Clement steered G8 funding in riding, documents show

CDNBear

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Change is actually possible, but if we keep doing what we've always done, we're going to continue to get what we've always gotten.
And you go around being selective about what you find contemptable, calling political parties "Nazi's", openly mocking politicians whose political leaning you despise, in the most childish of fashion.

No one will take you serious.

Nor should they.

Okay. well.. umm.. that's great for you!
I know it is. Your grasp of the obvious, is nothing less than breath taking.

As for selective.. here's a typically conservative journalist (and not one of my favourites, though he is one of Colpy's) who also agrees
Your point?

Can you point to where I said that there was nothing wrong with what Tony pulled off?

The journalist is obviously objective.

You should try it sometime.
 

mentalfloss

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The journalist is obviously objective.

You should try it sometime.

His opinion is subjective - even if I do agree with it.

Even the most factually based news pieces are still subjective to some degree.


The deception will continue because, for the most part, we Canadians sit around bitching and moaning about the Conservatives until we get tired of bitching and moaning about the Conservatives and elect a Liberal government. We then proceed to bitch and moan about the Liberals and so on and so forth. It's the circle of life. And yes, it is wrong but there you have it.

Who says we should only bitch and moan about the party in power? All parties should receive corrective scrutiny.

And who says that the natural course is for the Liberals to be put in power? If the conservatives can maintain some of their fundamental core concepts as a party and actually acknowledge criticism, then they can justly remain in power.

Oh I'm sorry, did I just say something that would benefit the PC party?

Must be my ideological tick kicking in again.
 

CDNBear

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His opinion is subjective - even if I do agree with it.

Even the most factually based news pieces are still subjective to some degree.
Umm, you do understand the difference between talking about the journalist and the article right?

Shall I explain the mistake you made in your failed attempt to correct me?

Who says we should only bitch and moan about the party in power? All parties should receive corrective scrutiny.
Yes they should. It's funny that you defend one spectrum though.

And who says that the natural course is for the Liberals to be put in power? If the conservatives can maintain some of their fundamental core concepts as a party and actually acknowledge criticism, then they can justly remain in power.

Oh I'm sorry, did I just say something that would benefit the PC party?
Or maybe you're growing up. I'm leaning to bandaids on your facade myself.

Must be my ideological tick kicking in again.
Up your meds.
 

SLM

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Who says we should only bitch and moan about the party in power? All parties should receive corrective scrutiny.

And who says that the natural course is for the Liberals to be put in power? If the conservatives can maintain some of their fundamental core concepts as a party and actually acknowledge criticism, then they can justly remain in power.

I never said we should, I said we do. Very big difference. But go ahead, feel free to change the patterned behaviour of 30 some odd million people. I wish you well with that, I really do.

Also never stated it was natural for the Liberals to be in power. I shill for no one.

Bascially, I don't give a damn who's in power as long as they stop wasting my freaking money.

And you go around being selective about what you find contemptable, calling political parties "Nazi's", openly mocking politicians whose political leaning you despise, in the most childish of fashion.

Absolutely. Judge individuals on their behaviour, not on their political ideology, their nationality, their religion, etc.

And you already know how I feel about the whole Nazi thing too. :)
 

CDNBear

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Mmm mm.. Look at all that selective contempt.
Again, your grasp of the obvious, is nothing less than breath taking.

Or perhaps you have a comprehension issue, and missed the point where I stated you'll get nothing but my contempt, until your posts exhibit some growth and maturity.

I take it, since you didn't try and defend it, that you understand your failure. But lack the maturity or fortitude to openly admit it or apologize?

I never said we should, I said we do. Very big difference.

Also never stated it was natural for the Liberals to be in power. I shill for no one.
Don't take it to heart, when mentalfloss runs out of steam, he just makes it up.
 
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mentalfloss

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I never said we should, I said we do. Very big difference. But go ahead, feel free to change the patterned behaviour of 30 some odd million people. I wish you well with that, I really do.

No, I don't expect to change the patterned behaviour of millions of voters - just stating an opinion.

I understand that you were making a reflective post.

Again, your grasp of the obvious, is nothing less than breath taking.

Or perhaps you have a comprehension issue, and missed the point where I stated you'll get nothing but my contempt, until your posts exhibit some growth and maturity.

Well, then you're a hypocrite because that "growth and maturity" is based on your own subjective yardstick and that still qualifies as selective contempt.
 

SLM

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No, I don't expect to change the patterned behaviour of millions of voters - just stating an opinion.

I understand that you were making a reflective post.

And don't knock the bitching and moaning either.

Forget healthcare or multiculturalism.

Collective complaining is the true glue that holds this nation together. Mostly in regards to snowfall and hockey, but occassionally politics as well.
 

CDNBear

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Well, then you're a hypocrite because that "growth and maturity" is based on your own subjective yardstick and that still qualifies as selective contempt.
Ya, I'll agree. But after raising a couple kids, I'm well aware of what maturity and growth looks like. Your posts ain't it.
 

CDNBear

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Come to the island. There are some neat war canoes just down the road.
Any for sale? Cheap?

We're looking for a couple, for a Native youth group I'm involved with.

ETA: Funny I need to scrounge canoes and bows for a Native youth group. Since us Injins get everything handed to us, lol.
 

