Colonialism: Good or Bad

Good or Bad


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Bar Sinister

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It's a very fine line between commenting on those nations that maintained formal policies on colonialism and those societies that simply increased their "borders" by virtue of simple expansion by some of their peoples.

The post is asking a legitimate question; one that has been debated for decades; namely was colonialism (especially 19th century European colonialism a force for good or did the evil associated with it outweigh any benefits. Do you have any insights on the matter?
 

gopher

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''Colonialism is colonialism, the meaning hasen't changed.''

Imagine if someone defended Hitler's Lebensraum. Imagine what people would say in reply.
 

captain morgan

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The post is asking a legitimate question; one that has been debated for decades; namely was colonialism (especially 19th century European colonialism a force for good or did the evil associated with it outweigh any benefits. Do you have any insights on the matter?


It is the post to which I was responding that didn't make sense, not the issue of colonialism itself
 

Trotz

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As much as people like burning on Hitler, you can instead look at how the Soviet Union performed ethnic clensing, genocide and population transfers in Eastern Europe, Baltic and Central Asia. Even the Soviet Union; even though they only had a quarter of Germany, still managed to purge almost a million inhabitants and probably would had purged millions more if Berlin wasn't under the scrutiny of Allied powers.


Germany's crimes are long over and eventually future generations won't care, even statistics point out right now it's mainly the seniles and boomers who take Hitlerism more seriously than everyone else.


Instead, I would look at current Russia and (Han) China who still operates a vast colonial Empire within their own country and even into neighbouring countries (Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Phillipines, Tibet, et al).
 

gopher

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''it's mainly the seniles and boomers who take Hitlerism more seriously than everyone else''

I'm not sure what you mean - are you trying to minimize his atrocities? Please clarify if you will.
 

ironsides

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''Colonialism is colonialism, the meaning hasen't changed.''

Imagine if someone defended Hitler's Lebensraum. Imagine what people would say in reply.

Why would anyone even try to defend what Hitler did no matter the word? What he did was indefensible. But the term Lebensraum could just be construed as another word for colonialism.


In answer to the question was colonialism good or bad? Colonialism was good for the winners who were more technologically advanced than the rest of the world.
 

Tonington

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Eugenics is a tough word. It has so many negative connotations due to the work done by the Nazis.

Eugenics as a movement was negative and flawed before the Nazis came around. Understanding of heredity and genetics in general was very poor when Galton was sketching out his sketchy theory.

Might is right works though.

Definitely.
 

gopher

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''Eugenics as a movement was negative and flawed before the Nazis came around.''

Republicans John Rockefeller, Prescott Bush, and Clarence Gamble were the biggest supporters of that crazed ideology.
 

Tonington

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''Eugenics as a movement was negative and flawed before the Nazis came around.''

Republicans John Rockefeller, Prescott Bush, and Clarence Gamble were the biggest supporters of that crazed ideology.

And in Canada, Alberta passed a Sexual Sterilization Act in 1928, which created a four-person Alberta Eugenics Board. The law was only repealed in 1972, and had approved nearly 5000 sterilizations in that time, though only a little over 2800 were actually performed. 'Like begets like' was the foundation, even though Mendelian inheritance was already well established.
 

Cannuck

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Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ethical re-assessment

Modern inquiries into the potential use of genetic engineering have led to an increased invocation of the history of eugenics in discussions of bioethics, most often as a cautionary tale. Some ethicists suggest that even non-coercive eugenics programs would be inherently unethical.[citation needed] This view has been challenged by such thinkers as Nicholas Agar.[148]
In modern bioethics literature, the history of eugenics presents many moral and ethical questions. Commentators have suggested the new eugenics will come from reproductive technologies that will allow parents to create "designer babies" (which biologist Lee M. Silver prominently called "reprogenetics"). This will be predominantly motivated by individual competitiveness and the desire to create the best opportunities for children, rather than an urge to improve the species as a whole, which characterized the early 20th-century forms of eugenics. Because of its less-obviously coercive nature, lack of involvement by the state and a difference in goals, some commentators have questioned whether such activities are eugenics or something else altogether. Supporters of eugenics programs note that Francis Galton did not advocate coercion when he defined the principles of eugenics.[149] Eugenics is, according to Galton, the proper label for bioengineering of better human beings, whether coercive or not. Critics[who?] counter that conformity and other social and legal pressures make eugenics programs inherently coercive.[citation needed]
An example of such individual motivations includes parents attempting to prevent homosexuality in their children,[150] despite lack of evidence of a single genetic cause of homosexuality. The scientific consensus in America, which stems from the 1956 research of Dr. Evelyn Hooker, is that homosexuality in any case is not a disorder. Therefore, it cannot be treated as a defective trait that is justifiably screened for as part of legitimate medical practice.[151]
Daniel Kevles argues that eugenics and the conservation of natural resources are similar propositions. Both can be practiced foolishly so as to abuse individual rights, but both can be practiced wisely. James D. Watson, the first director of the Human Genome Project, initiated the Ethical, Legal and Social Implications Program (ELSI) which has funded a number of studies into the implications of human genetic engineering (along with a prominent website on the history of eugenics), because:
In putting ethics so soon into the genome agenda, I was responding to my own personal fear that all too soon critics of the Genome Project would point out that I was a representative of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory that once housed the controversial Eugenics Record Office. My not forming a genome ethics program quickly might be falsely used as evidence that I was a closet eugenicist, having as my real long-term purpose the unambiguous identification of genes that lead to social and occupational stratification as well as genes justifying racial discrimination.[152] Distinguished geneticists including Nobel Prize-winners John Sulston ("I don't think one ought to bring a clearly disabled child into the world")[153] and Watson ("Once you have a way in which you can improve our children, no one can stop it")[154] support genetic screening. Which ideas should be described as "eugenic" are still controversial in both public and scholarly spheres. Some observers such as Philip Kitcher have described the use of genetic screening by parents as making possible a form of "voluntary" eugenics.[155]
 

Tonington

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The foundations of eugenics are bad science...and ethically, to control the genetics of a population requires complete control of who is breeding with whom; that is far outside of anything I would call ethical.