Colorado supermarket mass shooting leaving 10 dead

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Criminals with guns are criminals because they don't obey the law(S) so THEY WON'T be giving up THEIR guns, but then so are all the lefties who will then PAY for armed security because they are sad cowardly wimps who only start fights.

Also, actually the crooks who won't give up their guns are the globalist Marxist army of Fktards and they only have the balls to take on unarmed people because they are SILLIE fhags and beatches...and even then, ONLY when their MASTERS have bought off the local DAs.
 
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No "innocent till proven guilty"?
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No...of course not. Neither hitler stalin mao epstein nor pol pot who was installed by the CIA like the evil shaw of Iran, ever did "innocent until proven guilty."
He was killed by police Dems. got their huckleberry to demand gun control now with no wait and see narrative
 
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Yep they jumped the gun in Atlanta and had to wait a couple of months with minority mass shooters until this one came along, only thing that can wreck this one for them is if the FBI failed to flag a background check again.
 

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The gun debate has been beaten to death more than the horse.

It doesn't change the fact that the States does not give a flying shit about the lives of anyone. So again, who cares; another mass shooting, another "meh".
Remind me which part of the states Nova Scotia is in ? Have the RCMP come clean on their complicity in that mass shooting in peaceful Nova Scotia ? It is almost as if no one in Canada gives a flying f about the lost lives of Canadians .

But you are correct about one thing , whenever another ethnic gang member gets shot up , out here in LaLaLand another useless punk bites the dust , so sad , please do more .
 

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Yikes the sheer Republican like terror of gasp...."Gun control" here in these comments and threads.

And the conspiracy stuff.

It's pretty much a fact mass shootings outside of crime/gang events are all raging white guys, usually with shitty domestic records.

And at this point there needs to be a loss of truly cute or important white celebs or political people in order for Americans to really do anything.
 

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Yikes the sheer Republican like terror of gasp...."Gun control" here in these comments and threads.

And the conspiracy stuff.

It's pretty much a fact mass shootings outside of crime/gang events are all raging white guys, usually with shitty domestic records.

And at this point there needs to be a loss of truly cute or important white celebs or political people in order for Americans to really do anything.
So how about the gang killings in B.C. All those nice immigrants shooting up the streets with no regard for innocent bystanders. Boy those Americans are sure violent .
 

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So how about the gang killings in B.C. All those nice immigrants shooting up the streets with no regard for innocent bystanders. Boy those Americans are sure violent .
I addressed that Pig-Q.

Also not what I said so get it correct or stfu.
 

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Accused Colorado supermarket shooter deemed mentally incompetent
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Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, suspect of the King Soopers grocery store shooting in March, appears in a Boulder County District courtroom at the Boulder County Justice Center in Boulder, Colo., May 25, 2021.
Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, suspect of the King Soopers grocery store shooting in March, appears in a Boulder County District courtroom at the Boulder County Justice Center in Boulder, Colo., May 25, 2021. PHOTO BY MATTHEW JONAS / BOULDER DAILY CAMERA / HANDOUT /REUTERS
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DENVER — Psychologists who evaluated a 22-year-old man accused of fatally shooting 10 people at a Colorado grocery store in March have found him incompetent to stand trial, but prosecutors are seeking a second mental health evaluation, court records showed on Monday.

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Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa is charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder, and dozens of attempted murder and related charges stemming from the March 22 rampage at a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder, Colorado, about 28 miles northwest of Denver.

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Prosecutors allege Alissa stormed the supermarket and opened fire with a Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic pistol that he had legally purchased six days before the rampage.

Among those killed was a responding Boulder policeman.

Alissa has been held without bond since his arrest, and last month a judge ordered that he undergo a competency evaluation.


The report by the two court-appointed psychologists has not been released, but their conclusions were set out in a motion filed by prosecutors for a second examination, to which defence lawyers object.