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Any for sale?

We're looking for a couple, for a Native youth group I'm involved with.

No Idea. Would a Dragon Boat work?
We are going to Pachina Bay on the weekend and I know they carve canoes there. Don't know if anyone on the local res carves canoes or not I just know that they have some. Some carvers in Alert Bay though.

No Idea. Would a Dragon Boat work?
We are going to Pachina Bay on the weekend and I know they carve canoes there. Don't know if anyone on the local res carves canoes or not I just know that they have some. Some carvers in Alert Bay though.

Also Cowichan Bay. They have several carvers.

This little slush fund couldn't have been much of a secret if the dippers found out about it.

Bear; I will ask my daughter in law if anyone in her band carves canoes
 

CDNBear

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No Idea. Would a Dragon Boat work?
We are going to Pachina Bay on the weekend and I know they carve canoes there. Don't know if anyone on the local res carves canoes or not I just know that they have some. Some carvers in Alert Bay though.



Also Cowichan Bay. They have several carvers.

This little slush fund couldn't have been much of a secret if the dippers found out about it.

Bear; I will ask my daughter in law if anyone in her band carves canoes
Thanks bud.
 

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G8 legacy fund used to buy Clement’s re-election, NDP claims


OTTAWA—The NDP is accusing federal Conservative cabinet minister Tony Clement of using a controversial, $50-million G8 legacy fund to buy re-election.

Municipal documents obtained by the New Democrats show Clement met with local mayors and councillors in the midst of the 2008 election campaign. They discussed how to identify projects that could be eligible for the legacy funding.

Twelve days after that meeting, a local news outlet reported that Clement had posted video endorsements from “local townspeople, mayors and council members” on his campaign website.
“It gave him a major advantage over the other candidates,” New Democrat MP Charlie Angus said in an interview Thursday.

“I think the question has to be asked: Was this a $50 million price of an election?”

Clement, who had barely won his Parry Sound-Muskoka riding by a margin of only 28 votes in 2006, easily won re-election two years later with a whopping margin of almost 11,000 votes.

However, a spokesperson for the minister said Clement — as the minister responsible for northern Ontario’s regional development agency at the time — had a duty to be involved in legacy fund deliberations, including during the election.

“You will note that during the writ period ministers of the Crown retain their said duties and are required to continue to carry those duties out,” Heather Hume said in an email. Hume added the meeting was scheduled several months before the election was called. She noted that the legacy fund did not actually exist at that point and said no funding decisions were made by local officials at that meeting, or any other subsequent meetings.

“The local committee was a non-decision making body. . . All decisions were made by the minister of infrastructure and his officials.”

The fund was supposed to help support the G8 summit, held in Huntsville in June 2010, and to provide a legacy for the region. It was spent on 32 projects throughout the riding, including gazebos, public toilets and other municipal beautification initiatives that were often hours away from the summit site and never seen or used by summit leaders and their entourages.

The auditor general has blasted the Harper government for keeping Parliament in the dark about the legacy fund. The money was taken from another fund that Parliament had approved for relieving congestion at border crossings.

The auditor general has also criticized the government for shutting bureaucrats out of the process and for maintaining no paper trail to explain how or why the projects were selected.

However, hundreds of pages of municipal documents obtained by the NDP through provincial freedom of information legislation, show that federal bureaucrats did in fact participate in local meetings about the legacy fund — including the one held during the 2008 campaign.

The documents also show that municipal officials were told to direct all questions and send funding applications to Clement’s constituency office, not the government. “It’s a complete twisting of the role of government and distribution of funds to make it appear as if this was something that was being given out of the back of Tony’s car as his own personal gift to the riding,” Angus said.

Former Liberal MP Marlene Jennings said the latest revelations strengthen her call for an RCMP investigation into the legacy fund. “They created a completely parallel (funding and project selection) system in order to hide what they did,” she said, and that suggests the government “knowingly and wilfully” broke the law.

Jennings asked the Mounties in mid-April to investigate whether the irregular way in which the legacy fund was set up violated the Appropriations Act and the Financial Administration Act. She was interviewed by three Mounties in June and received notification from the force on Thursday that its “review of the matter is continuing.”

Clement has dismissed the police review as a Liberal “PR stunt.” But Jennings said she’s heartened by the fact that the RCMP is still looking into the affair, four months after her initial complaint.
“It means they’re not treating it like it’s a PR stunt,” she said.

Canada News: G8 legacy fund used to buy Clement
 

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All I can say is Clement makes the Libs and Adscam look like pikers. 50M over 2 counties and a population of 97,000 vs 100M+ over a province & the country's second largest city with a population of 7M+
 

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All I can say is Clement makes the Libs and Adscam look like pikers. 50M over 2 counties and a population of 97,000 vs 100M+ over a province & the country's second largest city with a population of 7M+

Yup.

Still doesn't make it right though.
 

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""""Actually, this flap isn’t new, strictly speaking. It’s an old flap, revived. One of Mr. Clement’s 100 greatest flaps, brought back due to public demand.""""


Ah, nothing tastes better than refried flaps.;-)

Unless it's a flip flop flap. They's good.

Anyone keeping a list of the flip flop flaps, if not the flip flop flaps fall flat.