen is an attack on us. That is how we were involved in WWII years before the Yanks decided to show up.

I really don't see where this is going. I just wanted to point out the fact that you declared war on us and invaded us and took part in killing us, Canadians. Sure you were technically at war against Great Britain, but it was the Canadas that were physically at war with. Otherwise why didn't you sail over to Southampton and attack there?

There is nothing one American can do to change my mind about the US government. I'm not alone in my distrust, but if I were you, I wouldn't waste time arguing with me, I'd be thinking of those folk burning American flags and chanting "Death to America"

P.S. What's your terror colour at today? Ours is green for go ahead and enjoy life in the true north strong and free!

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

That's a question that I've heard several Americans ask. I always find it funny, because they consider the Puritans etc. to be a large part of their American heritage, yet that part of their heritage pre-dated the United States by a long time.

Even the USA's founding fathers were British subjects for most of their lives, yet they considered themselves Americans long before the Declaration of Independence. George Washington had served in the British military, yet nobody doubts that he was an American.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

That's a question that I've heard several Americans ask. I always find it funny, because they consider the Puritans etc. to be a large part of their American heritage, yet that part of their heritage pre-dated the United States by a long time.

It is part of our heritage. Thats why we call them Puritans and not Americans.I think we still know the difference

Even the USA's founding fathers were British subjects for most of their lives, yet they considered themselves Americans long before the Declaration of Independence. George Washington had served in the British military, yet nobody doubts that he was an American.

Yes he was, like everyone else when the Declaration of Indepedence was signed. And before that that are referred to as colonialists, hence the colonial army. Not Americans.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

Most Americans consider them to be part of American history though, not of British history. Why can Canada, a colony that was very independent by the War 1812, not consider anything pre-1867 to be Canadian?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

Can you answer one simple question for me? Otherwise this is going to go back and forth for a while. Do you consider yourselves British or Canadian prior to 1867?

Me personally, I cannot answer this question; my family lineage in this glorious country only dates back to 1967. However, I would think anyone born on this continent in Upper or Lower Canada would be considered Canadian. Obviously those born in Great Britain are English, Welch, Scottish, Irish and so on.

Its a reasonable question to ask, since Americans were referred to as British subjects and the generation of the revolution as colonialists.

We were and are still all subjects of the monarchy. The Queen is still our sovereign so any attack against the Queen is an attack on us. That is how we were involved in WWII years before the Yanks decided to show up.

Yes I'm aware of your ties across the pond

I really don't see where this is going. I just wanted to point out the fact that you declared war on us and invaded us and took part in killing us, Canadians. Sure you were technically at war against Great Britain, but it was the Canadas that were physically at war with. Otherwise why didn't you sail over to Southampton and attack there?

Because they attacked us here. If you wish to believe the US attacked Canadians, then so be it. That indeed is part of your national identity crisis.

There is nothing one American can do to change my mind about the US government.

I wouldnt even attempt it, most people are set in their ways long before they post on boards.

I'm not alone in my distrust, but if I were you, I wouldn't waste time arguing with me, I'd be thinking of those folk burning American flags and chanting "Death to America"

Like talking to a wall I'm afraid

P.S. What's your terror colour at today? Ours is green for go ahead and enjoy life in the true north strong and free!

Ours is red, white and blue and has been long before you knew what freedom is. If you believe we live in fear, you have another thing coming. I suggest you turn off wherever you get your news from and take a quiet vacation a little south of you when the weather gets cold.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

Most Americans consider them to be part of American history though, not of British history. Why can Canada, a colony that was very independent by the War 1812, not consider anything pre-1867 to be Canadian?

Whoever said anything about it not being Canadian history? Of course it is. But you weren't Canadians throughout that history, thats all I'm saying. And I have spoken to several senior citizens in Canada and some, not all, have told me they weren't even permitted to call themselves Canadians back then, when they were in school. Were they lying? I'm speaking of before 1947.

And btw, Canada was a far cry from indepedence even after 1867, let alone 1812.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

P.S. What's your terror colour at today? Ours is green for go ahead and enjoy life in the true north strong and free!

Ours is red, white and blue and has been long before you knew what freedom is. If you believe we live in fear, you have another thing coming. I suggest you turn off wherever you get your news from and take a quiet vacation a little south of you when the weather gets cold.

I've been to half the US states (mostly Eastern ones) and although they are nice places to visit, I couldn't live there permanently.

Those who say Canada and the US are pretty much the same are dead wrong. Although on the surface, our societies look similar, mostly due to common language, sports leagues, trade and what not, but I think we are fundamentality different in the way we think. Just look at how our two nations came about, one was through violence, the other through diplomacy.

Hey, just because I don't like the States as a place to live and don't trust their government doesn't mean I'm misinformed.

As for knowing freedom, depends on how you define it. Sure your country was formed in 1776 and ours in 1867, but that doesn't mean we weren't free until then. Also it depends on who you are, I mean if you are of African decent, I would say you would have known freedom here before the States.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

P.S. What's your terror colour at today? Ours is green for go ahead and enjoy life in the true north strong and free!

Ours is red, white and blue and has been long before you knew what freedom is. If you believe we live in fear, you have another thing coming. I suggest you turn off wherever you get your news from and take a quiet vacation a little south of you when the weather gets cold.

I've been to half the US states (mostly Eastern ones) and although they are nice places to visit, I couldn't live there permanently.

Nobody suggested you live there permanently, you implied we live in fear, If you have been to the states, post 9/11, then you know better

Those who say Canada and the US are pretty much the same are dead wrong. Although on the surface, our societies look similar, mostly due to common language, sports leagues, trade and what not, but I think we are fundamentality different in the way we think. Just look at how our two nations came about, one was through violence, the other through diplomacy.

We are different in the way we think, I agree with you. To suggest however the births of Canada and the US were results of diplomacy and violence respectively, truly lacks facts

Hey, just because I don't like the States as a place to live and don't trust their government doesn't mean I'm misinformed.

Nobody said you have to like the states or the government. But you implied we live in fear, I think that means you are misinformed

As for knowing freedom, depends on how you define it. Sure your country was formed in 1776 and ours in 1867, but that doesn't mean we weren't free until then. Also it depends on who you are, I mean if you are of African decent, I would say you would have known freedom here before the States.

Well yes, depends how you do define freedom, do you use a comparison? Is it being free of restraints? And what is restraint? Laws are a form of restraint. The queen can be seen as a restraint as the US congress or the Supreme court.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

Nobody suggested you live there permanently, you implied we live in fear, If you have been to the states, post 9/11, then you know better

I've been to the States several times since 9/11, now of course I don't see a nation of panic stricken people, but there is a sense of tension in the air. You cannot tell me life in not different since then.

We are different in the way we think, I agree with you. To suggest however the births of Canada and the US were results of diplomacy and violence respectively, truly lacks facts

On the surface, i think the statements are true. The American Revolution was a war, where they was violence. We just got a bunch of guys to sail over to England and get the Queen to sign the BNA act. The mentality of violence is more prevalent in the US. Just compare the national anthems, one is a war song about bombs bursting in air and our is about glowing hearts.

Nobody said you have to like the states or the government. But you implied we live in fear, I think that means you are misinformed

I always go by first hand info, and I am basing this on my visits to the States and my discussion with Americans. Not the news, I know better.

Well yes, depends how you do define freedom, do you use a comparison? Is it being free of restraints? And what is restraint? Laws are a form of restraint. The queen can be seen as a restraint as the US congress or the Supreme court.

I think Canadians view laws as a way of providing order, not a restraint. Many Americans always point to the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms, they say we aren't free cause we don't have this freedom. I disagree; we don't have this freedom because it is a freedom we don't want. I don't feel restrained by not being able to carry a gun.

You say the Queen has been a restraint, I can't think of a time when she has ever gone against or stopped us from doing something.

I am very free here in Canada, if you can show me otherwise, I'd like to know.

 

[Gutwink]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yeah, just like all the liberals who made horribly derogatory comments about the US and George Bush.

There is difference between a political remark made about a politician who is hated around the world and yet another racial slur against an entire group based on nothing more than their ethnic heritage.

ARE YOU A RACIST?

By Ward Kendall

You might be a racist, and not even know it.

At least, it's pretty clear now that it doesn't take much effort anymore to be labeled one. Gone are the days when you had to be a hood-wearing Ku Klux Klan member, or a goose-stepping neo-NAZI to earn that appellation. Now, thanks to the power of modern liberalism and the egalitarian spirit of the multiculturalists, we can all be labeled flaming racists without even trying!