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In their motion, prosecutors argued that the initial evaluation showed Alissa is aware of his legal predicament. “Defendant indicates an understanding of his charges, the potential sentence, the roles of the judge, prosecutor, and defense attorney,” the prosecution motion said.

In objecting to the prosecution request, defence attorneys said Alissa mistakenly believes he could be executed if found guilty.

“The death penalty is not a potential sentence in this case, and the report reflects his (Alissa’s) fixation on that as a sentence,” the defence motion said.

Under Colorado law, a judge is required to conduct a competency hearing before ruling on whether a defendant is mentally fit to stand trial.

The judge has not ruled on the prosecution request, though the issue will likely be argued during an Oct. 14 competency review hearing.
 
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Accused shooter in Colorado rampage that killed 10 deemed unfit to stand trial
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Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, suspect of the King Soopers grocery store shooting, appears in a Boulder County District courtroom in Boulder, Colorado, May 25, 2021.
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DENVER — A Colorado judge on Friday ruled that a man accused of killing 10 people in a supermarket shooting in March is incompetent to stand trial.
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Boulder County District Judge Ingrid Bakke made her ruling during a hearing for Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, 22, where it was disclosed that two separate court-ordered psychological evaluations had both concluded that he is mentally unfit.

Bakke ordered Alissa to undergo treatment at the state’s mental hospital. Colorado law requires that a criminal defendant deemed incompetent undergo treatment in an effort to make them competent to stand trial.

Alissa is charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder stemming from the March 22 shooting rampage at a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder, Colorado, about 28 miles (45 km) northwest of Denver.

Armed with a legally purchased Ruger AR-556 pistol, Alissa stormed the supermarket and opened fire, prosecutors said. Among those killed was a responding Boulder police officer. Authorities have not identified a motive for the attack.
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Two psychologists previously evaluated Alissa and deemed him incompetent, prompting prosecutors in October to request Bakke order a second mental examination, which she granted.

The competency standard requires that a defendant understands the charges and can meaningfully assist in their own defense.

District Attorney Michael Dougherty said at Friday’s hearing that because the second evaluator likewise concluded that Alissa is mentally unfit, he would no longer contest the findings.

“We’re confident that with medication and treatment at the state hospital… that he can be restored to competency,” Dougherty told the judge.

Alissa, who has been held without bond since his arrest, did not speak during the five-minute hearing. His attorney, Kathryn Herold, said that her client suffers from an undisclosed “serious mental illness.”
 

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Man charged in Colorado supermarket attack still incompetent
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Alissa, charged with killing 10 people at a Colorado supermarket last year, is still incompetent to stand trial, a judge ruled Friday, Oct. 21, 2022, keeping his prosecution on hold.
Alissa, charged with killing 10 people at a Colorado supermarket last year, is still incompetent to stand trial, a judge ruled Friday, Oct. 21, 2022, keeping his prosecution on hold.
BOULDER, Colo. — A man charged with killing 10 people at a Colorado supermarket last year is still incompetent to stand trial, a judge ruled Friday, keeping his prosecution on hold.


Court proceedings against Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, 23, have been paused since December, when a judge first found him to be mentally incompetent. The rulings mean he is unable to understand legal proceedings or work with his lawyers to defend himself.


Alissa remains at the state mental hospital, where he is receiving treatment, and was not in the Boulder courtroom Friday.

Alissa is accused of opening fire outside and inside a King Soopers store on March 2021 in the college town of Boulder. He killed customers, workers and a police officer who tried to stop the attack. Alissa surrendered after another officer shot and wounded him, according to authorities.

Investigators have not made public information about why they believe Alissa carried out the attack.


Alissa is charged with murder as well as multiple attempted murder counts for endangering the lives of 26 other people.

Alissa’s lawyers have not commented about the allegations. He has not been asked yet to enter a plea.

Reports about his mental health evaluations have not been made public. But court documents that addressed one of them last year said he was provisionally diagnosed with an unspecified mental health condition limiting his ability to “meaningfully converse with others.”

Competency is a different legal issue than a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, which involves whether someone’s mental health prevented them from understanding right from wrong when a crime was committed.

