Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrites!

[Walrus]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

You don't seem to care that Parrish's remarks were just as racist regardless of who they were aimed at but you do about Fletcher's - is this because his remarks fit your stereotype of what bigots the Conservatives are but since Parrish is a Liberal she can't be considered racist?

That's just silly. Parrish was not making racist remarks.

No it wasn't, she made the comment coming out of a liberal caucus meeting twice, and got punted the second time.

No, you are wrong.

Regardless of whether you consider her remarks racist or not she was representing Canada when she made them and they were just as inappropriate as Fletcher's. She should have apologized to the Americans. The fact that she didn't and that her party and the PM practically supported her remarks insults the Americans as a whole just as much as Fletcher's comments insulted the Japanese.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

She made the comment off the record. It was made in a certain situation. The "American bastards" she was referring to were clearly, in the context of what she said, a negotiating team that did not come to negotiate.

 

[Chake99]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

cut the damn guy some slack. He said "the japs were bastards." Note the "the" and "were." Because of the the he was refering to a specific group, for example prison guards, and the were means he does not hold that opinion of modern japanese.

He then apologized for offending anyone. That is not hypocritical, it would be hypocritical if he said he no longer believed in that, what he meant was that he did not mean to offend anyone.

It is totally comparable to what Carolyn Parrish did, and I think both are completely acceptable.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: Conservative apology for racist comments, what hypocrite

cut the damn guy some slack. He said "the japs were bastards." Note the "the" and "were." Because of the the he was refering to a specific group, for example prison guards, and the were means he does not hold that opinion of modern japanese.

He then apologized for offending anyone. That is not hypocritical, it would be hypocritical if he said he no longer believed in that, what he meant was that he did not mean to offend anyone.

It is totally comparable to what Carolyn Parrish did, and I think both are completely acceptable.

Fair enough, Chake, and I agree. If you want to criticize one you have to criticize the other. To do otherwise is hypocritical. And just to clarify, the second time Parrish used her derogatory comments was coming out of a caucus meeting followed up by being on CBC v This Hour Has 22 minutes.

It strikes me as odd though, that Fletchers comments draw such outrage, and in some degree justifiable, but when anyone uses the word Nazi, nobody thinks that is a slur against the Germans. In my opinion, criticizing the Japanese prisoner of war guards and administrators is as justifiable as critizing the Nazis of WWII Germany. Classifing either race based on these two extremes, however, is not acceptable, and I am glad Fletcher apologised.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

She made the comment off the record. It was made in a certain situation. The "American bastards" she was referring to were clearly, in the context of what she said, a negotiating team that did not come to negotiate.

The point is that public figures are rarely "off the record" especially in a place known to have cameras and recording devices. If she was unaware of this, then she is not fit for public office.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

How could you possibly know anything about it, Blue? Last night your weren't even aware of what country it happened in.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

How could you possibly know anything about it, Blue? Last night your weren't even aware of what country it happened in.

Taunting. Anway, where she said it is immaterial, the fact is she said it twice. And others in the Liberals have said it too, without apology. Fletcher apologised, which shows that he has more class than the Liberals.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

She said it once. Where she said it is very important because it provides the context that reveals who and what she was replying to. It makes it very difficult for you to twist it around.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

She said it once. Where she said it is very important because it provides the context that reveals who and what she was replying to. It makes it very difficult for you to twist it around.

You are forgetting The CBC show. Twice.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

She said it once. When leaving a NATO meeting. Off the record. To somebody she thought wouldn't repeat it.

You have the wrong quote, Blue. You are thinking of the "coalition of idiots" thing. You're way off on that too. It was not specific to the US, but referred to anybody who thought BMD was a good idea. That included Paul Martin at the time.

I understand the Conservatives have taken so many things out of context that it's hard to keep them all straight.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

She said it once. When leaving a NATO meeting. Off the record. To somebody she thought wouldn't repeat it.

You have the wrong quote, Blue. You are thinking of the "coalition of idiots" thing. You're way off on that too. It was not specific to the US, but referred to anybody who thought BMD was a good idea. That included Paul Martin at the time.

I understand the Conservatives have taken so many things out of context that it's hard to keep them all straight.

Take a look at the show, open your ears and eyes, and you will hear her badmouthing Bush and your eyes will see her stomping on a Bush "action figure" for lack of a better term. And please, seeing as how the US called the coalition the coalition of the willing, calling it the coalition of the idiots is a slam at not only the US, but any country who backs them, in this case. That includes a number of our other trading and commonwealth countries, so saying what she said only pissed off more countries. Great public figure, that one. What a dolt.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

You have the wrong quote BA. You want embarrassing public figures though? How about Stephen Harper writing an open letter to the American people apologising because we wouldn't join an illegal war? That's embarrassing.

That little pissant weasel pretending he spoke for anybody on anything. They should have arrested the bastard for treason.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

That little pissant weasel pretending he spoke for anybody on anything. They should have arrested the bastard for treason.

Agreed...

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

That little pissant weasel pretending he spoke for anybody on anything. They should have arrested the bastard for treason.

Agreed...

Disagreed, he was apologising for our embarrasing comments from our embarrasing government and its ridiculous members. Treason? That's a laugh. If thats the case, the entire Liberal party ought to be arrested for fraud, theft, money laundering, etc.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

No, he was apologising because we wouldn't join an illegal war with them.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

No, he was apologising because we wouldn't join an illegal war with them.

You take it how you want. I prefer to think of it as showing some in the US that they still had some friends in Canada, instead of a bunch of boorish, rude, and insulting Liberals. We did not have to send troops, the US knows full well our very limited military capability due to the Liberals budget cuts, but we certainly could have offered moral support if nothing else. Hell, just keeping our mouths shut instead of insulting them would have been better than the trash that came out of their mouths.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Conservative apology

I'll take it based on what he said. He apologised because we wouldn't send troops to Iraq, wouldn't join the coalition of the bribed and bullied.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

I'll take it based on what he said. He apologised because we wouldn't send troops to Iraq, wouldn't join the coalition of the bribed and bullied.

...or as common sense people think, the coalition of the ethical and supporting.

Or as the US said, "The coalition of the Willing". you know, willing to do something about the evil in the world that was responsible for 9-11?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

I'll take it based on what he said. He apologised because we wouldn't send troops to Iraq, wouldn't join the coalition of the bribed and bullied.

...or as common sense people think, the coalition of the ethical and supporting.

...tell that to the approximately 100,000 civilians killed because the invading army's ethical support...

Or as the US said, "The coalition of the Willing". you know, willing to do something about the evil in the world that was responsible for 9-11?

Uh-huh...and just how was Iraq involved in 911 blue?

...and I guess it's a good thing they got rid of Saddam before he could use all of those weapons of mass destruction, eh... :lol:

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative apology

I'll take it based on what he said. He apologised because we wouldn't send troops to Iraq, wouldn't join the coalition of the bribed and bullied.

...or as common sense people think, the coalition of the ethical and supporting.

...tell that to the approximately 100,000 civilians killed because the invading army's ethical support...

Or as the US said, "The coalition of the Willing". you know, willing to do something about the evil in the world that was responsible for 9-11?

Uh-huh...and just how was Iraq involved in 911 blue?

...and I guess it's a good thing they got rid of Saddam before he could use all of those weapons of mass destruction, eh... :lol:

WMD aside, I dont think anyone disputes that Saddam aided and abetted terrorists, and inflicted terrorism on his own people, slaughtering thousands over the years.

Given the environmental terrorism he inflicted back in Gulf War 1, I am somewhat surprised the left does not support taking out the man who caused massive environmental damage around the world by lighting oil pumps on fire. I remember a picture taken from space back then that showed the smoke cloud circling the earth over and over until the fires were put out.

It is also worth keeping in mind that of the civilians killed, most have been killed by Iraqi terrorists (not insurgents, they are terrorists), who oppose the US. Surely you are not supporting the terrorists who blow up themselves and innocent civilians who are in restaurants, etc. do you? I hope not. :twisted: