CIA & "Secret" Terrorism Prisons
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RE: CIA & "Secret" Terror
US civil rights group to sue CIA
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A US civil rights groups says it is taking the CIA to court to stop the transportation of terror suspects to countries outside US legal authority.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says the intelligence agency has broken both US and international law.
It is acting for a man allegedly flown to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she'll comment on recent reports of alleged CIA prisons abroad before starting a visit to Europe on Monday.
"The lawsuit will charge that CIA officials at the highest level violated US and universal human rights laws when they authorised agents to abduct an innocent man, detain him in incommunicado, beat him, drug and transport him to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan," the ACLU said in a news release.[/teaser]
I hope they succeed. The CIA is doing a horrible thing as is USG and these human rights violations must stop and someone very high up (preferably"W" and his crime family) must be held accountable for these atrocities.
US civil rights group to sue CIA
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A US civil rights groups says it is taking the CIA to court to stop the transportation of terror suspects to countries outside US legal authority.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says the intelligence agency has broken both US and international law.
It is acting for a man allegedly flown to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she'll comment on recent reports of alleged CIA prisons abroad before starting a visit to Europe on Monday.
"The lawsuit will charge that CIA officials at the highest level violated US and universal human rights laws when they authorised agents to abduct an innocent man, detain him in incommunicado, beat him, drug and transport him to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan," the ACLU said in a news release.[/teaser]
I hope they succeed. The CIA is doing a horrible thing as is USG and these human rights violations must stop and someone very high up (preferably"W" and his crime family) must be held accountable for these atrocities.
I agree.
With a caveat.
The civil liberties groups will hardly change the nature of the administration or the bureaucracy of the CIA, which is actually more at war with itself and the administration at this time.
With a caveat.
The civil liberties groups will hardly change the nature of the administration or the bureaucracy of the CIA, which is actually more at war with itself and the administration at this time.
"US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she'll comment on recent reports of alleged CIA prisons abroad before starting a visit to Europe on Monday. "
I confess to being very anxious to hear what she has to say.
I confess to being very anxious to hear what she has to say.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051203...GPbMKWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
C.Rice to Europe:..."back off". :evil: ( that is the anticipated "response"
well!! another way of avoiding the issue. How about the US BACK (FOKKING )OFF for a change.
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C.Rice to Europe:..."back off". :evil: ( that is the anticipated "response"
well!! another way of avoiding the issue. How about the US BACK (FOKKING )OFF for a change.
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Rice 'to talk tough on CIA claim'
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to go on the offensive over EU concerns that the US has operated secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe.
According to media reports in both the US and UK, Ms Rice will tell European allies to "back off" over the issue.
Last month the EU wrote to Ms Rice expressing misgivings over the alleged jails and reports CIA planes carrying detainees had stopped in EU countries. [/teaser]
Back off? Definatley she has something to hide.
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to go on the offensive over EU concerns that the US has operated secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe.
According to media reports in both the US and UK, Ms Rice will tell European allies to "back off" over the issue.
Last month the EU wrote to Ms Rice expressing misgivings over the alleged jails and reports CIA planes carrying detainees had stopped in EU countries. [/teaser]
Back off? Definatley she has something to hide.
Man, it may be hypcrisy for the world to talk about this subject, but America must renounce Torture COMPLETELY.
no1important said:
just another vivid example of the US Having to have ITS way and the rest of the world can go to hell. The US could care less what the rest of the world thinks.... and particularly about human rights issues , legal issues etc. It will do as it wants, when it wants and that is it. But there is a major downside to this attitude that they will eventually find out. .....as they are too myopic to see it now.
(hey, isn't "back off" a favorite language of the classic BULLY??? :evil: :twisted: ........so no surprise there.)
.....by taking this "back off" approach.......the US is virtually /literally admitting that it condones, supports, and endorses torture and particularly in secret prisons. ( this would have made people like hitler /ilk.......green with envy) Just imagine torture chambers scattered all over the planet , guarded to the point that anyone coming near them simply gets shot. No questions asked.-------and no one knows for certain how many there are now.
Now that , is EVIL personified.
when one thinks about it.......OBL did bushie a big favor.......IF he was behind the attacks in the US. There is NO way bush would be getting away with this if there had been no 9-11. Talk about partners in crime. (no wonder they ain't too concerned about locating OBL..... or they have and he is safely ensconsed under US protection. Would not surprise one .....one tiny bit. With the degree of secrecy involved in the current USR.......anything is possible.
It's wrong. It is too bad John McCain is not put in charge to end this screwed up stand on torture and detention centers.
RE: CIA & "Secret" Terror
McCain won't compromise on torture ban
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WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain, a prisoner of war who was tortured in Vietnam, said Sunday he will refuse to yield on his demands that the White House agree with his proposed ban on the use of torture to extract information from suspected terrorists.
"I won't," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked whether he would compromise with the Bush administration. He is insisting on his language that no person in U.S. custody should be subject to "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."[/teaser]
Too Bad the "W" crime family won't listen to him. He is a wise man. What a shame "W" and the boys do not listen to opposing views, even from their own party.
McCain won't compromise on torture ban
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WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain, a prisoner of war who was tortured in Vietnam, said Sunday he will refuse to yield on his demands that the White House agree with his proposed ban on the use of torture to extract information from suspected terrorists.
"I won't," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked whether he would compromise with the Bush administration. He is insisting on his language that no person in U.S. custody should be subject to "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."[/teaser]
Too Bad the "W" crime family won't listen to him. He is a wise man. What a shame "W" and the boys do not listen to opposing views, even from their own party.
Re: RE: CIA & "Secret" Terrorism Prisons
it is VERY wrong, jim. It is unethical, immoral and illegal. .....and yet ......there ya have it.
One can only guess what goes on there .... There is no information about these places. No numbers of prisoners. No numbers of deceased........(and one can safely "bet" there have been deaths there )
Maybe the world is seeing the US in its true form for the first time........ and it ain't pretty. But then , it had to happen sooner or later.......as putting on a facade can go on for so long...before the cracks become apparent. Very sad for the US and extremely sad for the population...... as this is how the image of the US will stand for some time now. No cosmetic spin is going to change that.
jimmoyer said:
it is VERY wrong, jim. It is unethical, immoral and illegal. .....and yet ......there ya have it.
One can only guess what goes on there .... There is no information about these places. No numbers of prisoners. No numbers of deceased........(and one can safely "bet" there have been deaths there )
Maybe the world is seeing the US in its true form for the first time........ and it ain't pretty. But then , it had to happen sooner or later.......as putting on a facade can go on for so long...before the cracks become apparent. Very sad for the US and extremely sad for the population...... as this is how the image of the US will stand for some time now. No cosmetic spin is going to change that.
Re: RE: CIA & "Secret" Terror
good for him !!! He has the most "common sense" of them all,it seems. But criminals have a way of destroying a LOT before they are brought to justice...........IF they will be.
How can the American population put up with this?? It boggles.
no1important said:
good for him !!! He has the most "common sense" of them all,it seems. But criminals have a way of destroying a LOT before they are brought to justice...........IF they will be.
How can the American population put up with this?? It boggles.
How can the Americans put up with this?
In a democracy, EVERYTHING gets debated.
I fight my Republican friends all the time on this matter and cannot shake their conviction that Torture may get some information that will save more lives.
It's the argument of choosing the lesser evil.
I cannot shake them from this conviction that what if they stopped one guy from killing a 1000 people ?
I think we can fight smarter, do better than relying on Torture. There are enough other things we are NOT DOING to provide security to our citizens that can still cause far more harm.
Even after 9/11 none of our major cities, except for New York and Miami, are connecting all first responders, Police, Fire, Ambulance, FEMA on the same radio wave lengths at a command center.
Not doing this is tantatmount to losing thousands of lives.
They stare at me, and just say, well we should do that too and that such an argument does not stop torture lite for good purpose either.
