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[china]

Compassion

Thought cannot, by any means whatsoever, cultivate compassion. I am not using that word compassion to mean the opposite, the antithesis of hate or violence. But unless each one of us has a deep sense of compassion, we shall become more and more brutal, inhuman to each other. We shall have mechanical, computer-like minds that have merely been trained to perform certain functions; we shall go on seeking security, both physical and psychological, and we shall miss the extraordinary depth and beauty, the whole significance of life

 

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[gopher]

unless each one of us has a deep sense of compassion...


Essentially that is what Jesus taught. A laudable ideal, for sure, but thoughts that are exploited rather than actually utilized by professing Christians on the political right wing in the USA. They rode the morality wagon to power in Washington, DC for a number of years but their Pharisaism led to their recent defeat in the November elections.

How would you bring about the fulfillment of this ideal?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Thought cannot, by any means whatsoever, cultivate compassion.

I disagree absolutely and completely with that claim. I'd immediately agree that if you have no innate compassion (which would mean you're some kind of sociopath) thinking about it won't create any in you, but if you're in a quandary about what to do in some situation and you ask yourself, "What is the compassionate thing to do here?" thinking about it can certainly cultivate compassion. All you seem to be really saying is that compassion is one of the better things about human nature, which is certainly true, but so obvious to anyone who has any as to be trivial, and to those mercifully few sociopaths who have none, irrelevant.

 

[china]

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[china]

Dexter Sinister:
I disagree absolutely and completely with that claim-----------------------------------

I,m glad you do disagree Dexter otherwise I'd think you're going nuts.( sorry ,not educated enough to find a better expression, but I think you know what I mean).

PS.Obviously Dexter you don't have to agree with the above "claim" either.

 

[china]

Hi gopher:
but thoughts that are exploited rather than actually utilized by professing Christians on the political right wing in the USA.
How would you bring about the fulfillment of this ideal?________________________________________

I'm sure that the moment that you will start to observe yourself without any judgement or preference ,you will begin to understand that charity just like love and or humility is not a creation of thought so it can not be "exploited" in any way or fashion .
How would you bring about the fulfillment of this ideal?________________________________________

You are the world and the world is in you ,start with yourself gopher ,unless you are not guilty of any of these "exploitations".
To understand ourselves requires objective, kindly, dispassionate study of ourselves, ourselves being the organism as a whole—our body, our feelings, our thoughts. They are not separate, they are interrelated. It is only when we understand the organism as a whole that we can go beyond and discover still further, greater, vaster things.

 

[Curiosity]

China

Excellent thought - positive posit - however I believe it is not possible in our stage of evolution.

Not totally. We are comprised of variant degrees in our cultural judgements and forgiveness and compassion.

There is not one human in our huge population without flaw having judgments set in place to flourish or die off.

Whether it is acted upon or drives fully one whole life would depend upon that individual.

Personally I am still weighing the possibilities/impossibilities that religious belief is the guide.

At least not in this lifetime.

 

[china]

Curiosity :EvolutionExcellent thought - positive posit - however I believe it is not possible in our stage of evolution.
Not totally.

Curiosity :.........All it takes is an instant "seeing" of the things as they are. Not thinking or idealizing or pursuing or progressing towards other things or ideals but just "seeing" things as they are in this very moment..There is no psychological evolution, Curiosity. One is what one is or one is something else not based on reality but rather based on fantasies and visions in our mind. To see through this doesn't take an immense amount of time and effort, it simply takes the understanding To Do It. Once one has this understanding then all that's left is to stop the diversionary thought ,worlds and efforts at "self-improvement" and simply be the real you that has always been.Be what you are here and now, yesterday and tomorrow. Don't try to figure out what that is for then you just end up creating another ideal or fantasy image in your mind, rather stop all that and settle into the presence all around and within you right now.There's no methodology or "way" of achieving this for that in itself is another form of dogma, ritual, fantasy path that only leads away from what is already here. Understand the existence of conditioning and the barriers that this conditioning can present to those who would like to circumvent it. Do "see" this conditioning and then it is no longer a problem it simply is a part of what is.It is not something to "get rid of" or work at "undoing", rather it is a part of the reality of what is and therefore is to be "seen", recognized, acknowledged, yet not scorned or cursed. It is real and therefore can only be seen or ignored and to ignore something that is real and a part of you is to deal in fantasy and idealization.

 

[Curiosity]

China - Good morning, afternoon or evening!

What I was trying to say is nobody can be perfect - even with compassion. We allow compassion from within for as much as we feel we can handle it.

There is no point in seeking change - only acceptance - and that is why I wrote about imperfection and
flaw - If we know our self - we know the degree of compassion we can give and accept it.

Compassion can exist in many flawed and imperfect people. In fact I believe the more "flawed" one is - the more compassion one can feel because tragedy, imperfection, error (or other similar words) brings knowledge for reference.

 

[china]

Hi Curiosity : What I was trying to say is nobody can be perfect - even with compassion .
Personally I am still weighing the possibilities/impossibilities that religious life is the guide.
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Well one of the good religious guides is the Bible where you will find Jesus Chist saying .... "Be perfect ,just like my Father is perfect".
Curiosity
There is no point in seeking change - only acceptance - and that is why I wrote about imperfection and
flaw - If we know our self - we know the degree of compassion we can give and accept it
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What I am stating in the post is: "Be what you are here and now, yesterday and tomorrow. Don't try to figure out what that is for then you just end up creating another ideal or fantasy image in your mind, rather stop all that and settle into the presence all around and within you right now.There's no methodology or "way" of achieving this for that in itself is another form of dogma, ritual, fantasy path that only leads away from what is already here".
No need to any change ,You can't change. A fool who gets an education is still a fool ,an educated fool .
You are who you are, you are the What is my friend.

 

[Northboy]

Compassion

Thought cannot, by any means whatsoever, cultivate compassion. I am not using that word compassion to mean the opposite, the antithesis of hate or violence. But unless each one of us has a deep sense of compassion, we shall become more and more brutal, inhuman to each other. We shall have mechanical, computer-like minds that have merely been trained to perform certain functions; we shall go on seeking security, both physical and psychological, and we shall miss the extraordinary depth and beauty, the whole significance of life

In my opinion,

We entered a new age, the Age of "Ideas" I like to call it, somewhere around 1984....
Like the Agrarian Age, that was based on the control of land ( that's where wealth was generated)
and the Industrial Age, based on the control of machines, the Age of Ideas, if left to the establishment ,would lead to the control of people....

Obviously, the welfare of the people are not served by such a paradigm.. And that's what it is, someone's idea repeated over and over until we the world takes it as mainstream and the obvious solution..

My view is that the whole situation should be flipped over so that we can transition into what I would call
"A post modern artisan society " based on the maxim " Free Will and the opportunity to pursue it"..

I'm sure this wouldn't be that popular with some, I can already hear them screaming " My Porsche, my Porsche, they're towing away my Porsche".

But think about it, highly connected communities operating in self sufficiency, not from the sense of back to the land, but rather the value generated in balance with the value imported, whatever those values are.
Solid liquidity and self determination for all...To make such a system not be "abused" by "special interest",
you need core values to underpin the system. I personally like Faith, Virtue and Inspiration to all.. and by all--Our own Camelot..

What do you think??

I deleted my attempt at wit, I apologize, I hope that I didn't offend....

G.

 

[gopher]

Those are nice thoughts, China.

Peace.

 

[china]

Northboy:
In my opinion,

We entered a new age, the Age of "Ideas" I like to call it, somewhere around 1984....
Like the Agrarian Age, that was based on the control of land ( that's where wealth was generated)
and the Industrial Age, based on the control of machines, the Age of Ideas, if left to the establishment ,would lead to the control of people....

Obviously, the welfare of the people are not served by such a paradigm.. And that's what it is, someone's idea repeated over and over until we the world takes it as mainstream and the obvious solution..

My view is that the whole situation should be flipped over so that we can transition into what I would call
"A post modern artisan society " based on the maxim " Free Will and the opportunity to pursue it"..

I'm sure this wouldn't be that popular with some, I can already hear them screaming " My Porsche, my Porsche, they're towing away my Porsche".

But think about it, highly connected communities operating in self sufficiency, not from the sense of back to the land, but rather the value generated in balance with the value imported, whatever those values are.
Solid liquidity and self determination for all...To make such a system not be "abused" by "special interest",
you need core values to underpin the system. I personally like Faith, Virtue and Inspiration to all.. and by all--Our own Camelot..

What do you think??
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AMEN

 

[Curiosity]

What a nice comfortable dialogue to read from you three...thank you....

I forgot to add a couple of things.... self-forgiveness and humor also play a significant role in acceptance.

Also something I have disregarded for many years until I started writing on forums - that of our communications on an honest level. It is imperative we learn to know what we wish to say in real life too and have the conviction to speak it and/or live it. In real life we play so many roles to keep peace or friendships or demands of the workplace, it is good
we also have a place where we can relax and find out who we are.

 

[Northboy]

What a nice comfortable dialogue to read from you three...thank you....

I forgot to add a couple of things.... self-forgiveness and humor also play a significant role in acceptance.

Also something I have disregarded for many years until I started writing on forums - that of our communications on an honest level. It is imperative we learn to know what we wish to say in real life too and have the conviction to speak it and/or live it. In real life we play so many roles to keep peace or friendships or demands of the workplace, it is good
we also have a place where we can relax and find out who we are.

Good on You All..