Killed in the attack were Rikki Olds, Denny Stong, Neven Stanisic, Tralona Bartkowiak, Teri Leiker, Suzanne Fountain, Kevin Mahoney, Lynn Murray, Jody Waters and Eric Talley, who rushed into the store with an initial team of police officers.

Alissa lived in the nearby suburb of Arvada, where authorities say he passed a background check to legally buy the Ruger AR-556 pistol six days before authorities say he used it in the shooting.
 
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Colorado man accused of killing 10 at supermarket in 2021 competent for trial
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DENVER (AP) — A Colorado man accused of killing 10 people at a Boulder supermarket in 2021 is competent for trial, prosecutors said Wednesday.


The prosecutors said experts have determined that a man charged with killing 10 people at a Colorado supermarket in 2021 is mentally competent to proceed toward a trial.


The district attorney’s office announced Wednesday that experts at the state mental hospital say Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa no longer has a mental disability that prevents him for helping in his defense and can proceed with criminal proceedings.

A judge still must accept their conclusion in order for proceedings to resume, it said.

The March 22, 2021, attack at a King Soopers grocery shocked a state that has seen its share of mass shootings, including the 1999 Columbine High School massacre and the 2012 Aurora movie theater shooting.

Boulder police Officer Eric Talley, a 51-year-old father of seven, was shot and killed while rushing into the store with an initial team of police officers. In addition to Rikki Olds, Denny Stong, Neven Stanisic, Tralona Bartkowiak, Teri Leiker, Suzanne Fountain, Kevin Mahoney, Lynn Murray and Jody Waters were killed inside and outside the supermarket.

The remodeled King Soopers reopened last year with about half of those who worked there at the time of the shooting choosing to return.
 

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Colorado supermarket shooting suspect suggested he wanted police to kill him
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BOULDER, Colo. — The man accused of killing 10 people at a Colorado supermarket in 2021 told a mental health evaluator he bought firearms to carry out a mass shooting and suggested that he wanted police to kill him, according to Wednesday court testimony.


Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa made the statements at a state mental hospital during an August evaluation that determined he was mentally competent to stand trial, said Loandra Torres, the forensic psychologist who evaluated the 24-year-old suspect.


The defendant, who has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, also “recognized that there are guns that have his fingerprints on them and that can be used as some evidence against him,” Torres testified.

Alissa is charged with murder and multiple attempted murder counts after the shooting rampage on March 22, 2021, in a crowded King Soopers store in Boulder, about 30 miles (50 kilometres) northwest of Denver. He has not yet been asked to enter a plea.

Judge Ingrid Bakke held Wednesday’s hearing to evaluate Alissa’s fitness for trial at the request of his public defender, Kathryn Herold, who wanted a chance to debate the competency finding.


Forced medication administered to Alissa since March under a court order has significantly improved his mental condition, according to Torres and a second psychologist who testified for the prosecution. His condition had deteriorated prior to the forced medication.

“A little improvement while you’re on your medication doesn’t mean you’ve been restored to competency,” Herold said, asking the judge to rule that Alissa remains incompetent. “I know that is difficult from a moral standpoint when we have a courtroom full of families of victims and victims themselves.”

But District Attorney Michael Dougherty said Alissa’s struggle to communicate, which was a core concern in his competency evaluations, might not completely stem from his schizophrenia diagnosis.


“Outside of mental health,” he said, “I think there are legitimate reasons why someone would choose not to communicate after killing 10 people.” He urged Bakke to find Alissa’s competency has been restored.

In the courtroom for the hearing were victims and relatives including Robert Olds, whose 25-year-old niece Rikki Olds was killed in the shooting and who has been lobbying left and right to find out why it’s taken so long to for Alissa to be determined competent.

“The defense attorneys said all along: ‘We have to trust what the doctors say,”‘ he told The Associated Press, “Well finally the doctors have done their job and the doctors have said, ‘He is competent.”‘

Olds also spoke of the aftermath of the shooting, how he cleaned out his niece’s apartment, secured a death certificate and retrieved her car from the supermarket.


“Now that I’ve had some time to sit back and reflect, it’s all the times that I’ve been missing her: the birthdays, the holidays, the impromptu drop-in visits where I would try to make her laugh so hard she would snort and then I would laugh,” he said, tears filling his eyes.

Alissa attended the hearing in a striped orange and white jumpsuit and sat fidgeting next to his attorneys.

Prior to his admission to the state hospital in December 2021, Alissa had not been hospitalized for psychiatric problems, treated or medicated, said Torres, the forensic psychologist.

Individual therapy sessions, in addition to the forced medication, helped him become competent, Torres said.

The judge was required to schedule the hearing but denied Herold’s request for another evaluation from the mental hospital. Herold argued that Alissa is not competent and cited the psychiatric evaluations describing him as “profoundly mentally ill.”


Schizophrenia can shake someone’s grasp on reality, potentially interfering in a legal defense in court. Mental competency to move toward trial entails being able to understand court proceedings and help Herold with his defense. It does not mean he’s been cured.

Mental competency is also separate from pleading not guilty by reason of insanity, which is a claim that a defendant’s mental health prevented them from understanding right from wrong. Alissa discussed using such as a plea as a legal strategy in his conversations with Torres, she said.

The August evaluation was the first that ruled Alissa competent. The case has been on hold while victims and families of those killed are eager for it to move forward.

Alissa’s inability to reach mental competency for over two years is rare, said psychologist Julie Gallagher, who testified for the prosecution. Gallagher added that it was due to the severity of his illness.


Alissa recently punched another patient in the face multiple times, said Hareesh Pillai, his psychiatrist at the state mental hospital. It was one of only a few diversions from his typically reserved behavior, according to Pillai.

Initial evaluations throughout 2021 and 2022 found Alissa incompetent for trial largely due to his inability to communicate clearly and at times his outright refusal to discuss the allegations against him, Torres said.

But he was more forthcoming by August and when asked why he purchased firearms, “he said it was to commit a mass shooting,” Torres told the court.

“He indicated that there was some intention to commit suicide by cop,” she added.

Alissa acknowledged he had schizophrenia and had heard voices in the past, Torres said.


Alissa was convicted of assaulting a fellow high school student in 2018, according to police documents.

Also in court Wednesday for the proceedings were Nick Edwards, 24, and his mother, Sarah Moonshadow.

In an interview, Edwards recounted how he and his mother were in the market’s self-checkout area the day of the shooting when they heard loud bangs outside. He said the attacker then entered and he heard another shot, then silence, then a woman’s scream. They caught a glance of the shooter before they escaped.

For months afterward he would jump with fright every time his boss popped open a bag of frozen onion rings in the restaurant where he worked. The whole family fell into depression, Moonshadow said. Asked how he felt about being in the same room as Alissa, Edwards shrugged.

“He’s got to be there,” he said, adding, “just to see the people he missed.”
 

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Colorado mass shooting survivor testifies the gunman repeated ’This is fun’ during the attack
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Published Sep 12, 2024 • 1 minute read

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — A pharmacist who survived a 2021 mass shooting at a Colorado supermarket said Thursday during the gunman’s trial that she heard him say, “This is fun” at least three times during the shooting. The chilling detail had not been revealed before.


Sarah Chen said she heard the comments while hiding with her coworkers and carefully listening for any sounds from the plexiglass barrier at the pharmacy counter that might alert them to the shooter’s presence after Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa had opened fire in the college town of Boulder.

“I heard him screaming, ‘This is fun. This is fun,”‘ Chen said.

No one, including Alissa’s lawyers, disputes he was the shooter. Alissa has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity in the shooting.

Alissa was diagnosed after the shooting with treatment-resistant schizophrenia. His attorneys say he had hallucinations that included hearing screaming voices, seeing people who weren’t there and believing he was being followed in the runup to the shooting. They argue he should be found not guilty because he was not able to tell the difference between right and wrong at the time of the shooting.

He is charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder, multiple counts of attempted murder and other offenses, including having six high-capacity ammunition magazine devices banned in Colorado after previous mass shootings.

Testimony began Sept. 5, and the trial is scheduled to finish by the end of the month.

Another pharmacy worker, Maggie Montoya, a professional runner, testified about what she saw and heard while hiding in a room next to the pharmacy. That included hearing Alissa say he was naked while he surrendered. She didn’t mention hearing Alissa say, “This is fun.”
 

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Gunman says he heard ’killing voices’ before Colorado supermarket shooting
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Published Sep 13, 2024 • 2 minute read

BOULDER, Colo. — A mentally ill man who killed 10 people at a Colorado supermarket told psychologists he heard “killing voices” right before opening fire, a psychologist testified Friday during the gunman’s trial.


Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, who has been diagnosed with a severe case of schizophrenia, repeatedly failed during about six hours of interviews to provide any more details about the voices or whether he heard them saying anything other than that they were yelling, forensic psychologist B. Thomas Gray said.

“I started hearing voices, like killing, like killing voices,” Alissa said in one portion of the videotaped interviews shown in court. The clips showed Alissa fidgeting, yawning and stretching at times and speaking in a soft voice that was often difficult to hear over a hum on the recordings.

After the interviews, Gray and fellow forensic psychologist Loandra Torres determined that at the time of the 2021 shooting in the college town of Boulder, Alissa was legally sane — able to understand the difference between right and wrong.


No one, including Alissa’s lawyers, disputes he was the shooter. Alissa has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity in the shooting. The defence says he should be found not guilty because he was insane and not able to tell the difference between right and wrong at the time of the shooting.

In questioning Gray, one of Alissa’s attorneys, Kathryn Herold, pointed out that Gray and Torres did not have full confidence in their finding, largely because Alissa did not provide them more information about what he was experiencing even though that could have helped his case. She noted they were relying on a man with treatment-resistant schizophrenia experiencing hallucinations to explain what was happening to him.


Alissa also said he was planning to die in the attack so he would not have to go to jail, Gray said. Herold pointed out that Alissa surrendered instead. Alissa stripped down to his underwear before he was arrested in the store, apparently to show he was no longer armed and not a threat.

Alissa is charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder, multiple counts of attempted murder and other offences, including having six high-capacity ammunition magazine devices banned in Colorado after previous mass shootings.

Testimony on Alissa’s sanity is expected to wrap up Monday. The defence will then start to present its case, which is set to include calling Alissa’s relatives as witnesses.
 

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Gunman who killed 10 at a Colorado supermarket found guilty of murder
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Published Sep 23, 2024 • 5 minute read

BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — A mentally ill man who killed 10 people at a Colorado supermarket in 2021 was convicted Monday of murder and faces life in prison.


Defense attorneys did not dispute that Ahmad Alissa, who has schizophrenia, fatally shot 10 people including a police officer in the college town of Boulder. But he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, with the defense arguing he couldn’t tell right from wrong at the time of the attack.

In addition to 10 counts of first-degree murder, the jury found Alissa guilty on 38 charges of attempted murder, one count of assault, and six counts of possessing illegal, large-capacity magazines.

First degree murder carries a mandatory life sentence in Colorado. Sentencing in the case was due to occur later Monday, during which victims and family were expected to address the court.

Alissa did not visibly react as the judge began reciting the guilty verdicts against him. He sat at a table with his attorneys and appeared to trade notes with members of the defense team, speaking quietly at times with one of his attorneys.


Judge Ingrid Bakke had warned against any outbursts. There were some tears and restrained crying on the victims’ side of the courtroom as the murder convictions were read.

The courtroom was packed largely with victims’ families and police officers, including those who were shot at by Alissa. Several members of Alissa’s family sat just behind him.

Nikolena Stanisic, whose only sibling, Neven, was killed, recalled going out to ice cream with her brother the night before he was shot and how he would sometimes help her with her bills. She told the court that their household — once filled with talk and laughter — is now mostly silent.

“To the person that’s done this, we hope that you suffer for the rest of your life. You are a coward,” Stanisic said. “I hope this haunts the defendant until the end of time. The defendant deserves the absolute worse.”


Alissa started shooting immediately after getting out of his car in a King Soopers store parking lot in March 2021. He killed most of the victims in just over a minute and surrendered after an officer shot him in the leg.

Erika Mahoney was in California, six months pregnant, when she found out about the attack in which her father was killed. She was so upset she thought she was going to lose the baby, Mahoney told the court.

Mahoney said she wanted an apology or remorse from the gunman or his family but has not yet gotten any.

“The door is still open,” she said. “Until then, I will start: I’m sorry for your suffering, past, present and future…I wish you would have gotten more love.”

Until the trial, Mahoney said, she prayed that her father’s final moments were painless and that he didn’t know he was going to die. However, video from the attack showed there was a chase and Kevin Mahoney tried to get away but found nowhere to take cover, Erika Mahoney said.


Alissa at times looked toward the victims’ relatives as they spoke. For much of the time he sat hunched over, talking to his attorney or writing.

Prosecutors had to prove Alissa was sane. They argued he didn’t fire randomly and showed an ability to make decisions by pursuing people who were running and trying to hide from him. He twice passed by a 91-year-old man who continued to shop, unaware of the shooting.

He came armed with steel-piercing bullets and illegal magazines that can hold 30 rounds of ammunition, which prosecutors said showed he took deliberate steps to make the attack as deadly as possible.

Several members of Alissa’s family, who immigrated to the United States from Syria, testified that he had become withdrawn and spoke less a few years before the shooting. He later began acting paranoid and showed signs of hearing voices, they said, and his condition worsened after he got COVID-19 in late 2020.


Alissa was diagnosed with schizophrenia after the attack and experts said the behaviors described by relatives are consistent with the onset of the disease.

State forensic psychologists who evaluated Alissa concluded he was sane during the shooting. The defence did not have to provide any evidence in the case and did not present any experts to say that Alissa was insane.

Despite the fact that he heard voices, the state psychologists said, Alissa did not experience delusions. They said his fear that he could be jailed or killed by police revealed Alissa knew his actions were wrong.

Alissa repeatedly told the psychologists that he heard voices, including “killing voices” right before the shooting. But Alissa failed during about six hours of interviews to provide more details about the voices or whether they were saying anything specific, forensic psychologist B. Thomas Gray testified.


The defence pointed out that Gray and and his partner, Loandra Torres, did not have full confidence in their sanity finding, largely because Alissa did not provide more information about his experiences even though that could have helped his case. Gray and Torres also said the voices played a role in the attack and they didn’t believe it would have happened if Alissa were not mentally ill.

Mental illness is not the same thing as insanity. Colorado law defines insanity as having a mental disease so severe that it’s impossible for a person to tell right from wrong.

Family members of the victims attended the two-week trial and watched graphic surveillance and police body camera video. Survivors testified about how they fled and in some cases helped others to safety.


Prosecutors did not offer any motive for the shooting. Alissa initially searched online for public places to attack in Boulder, including bars and restaurants, then a day before the shooting focused his research on large stores.

On the day of the attack, he drove from his home in the Denver suburb of Arvada and pulled into the first supermarket in Boulder that he encountered. He shot three victims in the parking lot before entering the store.

An emergency room doctor said she crawled onto a shelf and hid among bags of potato chips. A pharmacist who took cover testified that she heard Alissa say “This is fun” at least three times as he went through the store firing his semi-automatic pistol that resembled an AR-15 rifle.

Alissa’s mother told the court that she thought her son was “sick.” His father testified that he thought Alissa was possessed by a djin, or evil spirit, but did not seek any treatment for his son because it would have been shameful for the family.