It's a tough argument of YOU or THEM.
And because they believe in personal responsibility they don't believe in the philosophy that says some one else's sin exonerates you from committing a crime.
I think they don't understand that a policy of Torture is creating more problems than it solves.
In a democracy, EVERYTHING gets debated.
I fight my Republican friends all the time on this matter and cannot shake their conviction that Torture may get some information that will save more lives.
It's the argument of choosing the lesser evil.
I cannot shake them from this conviction that what if they stopped one guy from killing a 1000 people ?
I think we can fight smarter, do better than relying on Torture. There are enough other things we are NOT DOING to provide security to our citizens that can still cause far more harm.
Even after 9/11 none of our major cities, except for New York and Miami, are connecting all first responders, Police, Fire, Ambulance, FEMA on the same radio wave lengths at a command center.
Not doing this is tantatmount to losing thousands of lives.
They stare at me, and just say, well we should do that too and that such an argument does not stop torture lite for good purpose either.
It's a tough argument of YOU or THEM.
And because they believe in personal responsibility they don't believe in the philosophy that says some one else's sin exonerates you from committing a crime.
I think they don't understand that a policy of Torture is creating more problems than it solves.
that would be my assessment too. Linear thinking??
yes, in a "democracy" there is a lot of debate and the wheels of action /decision making take time. But there are some decisions that rise to the forefront and humanitarianism is one of them.
One cannot condemn other nations for torture if one is not prepared to completely give it up oneself. The influence is lost .
I'm not sure how linear thinking applies here.
But I am sure that this idea of personal responsibility blinds them. They really don't believe in a culture that has problems should be used as an excuse for a person to commit a crime.
They believe adamantly that YOU are responsible ONLY for what YOU do.
I agree that such a philosophy is certainly in the minority of this world today. It would teach us to be embarrassed to use excuses. It would teach us to never blame our own sin on someone else. It would teach us that perhaps desperation and challenge are the mother of invention. It would teach us not to live our lives in victim psychology.
But, I agree more with Mother Teresa's thought.
You teach them how to fish. I will feed them fish until they are strong enough to fish.
And I also think the ideology of Personal Responsibility is such a hard task master that it has little mercy for the idea that we human beings get worn down, too old, too tired, too hurt, too dispirited to have the energy to do the right thing.
But I am sure that this idea of personal responsibility blinds them. They really don't believe in a culture that has problems should be used as an excuse for a person to commit a crime.
They believe adamantly that YOU are responsible ONLY for what YOU do.
I agree that such a philosophy is certainly in the minority of this world today. It would teach us to be embarrassed to use excuses. It would teach us to never blame our own sin on someone else. It would teach us that perhaps desperation and challenge are the mother of invention. It would teach us not to live our lives in victim psychology.
But, I agree more with Mother Teresa's thought.
You teach them how to fish. I will feed them fish until they are strong enough to fish.
And I also think the ideology of Personal Responsibility is such a hard task master that it has little mercy for the idea that we human beings get worn down, too old, too tired, too hurt, too dispirited to have the energy to do the right thing.
good points jim...... thanks..
what is baffling is how they can endorse torture or justify it on their rationale and yet condemn it so vociferously in another nation.
Would they make a case for people like SH torturing people by cutting off ears etc ......if it suited their purpose. ??
Their thinking is flawed. and very rigid ..... while being self oriented.
Now, of course the USR has lost the right to condemn any other nation for ascribing to torture and such measures......as it does it too. In this sense it has lost a lot of "power" and influence. If one does not practice what one preaches.............well, ya get the drift.
what is baffling is how they can endorse torture or justify it on their rationale and yet condemn it so vociferously in another nation.
Would they make a case for people like SH torturing people by cutting off ears etc ......if it suited their purpose. ??
Their thinking is flawed. and very rigid ..... while being self oriented.
Now, of course the USR has lost the right to condemn any other nation for ascribing to torture and such measures......as it does it too. In this sense it has lost a lot of "power" and influence. If one does not practice what one preaches.............well, ya get the drift.
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=18494&s2=07
request to close down prisons. (S. Iraq)
inmates are asked to sign agreements not to sue , when they are released.....
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request to close down prisons. (S. Iraq)
inmates are asked to sign agreements not to sue , when they are released.....
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RE: CIA & "Secret" Terror
U.S. admits mistakenly holding German as terror suspect
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BERLIN – German Chancellor Angela Merkel said today that the United States has admitted making a mistake in the case of a German national who claimed he was wrongfully imprisoned by the CIA.
Merkel spoke during a press conference with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who refused to discuss specifics with reporters. The two women leaders' first meeting was dominated by questions about U.S. terrorism policies, including the five-month detention of Lebanese-born Khaled al-Masri and reports of secret CIA prisons and potentially illegal use of European airports and airspace to transport terror suspects.
"The American administration is not denying" it erred in the case of al-Masri, Merkel said through a translator.
Merkel welcomed that admission and added that she is grateful for Rice's assurances that the United States conducts anti-terror operations legally and without the use of torture.[/teaser]
Man she was not kidding that she wanted Germany to have closer relations with the US, she seems to of bought the bushit quite easily.
The US seems to of rounded up many people on the vague notion they may be a terrorist. I wonder how many innocent people have been tortured, terrorized and unlawfully detained by the Bush crime family? And that Merkel buys the US bs right up. :roll:
Sounds like the Bush Crime Family through the CIA and other agencies are on a witch hunt and "mistakes" are a form of collateral damage. Human rights be dammed in this era of the Bush Crime Family. :evil:
U.S. admits mistakenly holding German as terror suspect
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BERLIN – German Chancellor Angela Merkel said today that the United States has admitted making a mistake in the case of a German national who claimed he was wrongfully imprisoned by the CIA.
Merkel spoke during a press conference with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who refused to discuss specifics with reporters. The two women leaders' first meeting was dominated by questions about U.S. terrorism policies, including the five-month detention of Lebanese-born Khaled al-Masri and reports of secret CIA prisons and potentially illegal use of European airports and airspace to transport terror suspects.
"The American administration is not denying" it erred in the case of al-Masri, Merkel said through a translator.
Merkel welcomed that admission and added that she is grateful for Rice's assurances that the United States conducts anti-terror operations legally and without the use of torture.[/teaser]
Man she was not kidding that she wanted Germany to have closer relations with the US, she seems to of bought the bushit quite easily.
The US seems to of rounded up many people on the vague notion they may be a terrorist. I wonder how many innocent people have been tortured, terrorized and unlawfully detained by the Bush crime family? And that Merkel buys the US bs right up. :roll:
Sounds like the Bush Crime Family through the CIA and other agencies are on a witch hunt and "mistakes" are a form of collateral damage. Human rights be dammed in this era of the Bush Crime Family. :evil:
[quoteCIA 'emptied secret jails' before Rice Europe trip
By Alec Russell in Washington and Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 07/12/2005)
The CIA last month emptied two secret prisons in Eastern Europe of terrorist suspects in a frantic effort to defuse the "rendition" controversy ahead of Condoleezza Rice's visit to Europe, sources in the agency have claimed.
Eleven leading al-Qa'eda suspects were transferred to a new CIA facility in North Africa, current and former officers told ABC television.
Condoleezza Rice and Angela Merkel after a tense meeting at the Chancellery in Berlin
The allegation emerged as Miss Rice, the US secretary of state, had an awkward meeting with Angela Merkel, the new German chancellor.
It had been billed as the start of a new era of relations but instead it was dominated by the transatlantic row over the CIA's activities in Europe, and one case in which the CIA allegedly mistook a German citizen for a terrorist suspect and abducted him.
The Bush administration has refused to confirm or deny that the CIA runs "black sites" in Eastern Europe to hold terrorist suspects outside the reach of US law. The allegations were made in the Washington Post last month.
The controversy intensified with the release of more detailed allegations on ABC News yesterday. It claimed that 11 top terrorist suspects were held on a former Soviet air base in Eastern Europe until some time last month.
Several of them were later held at a second base, CIA officials told the network. They were all moved to North Africa after the Post's report.
Ten of the detainees were subjected to the harshest interrogation techniques allowed, the network alleged.
Miss Rice sought to mollify critics in Germany, the first stop of her four-day tour, yesterday when she admitted America had made "mistakes" in its fight against terrorism. The Bush administration would, she said, do everything it could to rectify them.
A large part of her talks with Mrs Merkel concentrated on the case of the German national, Khaled el Masri. He was allegedly flown by the CIA from the Balkans to Afghanistan, held for five months and released because he was the wrong man.
"I am happy to say that we spoke about the individual case, which the US administration has accepted as a mistake," Mrs Merkel said.
US officials later however bridled at Mrs Merkel's comments. They said Miss Rice had informed Germany about Mr Masri's detention and release. "We are not quite sure what was in her head," one senior US official said, referring to the German chancellor.
The official added that Mrs Merkel might have drawn her conclusion from media reports rather than from communication with the US government.
The row was the worst possible conclusion to a meeting that both countries had hoped would usher in a friendlier period of relations following the appalling relationship between Gerhard Schröder, Mrs Merkel's predecessor, and President George W Bush.
Mrs Merkel stressed that while agreeing on the need to fight terrorism she did not support any illegal methods.
kate.connolly@telegraph.co.uk
editorial@telegraph-usa.com
][/quote]
By Alec Russell in Washington and Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 07/12/2005)
The CIA last month emptied two secret prisons in Eastern Europe of terrorist suspects in a frantic effort to defuse the "rendition" controversy ahead of Condoleezza Rice's visit to Europe, sources in the agency have claimed.
Eleven leading al-Qa'eda suspects were transferred to a new CIA facility in North Africa, current and former officers told ABC television.
Condoleezza Rice and Angela Merkel after a tense meeting at the Chancellery in Berlin
The allegation emerged as Miss Rice, the US secretary of state, had an awkward meeting with Angela Merkel, the new German chancellor.
It had been billed as the start of a new era of relations but instead it was dominated by the transatlantic row over the CIA's activities in Europe, and one case in which the CIA allegedly mistook a German citizen for a terrorist suspect and abducted him.
The Bush administration has refused to confirm or deny that the CIA runs "black sites" in Eastern Europe to hold terrorist suspects outside the reach of US law. The allegations were made in the Washington Post last month.
The controversy intensified with the release of more detailed allegations on ABC News yesterday. It claimed that 11 top terrorist suspects were held on a former Soviet air base in Eastern Europe until some time last month.
Several of them were later held at a second base, CIA officials told the network. They were all moved to North Africa after the Post's report.
Ten of the detainees were subjected to the harshest interrogation techniques allowed, the network alleged.
Miss Rice sought to mollify critics in Germany, the first stop of her four-day tour, yesterday when she admitted America had made "mistakes" in its fight against terrorism. The Bush administration would, she said, do everything it could to rectify them.
A large part of her talks with Mrs Merkel concentrated on the case of the German national, Khaled el Masri. He was allegedly flown by the CIA from the Balkans to Afghanistan, held for five months and released because he was the wrong man.
"I am happy to say that we spoke about the individual case, which the US administration has accepted as a mistake," Mrs Merkel said.
US officials later however bridled at Mrs Merkel's comments. They said Miss Rice had informed Germany about Mr Masri's detention and release. "We are not quite sure what was in her head," one senior US official said, referring to the German chancellor.
The official added that Mrs Merkel might have drawn her conclusion from media reports rather than from communication with the US government.
The row was the worst possible conclusion to a meeting that both countries had hoped would usher in a friendlier period of relations following the appalling relationship between Gerhard Schröder, Mrs Merkel's predecessor, and President George W Bush.
Mrs Merkel stressed that while agreeing on the need to fight terrorism she did not support any illegal methods.
kate.connolly@telegraph.co.uk
editorial@telegraph-usa.com
][/quote]