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Motar

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Interesting, and you consider the entire Bible to be THE word of God and follow it "religiously". Is that correct?

I believe I answered this question in post#141 of this thread, Gerry : )
 

gerryh

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It's what I am used to from the likes of you Motar. No direct answers. Quotes from the Bible instead of a direct answer. Baffle em with bullshyte. That's your mantra.
 

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Think that's bad try Irish and Indian, but to give her credit she never tried to kill me, pissed me off so I thought about killing her. -:)
It's a great combination. Produces the most intellectually brilliant, emotionally healthy, and just plain damn sexy people in the world!
 

darkbeaver

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All this ancient scriptural data accentuates the fact that not the historical Jesus, but the spiritual Christ, or the god within the individual heart (as expounded in the lecture on Platonic Philosophy in the Bible) is the subject of the sacred writings of old, and the kernel of the whole religious ideology. Angelus Silesius has expressed this in a stanza which should be a perpetual reminder of the futility of clinging to the historical interpretation of Gospel literature.
Though Christ a thousand times in Bethlehem be born,
But not within thyself, thy soul will be forlorn;
The cross on Golgotha thou lookest to in vain
Unless within thyself it be set up again.




The birth, the baptism, the temptation, the crucifixion, the trial, the bloody sweat, the transfiguration, the resurrection, the ascension, the purgation, the judgment, the death on the cross of matter, the divine sacrifice,--every phase of spiritual symbolism will once again take on vivid meaning when seen as ancient poetic typology of the incarnation of divine principle in the flesh.



The feminine or material energies being symbolized in ancient books by the (lower, not the higher) serpent, the meaning of Moses' "lifting up" the serpent on the cross in the wilderness (of this earthly life) at once becomes clear. And Jesus's statement that "if I be lifted up (from his lowly descent into matter) I will draw all men unto me." is another form of the representation of this meaning. And again, since this incubation of soul in body involved for it an experience paralleling that of the "death" a nd burial of the seed in the ground, incarnation is found to be the cryptic meaning of the word "death" as used in the scriptures. Therefore the "resurrection from the dead" is only the soul's final release in victory from the last of its physical embodiments!


It is possibly true that literation started with the utilization of the two simplest elements of written symbolism, the vertical line I and the circle O. At any rate it is to be shown here that nearly all divine names in antiquity were built up from and upon these two. For the Egyptians of remote past time had combined the two in the form of what is almost certainly the most ancient of cross symbols, the crux ansata, ansated cross, called by them the A N K H (more recently spelled E N K H), an O topping an I with a horizontal line at the point of contact. It represents by the O above, the endless existence of that which is the indestructible primordial matter, the eternal Mother of all things; and by the I below, it indicates the emanation of creative mind, or spirit power, from the heart of the great sea of first matter plunging downward. The horizontal bar shows both their conjunction and their separation, as does any boundary line between two areas. But the median line is important also because it marks the meeting point between the two poles of spirit and matter, since it is at this point that all reality is brought out to manifestation through the union of the two. The ANKH is the astrological symbol

styled "the fish-mother" of the Son of God! Atergatis and Semiramus were particularly so named. Jonah allegorism was immediately at hand to harmonize with the interpretation, as fabling the great fish that ingested, then delivered at his proper destination, the Christos. Unquestionably "Jonah" is a variant of the divine name, Jesus, which is found in some twenty-five or more forms in the Old Testament. One of these is "Joshua," as to which there is not the slightest possibility of dispute as to its identity with "Jesus." And now comes an unexpected and astonishing further corroboration. Joshua is "son of Nun," and Nun is the name of the Hebrew letter "N" and means, of all things,--"fish." Joshua (Jesus), son of the fish, or fish-mother. And the Greek world in the first three centuries of Christianity denominated the Christian Jesus as Ichthys (Ichthus), the Greek word for "fish." Augustine and Tertullian both expressly name Jesus as the great fish, and his followers as the "little fishes," (Latin, pisciculi). Nor is this all--or the most significant detail.
 

gopher

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What is the context of John 17:17, Gerry.



The greatest online source for biblical study is Blue Letter Bible.


Here are the individual words and their definitions from that verse:


BLB - Jhn 17: Gospel of John 17 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)




Here are commentaries on that verse:


Text Commentaries: Chuck Smith (Blue Letter Bible: John)



Briefly, Jesus was praying for his disciples - he prayed that God may inspire them with "truth" via the Holy Spirit so that they could overcome the many adversities they would face in their long and arduous travels. "Sanctify" meaning 'make them holy' so that they make succeed in their divine mission.
 

cj44

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Beavs,
Thank you for this explanation. I find it the most straightforward presentation of your beliefs. Easy reading to sink into my titanium cranium. When encountering a new philosophy or belief, I first look to see what is done with the matter of sin. The beliefs you have written here indicate we must save ourself. In my humble opinion, the "save yourself" theme runs through every religion/philosophy/belief other than Christianity. Here is where the devil has set up shop and has been in business through the ages. Everyone keeps buying what he is selling. So many plaster over sin for fear it may damage their self esteem. It goes unrecogonized, unacknowledged and unworthy of consideration. A percentage imagine they are "good enough" because their god resembles santa claus. Others refuse to even consider that God is Holy. Should we hear the Lord declare, "I will not be inquired of you", we stomp our feet and demand the Lord bow to us. Perhaps that is why the Biblical Jesus is so often rejected. Our sinful hearts do not like rules, we prefer our own way and we certainly do not want to worship the Lord. We be fools! God is loving and kind. Why should we not want to worship Him and find our joy & life in Him? May God remove our blindness. Christ has risen Indeed!

For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite.

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

"And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

"For I, the Lord your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, “Fear not, I am the one who helps you.”

"Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."
 

gerryh

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“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

"And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

"For I, the Lord your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, “Fear not, I am the one who helps you.”

"Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."


and you find no contradiction between this and the vengeful and violent God of the OT and revelations.
 

cj44

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and you find no contradiction between this and the vengeful and violent God of the OT and revelations.
Gerry,
No, I find no contradiction. Look & study Scripture in its entirety. When we understand the seriousness of sin, we then come to a closer understanding of God's judgments. When we do not grasp our sinfulness, we tend to judge God. We put him on trial and tear his Word apart to suit our idea of Him.

For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite.

To CJ and Motar, the entire Bible is THE word of God.
Gerry - yes, I agree. Both Old & New Testaments are the Word of God.
 

gerryh

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Gerry,
No, I find no contradiction. Look & study Scripture in its entirety. When we understand the seriousness of sin, we then come to a closer understanding of God's judgments. When we do not grasp our sinfulness, we tend to judge God. We put him on trial and tear his Word apart to suit our idea of Him.


Nope, studying contradictions, misinterpretations, and out right lies is not my cup of tea. I think I will continue on the road I have been shown.


Gerry - yes, I agree. Both Old & New Testaments are the Word of God.


Yup, so easily led astray.
 

Twila

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I'm still convinced J.K. Rowling was divinely inspired, by the standard most American Christians, at least, recognise as the clearest evidence of Divine favour.

Money.

Some(Christians) believe she is promoting satanism and the occult with her magical story.