Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrites!

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

I'm not buying it, Blueboy. You've bought into the myth that we are dependent on the US and have no sovereignty worth saving. It's crap, but it's the kind of crap that has been bankrupting farmers since Reagan decided that raping the world was good for business, so I'm not surprised that you'd buy into it.

First of all, do not even pretend to assume you know what I think, you have not that capability. Secondly, with the ability to think for myself, I can look at both sides of every issue, something you cannot do with your hatred of the right and anything to do with the US. That is to your detriment. :twisted:

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

Hey, the ritual spewing of platitudes. Somebody told me you'd give that a shot.

 

[zenfisher]

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And just how long do you think it would take for all these other countries to come to Canadas aid? And what would they all want in return? Or do you honestly think that these countries would come running to our aid out of the goodness of their hearts? How naive, and how scarey. :twisted:

As Canada is a member of NATO, many nations would aid Canada. Just as it was NATO planes flying over the US after 911....Not to mention other organizations that Canada belongs to, which although not obligated, would likely assist.

 

[DasFX]

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I hope you are right. But I don't fall for that "we have no enemies so why would anyone go after us" stuff either. I think if something happened, we would be looking for the US for a response. :twisted:

If we do have enemies, we are mostly likely enemies by association. The US is only concerned with itself. Everything it does provides some gain for them. They've taken the horrific event of 9/11 and used it as a carte blanche to do whatever they want. I mean we even signed a pact enabling US soldiers to enter Canada in the event of an emergency. Do you think the agreement works both ways? No!

If the US was so concerned with our country, people, economy, why is the boarder still close to our cattle? Why is the softwood lumber issue still open? The US would slit our throats in a heartbeat.

 

[bluealberta]

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Hey, the ritual spewing of platitudes. Somebody told me you'd give that a shot.

Somebody like a reverend for example? You are so transparent, and as far as platitudes and cliches, well, you are the master.

Keep in mind the US and Canada do a billion dollars of trade per day, so it certainly is not in our best interest to piss them off.

 

[I think not]

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I hope you are right. But I don't fall for that "we have no enemies so why would anyone go after us" stuff either. I think if something happened, we would be looking for the US for a response. :twisted:

If we do have enemies, we are mostly likely enemies by association. The US is only concerned with itself. Everything it does provides some gain for them. They've taken the horrific event of 9/11 and used it as a carte blanche to do whatever they want. I mean we even signed a pact enabling US soldiers to enter Canada in the event of an emergency. Do you think the agreement works both ways? No!

I've always been curious about that agreement DasFX, do you have a link by any chance?

If the US was so concerned with our country, people, economy, why is the boarder still close to our cattle? Why is the softwood lumber issue still open? The US would slit our throats in a heartbeat.

When you're negative about something, you can never see anything positive. You pick on 3 or 4 issues and totally disregard the $1 billion in trade every single day. And why haven't we slit your throats yet?

 

[bluealberta]

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I hope you are right. But I don't fall for that "we have no enemies so why would anyone go after us" stuff either. I think if something happened, we would be looking for the US for a response. :twisted:

If we do have enemies, we are mostly likely enemies by association. The US is only concerned with itself. Everything it does provides some gain for them. They've taken the horrific event of 9/11 and used it as a carte blanche to do whatever they want. I mean we even signed a pact enabling US soldiers to enter Canada in the event of an emergency. Do you think the agreement works both ways? No!

If the US was so concerned with our country, people, economy, why is the boarder still close to our cattle? Why is the softwood lumber issue still open? The US would slit our throats in a heartbeat.

Perhaps if our government and its officials would quit going out of their way to poke a stick in the US eye, these would not be still unresolved. Listen I don't agree with everything they do, but then I don't always agree with my best friend, either. That doesn't mean that on the odd occasion I disagree with my friend that I insult him. The Canadian government, sadly, does not know this lesson. :twisted:

 

[DasFX]

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I hope you are right. But I don't fall for that "we have no enemies so why would anyone go after us" stuff either. I think if something happened, we would be looking for the US for a response. :twisted:

If we do have enemies, we are mostly likely enemies by association. The US is only concerned with itself. Everything it does provides some gain for them. They've taken the horrific event of 9/11 and used it as a carte blanche to do whatever they want. I mean we even signed a pact enabling US soldiers to enter Canada in the event of an emergency. Do you think the agreement works both ways? No!

I've always been curious about that agreement DasFX, do you have a link by any chance?

If the US was so concerned with our country, people, economy, why is the boarder still close to our cattle? Why is the softwood lumber issue still open? The US would slit our throats in a heartbeat.

When you're negative about something, you can never see anything positive. You pick on 3 or 4 issues and totally disregard the $1 billion in trade every single day. And why haven't we slit your throats yet?

I don't dislike the American people, for the most part they are clueless and/or victims of propaganda. What do you expect will happen when your only information on the world comes from FOX News?

I do not trust the American government. I am not oblivious to the vast amount of trade we do each day, but that really is a consequence of having a 4000 km boarder. The US will trade with anyone if they can make money. I don't consider us special because of the trade. You stick any country this close to them and they will do the same.

As for throat slitting, it will happen. So far there have only been some exploratory slices here and there. Canada capitulates before any real harm can be done. Should and when Canada finally says no, perhaps on something to do with our ever more important water, gas, oil and electricity reserves, the knife will come out.

The one thing that saves Canadians is that our proximity has enabled some Americans to know who we are first hand. Unlike Iraq, where Yanks only get their info from embedded journalists, the invasion of Canada would be a much harder sell.

How can I as a Canadian truly trust the only nation to ever attack and invade us?

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

Don't you think it's insulting as hell for the US to lose in front of trade tribunal after trade tribunal and not bother to abide by their rulings? Don't you think it's insulting for the US to launch suits on the same thing over and over again, even though they lose every time? Don't you think that it's insulting for the US to send an Ambassador who spends much of his time acting lke a viceroy?

 

[DasFX]

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Perhaps if our government and its officials would quit going out of their way to poke a stick in the US eye, these would not be still unresolved. Listen I don't agree with everything they do, but then I don't always agree with my best friend, either. That doesn't mean that on the odd occasion I disagree with my friend that I insult him. The Canadian government, sadly, does not know this lesson. :twisted:

You really think these issues are still open cause Carolyn Parish called them American bastards? C'mon, give me a break. What advantage would they have to resolve this issue? Don't be so naive? America is the largest corporation in the world, they don't care what you call them; they just want to know how to get everything from you.

Your Albertan cattle farmers continue to go bankrupt and you are defending the party that is causing it.

 

[I think not]

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I hope you are right. But I don't fall for that "we have no enemies so why would anyone go after us" stuff either. I think if something happened, we would be looking for the US for a response. :twisted:

If we do have enemies, we are mostly likely enemies by association. The US is only concerned with itself. Everything it does provides some gain for them. They've taken the horrific event of 9/11 and used it as a carte blanche to do whatever they want. I mean we even signed a pact enabling US soldiers to enter Canada in the event of an emergency. Do you think the agreement works both ways? No!

I've always been curious about that agreement DasFX, do you have a link by any chance?

If the US was so concerned with our country, people, economy, why is the boarder still close to our cattle? Why is the softwood lumber issue still open? The US would slit our throats in a heartbeat.

When you're negative about something, you can never see anything positive. You pick on 3 or 4 issues and totally disregard the $1 billion in trade every single day. And why haven't we slit your throats yet?

I don't dislike the American people, for the most part they are clueless and/or victims of propaganda. What do you expect will happen when your only information on the world comes from FOX News?

If thats what you believe DasFX, you need to tune out wherever you're getting your information from

I do not trust the American government. I am not oblivious to the vast amount of trade we do each day, but that really is a consequence of having a 4000 km boarder. The US will trade with anyone if they can make money. I don't consider us special because of the trade. You stick any country this close to them and they will do the same.

They? The US will trade with anyone? Canada doesn't trade for the purposes of making money? If you haven't broadened your trade to include other countries rather than exporting 85% of your goods and services to us, thats your issue, I can't see how we are to blame for that. Why would you consider yourselves special in trade? Of course proximity has alot to do with it.

As for throat slitting, it will happen. So far there have only been some exploratory slices here and there. Canada capitulates before any real harm can be done. Should and when Canada finally says no, perhaps on something to do with our ever more important water, gas, oil and electricity reserves, the knife will come out.

I don't see why Canada would say no selling gas etc.. to the US. You're making money off of it, aren't you? Who else is Quebec going to sell Hydro to? China? Who else will buy gas? Russia? They have enough. Oil? Whos stopping you from selling elsewhere?

The one thing that saves Canadians is that our proximity has enabled some Americans to know who we are first hand. Unlike Iraq, where Yanks only get their info from embedded journalists, the invasion of Canada would be a much harder sell.

How can I as a Canadian truly trust the only nation to ever attack and invade us?

You need to get rid of your preconception that the US attacked Canadians, it was a war against Great Britain which they provoked. We are able to distinguish between Canadians and Brits and our history books are a testament to that.

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

I don't see why Canada would say no selling gas etc.. to the US.

Because we know that we're starting to run low?

Who else will buy gas?

There are several countries, actually, including China and much of Europe.

Oil? Whos stopping you from selling elsewhere?

NAFTA. We have to sell to you. You shouldn't ignore that the US is extremely pissed about China getting access to our oil. They've been trying to find a way to block any deal.

We are able to distinguish between Canadians and Brits and our history books are a testament to that.

You are engaging in pedantry.

 

[DasFX]

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You need to get rid of your preconception that the US attacked Canadians, it was a war against Great Britain which they provoked. We are able to distinguish between Canadians and Brits and our history books are a testament to that.

American history books are not something I hold much value in. Great Britain, Canada, different name but the people you attacked and killed were the ancestors of many Canadians.

I don't trust the US, forgive me but I seriously doubt that myself and countless billions around the globe are unjustified in that opinion.

 

[I think not]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

I don't see why Canada would say no selling gas etc.. to the US.

Because we know that we're starting to run low?

Really? How do you know this? Show me a study that says you are running low.

Who else will buy gas?

There are several countries, actually, including China and much of Europe.

Thats great, but impractical and expensive to the buyers. But since they are willing whats stopping you?

Oil? Whos stopping you from selling elsewhere?

NAFTA. We have to sell to you. You shouldn't ignore that the US is extremely pissed about China getting access to our oil. They've been trying to find a way to block any deal.

You HAVE to sell to us and yet we're TRYING to block any deal? Make up your mind. And show me the text that forbids Canada from selling anywhere else. I've read NAFTA, I see nothing that forbids Canada selling anywhere

We are able to distinguish between Canadians and Brits and our history books are a testament to that.

You are engaging in pedantry.

I picked that up from you over the last couple of months

 

[I think not]

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You need to get rid of your preconception that the US attacked Canadians, it was a war against Great Britain which they provoked. We are able to distinguish between Canadians and Brits and our history books are a testament to that.

American history books are not something I hold much value in. Great Britain, Canada, different name but the people you attacked and killed were the ancestors of many Canadians.

I don't trust the US, forgive me but I seriously doubt that myself and countless billions around the globe are unjustified in that opinion.

I think its best you speak for yourself and not countless billions. You also proved that you know nothing about the war of 1812 other than your preconceptions DasFX. Try picking up a British history book then, since you dont hold any US history book dear.
You are certainly entitlted, along with other billions, to have your opinion, not yor own facts however. What I never understood is why aren't all you "billions" doing something about it? Instead of complaining. do we have such a stranglehold that we have left you utterly helpless?

And if the Americna government is to blame for NAFTA, why don't you vote out those who bow down and suck the American governments d*cks? If you are in the situation you claim to be, blame it on your inept government with no balls.

 

[DasFX]

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I think its best you speak for yourself and not countless billions. You also proved that you know nothing about the war of 1812 other than your preconceptions DasFX. Try picking up a British history book then, since you dont hold any US history book dear.
You are certainly entitlted, along with other billions, to have your opinion, not yor own facts however. What I never understood is why aren't all you "billions" doing something about it? Instead of complaining. do we have such a stranglehold that we have left you utterly helpless?

And if the Americna government is to blame for NAFTA, why don't you vote out those who bow down and suck the American governments d*cks? If you are in the situation you claim to be, blame it on your inept government with no balls.

And you wonder why you got folks flying airplanes into your building! We do blame our government and yes America does have a stranglehold over us.

You are correct, I shouldn't speak for billions of people, but I was just going by the news coverage showing entire towns chanting "Death to America". If you haven't noticed, the rest of the world isn't exactly singing the praises of the US.

I know plenty about the war of 1812, my initial point was the American army was the only military to invade and kill Canadians on their own soil. Do you deny this?

 

[I think not]

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I think its best you speak for yourself and not countless billions. You also proved that you know nothing about the war of 1812 other than your preconceptions DasFX. Try picking up a British history book then, since you dont hold any US history book dear.
You are certainly entitlted, along with other billions, to have your opinion, not yor own facts however. What I never understood is why aren't all you "billions" doing something about it? Instead of complaining. do we have such a stranglehold that we have left you utterly helpless?

And if the Americna government is to blame for NAFTA, why don't you vote out those who bow down and suck the American governments d*cks? If you are in the situation you claim to be, blame it on your inept government with no balls.

And you wonder why you got folks flying airplanes into your building!
Very nice DasFX, I wonder if that happened in your hometown if you would be quick to bring it up

We do blame our government and yes America does have a stranglehold over us.

You blame your government and yet you continue to re-elect those who "allegedly" placed you in this position. And how exactly do we have a stranglehold on Canada?

You are correct, I shouldn't speak for billions of people, but I was just going by the news coverage showing entire towns chanting "Death to America". If you haven't noticed, the rest of the world isn't exactly singing the praises of the US.

Yes, I've noticed since 1776

I know plenty about the war of 1812, my initial point was the American army was the only military to invade and kill Canadians on their own soil. Do you deny this?

The American army invaded Canada, I do not deny this. Quote "The war was declared as a result of long simmering disputes with Great Britain. The central dispute surrounded the impressment of American soldiers by the British." The British provoked this war, not Americans. And another bit of info, according to history the British had 5,000 casualties, they were all British.

 

[DasFX]

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Very nice DasFX, I wonder if that happened in your hometown if you would be quick to bring it up

First of all, if this happened in my hometown, I'd be dead cause we have two nuclear plants and that surely would be the target. Secondly, it won't happen in my town. The terrorist are motivated to attack us. They use us to get to you, but they won't bother wasting a strike on us. This is a fact and this why we have no colour warning system and you do.

You blame your government and yet you continue to re-elect those who "allegedly" placed you in this position. And how exactly do we have a stranglehold on Canada?

We did, we kicked out the Conservatives after the first trade agreement and then the liberals make a worse one after. Would you rather us have no government?

Yes, I've noticed since 1776

Don't plan on it changing anytime soon.

The American army invaded Canada, I do not deny this. Quote "The war was declared as a result of long simmering disputes with Great Britain. The central dispute surrounded the impressment of American soldiers by the British." The British provoked this war, not Americans. And another bit of info, according to history the British had 5,000 casualties, they were all British.

"But there were also factors closer to home that contributed to the outbreak of hostilities:

The expansion of American settlement in the "Old North-west" (today's Ohio, Michigan, Illinois), frequently in violation of treaties with the First Nations, led to ongoing conflict.

The United States claimed that the Indian Agents at the British posts in the upper lakes were encouraging the resistance and supplying the means to carry it out.

Many American politicians saw war with Great Britain as an opportunity to expand northward through the conquest of Upper Canada.

The American declaration of war in June 1812 followed a long period of grievance against Great Britain, but had no one particular cause."

Canadians died (Native people were born Canadians) and the Yanks started the thing.

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/exhibits/1812/index.html

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/exhibits/1812/chronology.htm

 

[zenfisher]

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And if the Americna government is to blame for NAFTA, why don't you vote out those who bow down and suck the American governments d*cks? If you are in the situation you claim to be, blame it on your inept government with no balls.

Actually Canadians did vote out the Mulroney ( Conservatives) government that brought in the FTA. It was the largest defeat in Canadian history. They voted for a party (Liberals) that as its campaign promise to eliminate the FTA, but reneged on its election promise. Much like here...there is little difference between what is Republican and Democratic parties. Say anything to get elected,then it doesn't matter if you are not true to your word. By keeping the populace of both countries divided it ensures the the status quo.

 

[I think not]

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We did, we kicked out the Conservatives after the first trade agreement and then the liberals make a worse one after. Would you rather us have no government?

A government with no balls is as good as no government, however, thats your choice, you have to live with them as we do ours

Don't plan on it changing anytime soon.

I don't expect it to

"But there were also factors closer to home that contributed to the outbreak of hostilities:

The expansion of American settlement in the "Old North-west" (today's Ohio, Michigan, Illinois), frequently in violation of treaties with the First Nations, led to ongoing conflict.

The United States claimed that the Indian Agents at the British posts in the upper lakes were encouraging the resistance and supplying the means to carry it out.

Many American politicians saw war with Great Britain as an opportunity to expand northward through the conquest of Upper Canada.

The American declaration of war in June 1812 followed a long period of grievance against Great Britain, but had no one particular cause."

Canadians died (Native people were born Canadians) and the Yanks started the thing.

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/exhibits/1812/chronology.htm[/quote]

Can you answer one simple question for me? Otherwise this is going to go back and forth for a while. Do you consider yourselves British or Canadian prior to 1867?