Come on, I'll show you. It's fun. It's easy. And it takes less time to do than slapping a brick upside Reginald Denny's head. Here's all you need to do: Just read down the list below, and as you do, ask yourself if you disagree with even one of the 20 statements. If you do, then congratulations! You're now a certified racist according to the liberals and the multiculturalists!

1: You must love all races, ethnic groups, cultures, and societies equally.

• If you don't, you're a racist

2: You must believe that all races should, whenever and wherever possible, interbreed with one another.

• If you don't, you're a racist

3: You must believe that all races should be intermingled throughout the world, in all countries, cities, neighborhoods, and households, whenever and wherever possible, regardless of the consequences.

• If you don't, you're a racist

4: You must believe that all races are equally good at all things, whether it concerns a game of basketball or the launching of a space mission to Mars. And you must believe this even when there is strong evidence that suggests otherwise. In that event, you must unfailingly deny such evidence exists.

• If you don't, you're a racist

5: You must believe that only people of European heritage can be racists.

• If you don't, you're a racist

6: You must believe that all races contributed equally to the formation of the United States of America.

• If you don't, you're a racist

7: You must believe that blacks, in particular, contributed more to American society and progress than what any history book reflects.

• If you don't, you're a racist

8: You must believe that whites rob and kill more blacks everyday than blacks rob and kill more whites, even though US Department of Justice crime figures indicate otherwise.

• If you don't, you're a racist

9: You must believe that Martin Luther King died with a spotless moral record to his name, even though extensive government evidence proves otherwise.

• If you don't, you're a racist

10: You must believe that anyone from another country has an unquestionable 'right' to immigrate to America, even though they may come from a country which refuses an American the 'right' to immigrate there.

• If you don't, you're a racist

11: You must never make the claim that an American-made rocket engine is 'superior' in any way to an African clay pot or a Jamaican voodoo doll under any circumstances, scientific or otherwise. Both are to be considered 'equal creations' to the rocket engine and must henceforth be defined as such.

• If you don't, you're a racist

12: You must believe that all races have 'equal good looks' and that a Bantu tribeswoman with six inch lips and a bloated belly is 'no less pretty' than the blonde-haired, blue-eyed winner of a Miss America contest.

• If you don't, you're a racist

13: Without fail, you must always add the word 'rich' in front of the phrase 'black culture' and 'Hispanic culture'.

• If you don't, you're a racist

14: You must always denounce IQ scores as 'meaningless', and claim self-righteously that "intelligence can't be measured". But if you're ever asked to name a single bit of evidence supporting the opposing claim that 'all races have equal intelligence', you're to sneer and walk away.

• If you don't, you're a racist

15: You must assert, if necessary, that 'rap music' is at least the creative equal of the entire works of Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner combined, if not the entire scope of Western civilization itself.

• If you don't, you're a racist

16: If you're ever asked to offer your opinion of Mexico, you must always proclaim it 'a great nation'. However, if you are then asked to offer substantive proof to support that claim, you must immediately change the subject.

• If you don't, you're a racist

17: You must always explode with self-righteous anger whenever you hear of a single black man killed by a white. On the other hand, you must always remain silent when whites are the victims of blacks, especially if the crime was racially motivated.

• If you don't, you're a racist

18: You must temporarily accept the fact that a white man was the first to walk upon the moon—at least until black revisionists have had the time to rewrite that unpalatable truth. Afterward, you must then support their new historical version, without question.

• If you don't, you're a racist

19: You must believe that blacks and Latinos have a permanent claim on white society—a claim that demands that whites provide them with an endless stream of jobs that their skills did not merit, with favored entrance into top universities that their sub-standard test scores did not earn, and, most of all, with a growing voice in the future of this nation that their inferior culture, moral values, and nominal contributions to society do not justify.

• If you don't, you're a racist

20: And, finally, you must believe that the world would be better off without Euro-ethnic people, culture, science, technology, art, music, medicine, and philosophy.

• If you don't, you're a racist

So, are you a racist?

 

[I think not]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

Yep, seems like I'm one

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

Seems to me like the article was likely written by a racist who had been caught being a racist. I'll go even further and venture that it was a Republican racisit that wrote it.

 

[DasFX]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

ARE YOU A RACIST?

1: You must love all races, ethnic groups, cultures, and societies equally.

• I cannot say I love every race, but I won't hate someone based on only their race. Also, I don't think I've been exposed to all societies, races, ethnic groups and cultures to make a proper judgment.

2: You must believe that all races should, whenever and wherever possible, interbreed with one another.

• Should is the wrong word, they should be able if they so choose

3: You must believe that all races should be intermingled throughout the world, in all countries, cities, neighborhoods, and households, whenever and wherever possible, regardless of the consequences.

• I don't think they should be any barriers to prevent such intermingling, but I don't think it should be forced.

4: You must believe that all races are equally good at all things, whether it concerns a game of basketball or the launching of a space mission to Mars. And you must believe this even when there is strong evidence that suggests otherwise. In that event, you must unfailingly deny such evidence exists.

• To believe this would force someone to disregard genetics

5: You must believe that only people of European heritage can be racists.

• Of course everyone is capable of racism

6: You must believe that all races contributed equally to the formation of the United States of America.

• To believe this would disregard history. I mean, every race wasn't even around (in the US) back then.

7: You must believe that blacks, in particular, contributed more to American society and progress than what any history book reflects.

• Not everything in the history book is true or accurate so it depends on the book.

8: You must believe that whites rob and kill more blacks everyday than blacks rob and kill more whites, even though US Department of Justice crime figures indicate otherwise.

• Haven't seen the official stats

9: You must believe that Martin Luther King died with a spotless moral record to his name, even though extensive government evidence proves otherwise.

• Don't know enough to comment. Nobody has a spotless moral record, or atleast very few do.

10: You must believe that anyone from another country has an unquestionable 'right' to immigrate to America, even though they may come from a country which refuses an American the 'right' to immigrate there.

• This is politics. You should accept people based on who they are and not where they come from.

11: You must never make the claim that an American-made rocket engine is 'superior' in any way to an African clay pot or a Jamaican voodoo doll under any circumstances, scientific or otherwise. Both are to be considered 'equal creations' to the rocket engine and must henceforth be defined as such.

• I can even start to comment on this one.

12: You must believe that all races have 'equal good looks' and that a Bantu tribeswoman with six inch lips and a bloated belly is 'no less pretty' than the blonde-haired, blue-eyed winner of a Miss America contest.

• Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure to the Bantu tribesman, the former is more beautiful to the latter.

13: Without fail, you must always add the word 'rich' in front of the phrase 'black culture' and 'Hispanic culture'.

• This is indicative of the inferiority complex that exists in these people

14: You must always denounce IQ scores as 'meaningless', and claim self-righteously that "intelligence can't be measured". But if you're ever asked to name a single bit of evidence supporting the opposing claim that 'all races have equal intelligence', you're to sneer and walk away.

• IQ is not the most accurate way to measure intelligence. I don't think it is race dependant; there are idiots in every race.

15: You must assert, if necessary, that 'rap music' is at least the creative equal of the entire works of Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner combined, if not the entire scope of Western civilization itself.

• This is based on taste

16: If you're ever asked to offer your opinion of Mexico, you must always proclaim it 'a great nation'. However, if you are then asked to offer substantive proof to support that claim, you must immediately change the subject.

• No comment

17: You must always explode with self-righteous anger whenever you hear of a single black man killed by a white. On the other hand, you must always remain silent when whites are the victims of blacks, especially if the crime was racially motivated.

• This is stupid

18: You must temporarily accept the fact that a white man was the first to walk upon the moon—at least until black revisionists have had the time to rewrite that unpalatable truth. Afterward, you must then support their new historical version, without question.

• Stupid again

19: You must believe that blacks and Latinos have a permanent claim on white society—a claim that demands that whites provide them with an endless stream of jobs that their skills did not merit, with favored entrance into top universities that their sub-standard test scores did not earn, and, most of all, with a growing voice in the future of this nation that their inferior culture, moral values, and nominal contributions to society do not justify.

• Affirmative action is crap!

20: And, finally, you must believe that the world would be better off without Euro-ethnic people, culture, science, technology, art, music, medicine, and philosophy.

• No, but you can't assume that without the Europeans that these things wouldn't have still been discovered/developed.

So, are you a racist? Who knows!

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

Ours is red, white and blue and has been long before you knew what freedom is. If you believe we live in fear, you have another thing coming. I suggest you turn off wherever you get your news from and take a quiet vacation a little south of you when the weather gets cold.

I will be in Connecticut next month. I'm looking forward to the trip, and eating lots of seafood.

If they let you out of the seniors home for awhile, we can hook up. :wink: