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[Reverend Blair]

2002? How can that address incidents being up 50% in 2005?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

:lol: :lol:

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: CN

2002? How can that address incidents being up 50% in 2005?

Oh...

I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say here:

Turns out that derailments are up 50% . The record has growing steadily worse since privatisation

Privatisation took place in 1995, it appears the overall trend is opposite of your claims:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Actually there's conflicting data about that too, ITN. Minor derailments in railyards etc are way up, according to the people who work there. Those don't get reported unless somebody gets hurt though.

The fact is that maintenance is down and traffic and the weight of that traffic is way up. Now we've had two environmental/public safety disasters within a week.

You haven't responded to the fact that there is now an mystery chemical involved in the Alberta oil spill and that CN took over a week to tell us about it though.

I don't know how much you know about WHMIS requirements, but if they were following the laws, there is no way that they didn't know about it.

The second paragraph of my opening post read:

In both cases CN was slow to act, making things worse, and has been unwilling to take full responsibility for the disasters they have caused. They are very careful not to communicate with the public or the media, and seem reluctant to even communicate with the government.

Since you feel the need to defend these bastards, presumably because they are from Chicago, why haven't you responded to that?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: CN

Actually there's conflicting data about that too, ITN. Minor derailments in railyards etc are way up, according to the people who work there. Those don't get reported unless somebody gets hurt though.

Well call the Canadian TSB and have them update their records

The fact is that maintenance is down and traffic and the weight of that traffic is way up. Now we've had two environmental/public safety disasters within a week.

I have no idea if maintenance is down, how do you know this if CN is so secretive about everything? Because they layed off workers to make a profit after the companys 100 year net loss?

You haven't responded to the fact that there is now an mystery chemical involved in the Alberta oil spill and that CN took over a week to tell us about it though.

I don't know how much you know about WHMIS requirements, but if they were following the laws, there is no way that they didn't know about it.

The only thing I felt I had to respond to was your innacurate statement that accidents have been growing since privatisation, which they obviously haven't.

The second paragraph of my opening post read:

In both cases CN was slow to act, making things worse, and has been unwilling to take full responsibility for the disasters they have caused. They are very careful not to communicate with the public or the media, and seem reluctant to even communicate with the government.

Since you feel the need to defend these bastards, presumably because they are from Chicago, why haven't you responded to that?

Actually, I am a major stockholder in CN Rail, didn't you know that? :lol:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well call the Canadian TSB and have them update their records

What happens within the CN yards is not within their scope unless there is an injury or a threat to public health or the environment. They don't keep records on those incidents because those incidents don't have to be reported.

I have no idea if maintenance is down, how do you know this if CN is so secretive about everything? Because they layed off workers to make a profit after the companys 100 year net loss?

If you lay off the people who do the work, then the work is not being done. I live in neighbourhood that was built within walking distance of the CN shops, ITN. Most of the people around here work for CN. Most of them are old enough to have avoided the lay-offs. They all say maintenance is down.

The union has documented maintenance being down. They have documented workplace safety being down too.

The company itself has cut maintenance costs and bragged about it.

The only thing I felt I had to respond to was your innacurate statement that accidents have been growing since privatisation, which they obviously haven't.

Reportable crashes are up 50% in 2005. Look it up.

They have also been found to have a culture of discouraging workers from reporting accidents in litigation between the union and the company. Look it up.

You are trying to dodge the real problem here though ITN. You have been since the start.

In both cases CN was slow to act, making things worse, and has been unwilling to take full responsibility for the disasters they have caused. They are very careful not to communicate with the public or the media, and seem reluctant to even communicate with the government.

CN has been secretive. By doing so they have made the environmental problems worse and endangered the public. You don't dump a toxic chemical into a lake and then not tell anybody about it for a week.

You also don't dump oil into a lake and then say that you haven't got the equipment available to clean it right away. You schedule meetings about it and then refuse to show up until the citizens whose lake you've destroyed block the tracks.

The management at CN is famous for this kind of crap. They need to be massively fined. They need to be heavily regulated. If it continues, they may need to be jailed.

By the way, ITN, you need to check your numbers. CN became profitable about two years before it was privatised. Instead of keeping a profitable Crown corporation so its profits could repay the money it had previously gotten from the public purse and become an ongoing source of income for the Canadian people, it was sold off in the name of unfettered capitalism.

 

[manda]

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I'd love to come….

Is manda a socialist too?

Socialists are OK people to hang out with, just keep you're wallet and the impressionable children out of sight. :wink:

Manda is a Centrist/Anarchist, she's in denial though

I never denied anything....I think I should be put in charge of the world for a month though....BTW, I prefer the terms equalist, or just plain "open" :lol: ....you don't trust me around your wallet or impressionable children? why I have 3 of my own....I'm hurt :crybaby: Yeah, drinking beer and pizza could turn into an olympic debate, couldn't it?

 

[Jay]

You have 3 wallets....wow. :wink:

 

[manda]

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You have 3 wallets....wow. :wink:

Aren't we being a smarty pants.... :lol: you know very well what I mean ppbbllt

 

[Jay]

Sorry....I've been known to act this way, when the mood strikes me....

 

[manda]

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Sorry....I've been known to act this way, when the mood strikes me....

That's ok...me too....It seems that we have lost our "train" :lol: of thought though! he he he he he

 

[I think not]

What happens within the CN yards is not within their scope unless there is an injury or a threat to public health or the environment. They don't keep records on those incidents because those incidents don't have to be reported.

Ah, but they do, should, and most certainly get reported, just ask the Canadian equivalent of the American OSHA, CANOSH. They are the authority having jurisdiction over Occupational Safety.

If you lay off the people who do the work, then the work is not being done. I live in neighbourhood that was built within walking distance of the CN shops, ITN. Most of the people around here work for CN. Most of them are old enough to have avoided the lay-offs. They all say maintenance is down.

If you lay off people that otherwise stood around watching others work, then maintenance isn't down, it is more likely that production is up and thats the way they whine about it.

The union has documented maintenance being down. They have documented workplace safety being down too.

And what has CANOSH have to say about workplace safety being down?

The company itself has cut maintenance costs and bragged about it.

I would brag about it also if I can cut costs. That's why businesses exist, to turn a profit, pay taxes and fuel the economy.

Reportable crashes are up 50% in 2005. Look it up.

And we use which year/years as a frame of reference? 2004?

They have also been found to have a culture of discouraging workers from reporting accidents in litigation between the union and the company. Look it up.

Then I suggest they fire the apparent lazy pig-f*cker that runs their union which only serves to feed his lard ass.

You are trying to dodge the real problem here though ITN. You have been since the start.

In both cases CN was slow to act, making things worse, and has been unwilling to take full responsibility for the disasters they have caused. They are very careful not to communicate with the public or the media, and seem reluctant to even communicate with the government.

CN has been secretive. By doing so they have made the environmental problems worse and endangered the public. You don't dump a toxic chemical into a lake and then not tell anybody about it for a week.

They didn't dump anything, it was an accident until proven otherwise.

You also don't dump oil into a lake and then say that you haven't got the equipment available to clean it right away. You schedule meetings about it and then refuse to show up until the citizens whose lake you've destroyed block the tracks.

Read above

The management at CN is famous for this kind of crap. They need to be massively fined. They need to be heavily regulated. If it continues, they may need to be jailed.

Well they should get in line. Where are all the people responsible for the accidents before 1995? Or are they immune because it was the government running it?

By the way, ITN, you need to check your numbers. CN became profitable about two years before it was privatised. Instead of keeping a profitable Crown corporation so its profits could repay the money it had previously gotten from the public purse and become an ongoing source of income for the Canadian people, it was sold off in the name of unfettered capitalism.

It was sold because it was (and still is apparently) otherwise destined for a museum. And 2 years of profits out of 100 kind of sucks, don't you think? And there has been an overall net loss to Canadian citizens. They could very well have diverted this money pit long ago into something worth while, like your universal health care programs.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: CN

I'd love to come….

Is manda a socialist too?

Socialists are OK people to hang out with, just keep you're wallet and the impressionable children out of sight. :wink:

Manda is a Centrist/Anarchist, she's in denial though

I never denied anything....I think I should be put in charge of the world for a month though....BTW, I prefer the terms equalist, or just plain "open" :lol: ....you don't trust me around your wallet or impressionable children? why I have 3 of my own....I'm hurt :crybaby: Yeah, drinking beer and pizza could turn into an olympic debate, couldn't it?

Whatever you are Manda, you're still a cool chick

 

[Jay]

She seems cool to me too.....but I'm easily impressed. :wink:

 

[mrmom2]

ITN why are you defending the undefendable :? I told you I know a car matenece worker and the cars are no longer beioing checked or repaired when they come out of the mountans and believe me the should be :wink: They used to and there never was a problem now they don't and theres huge problems .You need to travel the mountains here to get the idea the pound the shit outof trains and the tracks are right beside all our important rivers .They should be forced to take better care :wink: You don't have mountain passes like these anywhere near you come take a look :wink:

 

[I think not]

ITN why are you defending the undefendable :? I told you I know a car matenece worker and the cars are no longer beioing checked or repaired when they come out of the mountans and believe me the should be :wink: They used to and there never was a problem now they don't and theres huge problems .You need to travel the mountains here to get the idea the pound the shit outof trains and the tracks are right beside all our important rivers .They should be forced to take better care :wink: You don't have mountain passes like these anywhere near you come take a look :wink:

I am coming to take another look. See you in October :wink:
This entire conversation started when the Rev implied CN Rail was somehow a cash cow and the undisputed technological wonder of modern railways, until of course it became privatised. At which point its sole puprose is to "dump" chemicals in the environment, just to piss off everybody and lose millions in cleanup.

 

[manda]

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She seems cool to me too.....but I'm easily impressed. :wink:

Whatever you are Manda, you're still a cool chick

Why thank-you! I feel so admired! I do what I can, without comprimising my principals, of course :wink:

 

[Jay]

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I am coming to take another look. See you in October :wink:

So...you're cheat'n on me....with mrmom eh? :wink:

 

[I think not]

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I am coming to take another look. See you in October :wink:

So...you're cheat'n on me....with mrmom eh? :wink:

Mrmom doesn't have a ponytail, hence he is not my type

 

[Reverend Blair]

Nice bunch of anti-union bullshit, ITN. Your neo-con roots are showing.