Christian Intelligence

[Harikrish]

Acts 2 is another example of why the disciples had to be killed. They were liars and false prophets.

Deuteronomy 18: 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

The people including the disciples did not believe Jesus when he was alive. In fact Peter denied Jesus 3 times during his trial. But in Acts 2 the three times liar Peter is suddenly very believable and the people convert in the thousands. Note Acts was written by Luke. So it is not a direct account by Peter.

 

[MHz]

The flawless Greek comes from Paul and not the original 12 disciples. Read your bible.

I don't doubt that Paul's letters were in flawless Greek. Being Jewish and a Temple person means that is why Saul was chosen to read these new Greek documents that mention some Jewish people. The conversion event would have been in the instant he said 'Amen.' after reading the Lord's prayer as given in the Gospel of Luke. Saul would have been the 1st to 'enjoy' the benefits of 'sincere prayer' as mentioned by Moses in De:4:30. Saul and Moses also seem to be the first and last chosen that were from the 12 Tribes.

In the few days that Saul was blind he would have been taught by the Holy Spirit so that when 'interviewed' by some 'knowing Disciples' he would have had all the correct answers. If you read the last few pages of the Gospel of John it shows that tepepethatic way was introduced on the evening of the same day that Jesus rose from the grave. You also need all 4 accounts of that same day before the full picture is available. Mary M. told Peter (Gospel according to the Greek Scribe Matthew who made copies of the original) and the Mother of James and John clued in her two sons (Greek Scribes Mark and Luke made copies of the originals)
Paul sent a letter saying one church should make copies of all the letters and circulate them to all the other Churches and that shows other people were entrusted with making very accurate copies. I did read my Bible, that is why I know it is in there and you don't. You can easily verify what I mentioned and the odds are you might even pick up something I may have overlooked but that isn't possible if you haven't read it yourself.

Acts 2 is another example of why the disciples had to be killed. They were liars and false prophets.

Deuteronomy 18: 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

The people including the disciples did not believe Jesus when he was alive. In fact Peter denied Jesus 3 times during his trial. But in Acts 2 the three times liar Peter is suddenly very believable and the people convert in the thousands. Note Acts was written by Luke. So it is not a direct account by Peter.

That was a return to the pure language that existed before the Tower of Babel, you now have to include Moses as being in on the conspiracy, the ringleader as it were as he wrote the original reference.

The not being killed part was avoided by being able to do the signs following, even then Paul experienced several ship-wrecks and other calamities caused by God just so Paul would remain on the 'humble side' and not start to boast that be was a 'protected individual', Moses didn't have those misfortunes in the 40 years in the desert as being the most unlucky guy ever to walk the desert as that might have scattered the flock.

As to who wrote what in acts you have to look at the chapters and go from there. If Peter has a vision in private in Acts:10 then that is who the author was. The killing of Stephen would have been by Paul as seen through the eyes of Saul. I would also say that James was written by James after 70AD as the scattering is mentioned in the first verses. Slam the book if you want but if it says left and you says it says right or doesn't have a direction then I'm going with the book as there is always something new that could be read, you version is a series of dead ends and no explanation as to why it ended when the book is not entirely read. With an e-bible reading it isn't even a struggle anymore so there goes the 'it's too big' bull.

 

[Harikrish]

I don't doubt that Paul's letters were in flawless Greek. Being Jewish and a Temple person means that is why Saul was chosen to read these new Greek documents that mention some Jewish people. The conversion event would have been in the instant he said 'Amen.' after reading the Lord's prayer as given in the Gospel of Luke. Saul would have been the 1st to 'enjoy' the benefits of 'sincere prayer' as mentioned by Moses in De:4:30. Saul and Moses also seem to be the first and last chosen that were from the 12 Tribes.

In the few days that Saul was blind he would have been taught by the Holy Spirit so that when 'interviewed' by some 'knowing Disciples' he would have had all the correct answers. If you read the last few pages of the Gospel of John it shows that tepepethatic way was introduced on the evening of the same day that Jesus rose from the grave. You also need all 4 accounts of that same day before the full picture is available. Mary M. told Peter (Gospel according to the Greek Scribe Matthew who made copies of the original) and the Mother of James and John clued in her two sons (Greek Scribes Mark and Luke made copies of the originals)
Paul sent a letter saying one church should make copies of all the letters and circulate them to all the other Churches and that shows other people were entrusted with making very accurate copies. I did read my Bible, that is why I know it is in there and you don't. You can easily verify what I mentioned and the odds are you might even pick up something I may have overlooked but that isn't possible if you haven't read it yourself.

The Holy Spirit wasn't very helpful to Jesus. Jesus was caught with his foot in his mouth on several occasions where he was threatened with stoning by the mob for blasphemy.

Here are more reasons the Holy Spirit did not help Jesus at all. Jesus was largely incoherent most of the time and those around him did not understand what he was saying (most of the time). The few times they understood Jesus, they did not believe him.

No Christian can claim to understand Jesus's teachings.

I list the verse first followed by the point I am making.

Mark 4:34 In fact, in his public ministry he never taught without using parables; but afterward, when he was alone with his disciples, he explained everything to them.

1. So unless you were his disciple. Jesus's teachings remain unexplained to the public.

Luke 18:31 Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32 He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33 On the third day he will rise again."
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

2. Even the disciples did not understand and did not know what Jesus was talking about even after the resurrection. So Jesus never got over his bad habit of speaking in parables and remained inarticulate, incoherent.

Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.

3. Now it is not Jesus's explanation that can reveal to the disciples, but God has to give them that knowledge. Because Jesus only speaks in parables.


John 16: 25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.


4. A time will come when Jesus will speak plainly, coherently. But unfortunately Jesus was put to death before he could. The time for Jesus speaking plainly has passed. Check point 2.

1 Corinthians 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

5. Maybe it is the Spirit that can reveal all things. But we know the Spirit was not getting through to tbe disciples. They constantly complained they did not get what Jesus was saying. Are we in a conundrum??

 

[MHz]

The Holy Spirit wasn't very helpful to Jesus. Jesus was caught with his foot in his mouth on several occasions where he was threatened with stoning by the mob for blasphemy.

That was home ground or the temple, just like prophecy predicted.

Here are more reasons the Holy Spirit did not help Jesus at all. Jesus was largely incoherent most of the time and those around him did not understand what he was saying (most of the time). The few times they understood Jesus, they did not believe him.

The 2nd appearance is somewhat different, the first advent was to complete the bruise to the heel part of the Ge:3:15.

No Christian can claim to understand Jesus's teachings.

If A Christian reads the NT he gets the knowledge that there is a plan. It takes raeding the verses mentioning Moses in Luke before the little details are exposed. Revelation has the timeline focused to less than 1 hour for some events, OT prophecy has some details about that single hours. If God had done it the other way there would have been less of a mystery and that would means a smaller climax at the same point in the book. If the bruise to the head is more important than the bruise to the heel then it has to beat what is written about the heel bruise, that is thw OT(minus only the prophecy about the head bruise) plus the 4 Gospels.

I list the verse first followed by the point I am making.

Mark 4:34 In fact, in his public ministry he never taught without using parables; but afterward, when he was alone with his disciples, he explained everything to them.

1. So unless you were his disciple. Jesus's teachings remain unexplained to the public.[/QUOTE]
If He was to teach them He would have been teaching waht was only revealed after the cross. The public gatherings were more of a medical clinic as blessing people is what a High Priest does. Removing Rome from the land is work for a King and not a Priest. The private teachings are included in the Gospels so the parables only applied to that era, after the cross all new things could be taught, meaning the private teachings were given to the public.

Luke 18:31 Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32 He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33 On the third day he will rise again."
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

2. Even the disciples did not understand and did not know what Jesus was talking about even after the resurrection. So Jesus never got over his bad habit of speaking in parables and remained inarticulate, incoherent.

Sure they did, where in their writings do they say they were confused, Daniel mentioned it when he was. Did any know the full story, only the author of Revelation would have had a chance as they were the last one alive before it was written down and that is the book that ties it all together. Re:12 and the 3 women are Eve, Mary, mother of Jesus and the last woman is the flock that call Christ lord. That chapter is referencing Ge:3:15 and not by accident if you are looking for signs of divine inspiration.

Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.

3. Now it is not Jesus's explanation that can reveal to the disciples, but God has to give them that knowledge. Because Jesus only speaks in parables.

That ended with the cross, teaching through parables was a prophecy. In that parable of the penny and the field workers do you even know today who is the first and last group? (you have the whole book to help answer that)

John 16: 25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

4. A time will come when Jesus will speak plainly, coherently. But unfortunately Jesus was put to death before he could. The time for Jesus speaking plainly has passed. Check point 2.

That plain language started the 1st night of the baptism of Holy Spirit, the first promise was help in recalling all His quotes since they met Him.

1 Corinthians 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

5. Maybe it is the Spirit that can reveal all things. But we know the Spirit was not getting through to tbe disciples. They constantly complained they did not get what Jesus was saying. Are we in a conundrum??

It said 'search' rather than 'reveal' that is what the texts are for and even they only tell us what happens within a certain time-frame that has an unknown starting date.
Daniel 11 ends when the day of return is said to start, the 12 books after Daniel only deal with that days so if your picture isn't clear reading just the prophetic parts won't hurt the picture and it goes pretty fast as they are easy to spot.

Joh:7:39:
(But this spake he of the Spirit,
which they that believe on him should receive:
for the Holy Ghost was not yet given;
because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Joh:20:22:
And when he had said this,
he breathed on them,
and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

[taxslave]

Here we are 400 posts into an oxymoron.

 

[darkbeaver]

God bless them.

TRAGEDY DIES IN LAUGHTER​

Little could the ancient mythologists and sages have foreseen that the "fabulous narrations" which their genius devised to cloak high truth would end by plaguing the mind of the Western world with sixteen centuries of unconscionable stultification. They could not possibly imagine that their allegorical constructions to dramatize spiritual truth would so miscarry from their hidden intent as to cast the mental life of half the world for ages under the cloud of the most grotesque superstition known to history. Nor could they have dreamed that the gross blindness and obtuseness of later epochs would cite these same marvelously ingenious portrayals as the evidence of childish crudity on the part of their formulators. Who could have suspected that a body of the most signal instrumentalities for conveying and preserving deep knowledge ever devised by man would become the means of centuries of mental enslavement?

http://pc93.tripod.com/lostlght.htm

There was a time, then, in early human history, when enlightened men possessed true knowledge, the passport to wisdom. Clear and concise answers to the profoundest problems of philosophy were known. In so far as the human intellectual faculty is capable of it, an understanding of the mystery and riddle of life itself and the laws of its evolutionary unfolding, was achieved by men who, as Hermes says, had been "reborn in mind." Philosophy was no mere "speculative enterprise," or tilting at logical windmills; it was a statement of the fundamental archai, or basic principles, of the science of being. It formed the groundwork for the elevation of theology to its true place as the King of Sciences, or the Kingly Science. Together philosophy and theology held the throne in the mental life of mankind; and justly so, for a reason which modern thought would do well to consider: they must ever be the ultimate science because they motivate finally the use we

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make of all other sciences! They hold final answers to all life’s problems.

Other egregious follies of history can be accepted or extenuated to the point of being condoned and forgotten. But this colossal ineptitude, prolonged over sixteen centuries, can not escape being laughed at for centuries more. A joke owes its character to the miscarriage of the intended sense into something ludicrously different. This denouement will stand as the historical joke of the ages. No less than this quantity of hilarity can balance the weight of the tragedy which loads the joke at the other end. For the ludicrously different direction in which the intended sense of the great mythical religions and dramatic rituals of the past took its perverted course entailed as a consequence the greatest of all historical tragedies,--the frightful chapter of religious bigotry and persecution. This worst of all forms of man’s inhumanity to man was bred out of the miscarriage of the concealed meaning of the ancient spiritual myth. The transaction carried the form of a joke, but it also carried the substance of the most appalling terrorism in history. And this most calamitous of all blunders was the mistaking of religious myth, drama and allegory for veridical history! The promise of our coming awakening lies in the progress made and to be made in the study of Comparative Religion, Comparative Mythology and Comparative Philology. What they will ere long make clear to us beyond further dispute is the almost unthinkable fact that for sixteen centuries the best intelligence of the West took the ancient sages’ Books of Wisdom, which were in all cases the spiritual dramatizations of the experience of the human soul on earth, for objective historical narratives. The spectacle that will soon throw a world first into wonder, confusion and dismay, and then into clownish laughter, is that of a civilization covering one third of the globe, and boasting itself as the highest in culture in the historical period, all the while taking its moral and spiritual guidance for an aeon from a Book or Books, of the true content and meaning of which it never for a moment has had the slightest inkling.

 

[Harikrish]

God bless them.

TRAGEDY DIES IN LAUGHTER​

Little could the ancient mythologists and sages have foreseen that the "fabulous narrations" which their genius devised to cloak high truth would end by plaguing the mind of the Western world with sixteen centuries of unconscionable stultification. They could not possibly imagine that their allegorical constructions to dramatize spiritual truth would so miscarry from their hidden intent as to cast the mental life of half the world for ages under the cloud of the most grotesque superstition known to history. Nor could they have dreamed that the gross blindness and obtuseness of later epochs would cite these same marvelously ingenious portrayals as the evidence of childish crudity on the part of their formulators. Who could have suspected that a body of the most signal instrumentalities for conveying and preserving deep knowledge ever devised by man would become the means of centuries of mental enslavement?

http://pc93.tripod.com/lostlght.htm

There was a time, then, in early human history, when enlightened men possessed true knowledge, the passport to wisdom. Clear and concise answers to the profoundest problems of philosophy were known. In so far as the human intellectual faculty is capable of it, an understanding of the mystery and riddle of life itself and the laws of its evolutionary unfolding, was achieved by men who, as Hermes says, had been "reborn in mind." Philosophy was no mere "speculative enterprise," or tilting at logical windmills; it was a statement of the fundamental archai, or basic principles, of the science of being. It formed the groundwork for the elevation of theology to its true place as the King of Sciences, or the Kingly Science. Together philosophy and theology held the throne in the mental life of mankind; and justly so, for a reason which modern thought would do well to consider: they must ever be the ultimate science because they motivate finally the use we

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make of all other sciences! They hold final answers to all life’s problems.

Other egregious follies of history can be accepted or extenuated to the point of being condoned and forgotten. But this colossal ineptitude, prolonged over sixteen centuries, can not escape being laughed at for centuries more. A joke owes its character to the miscarriage of the intended sense into something ludicrously different. This denouement will stand as the historical joke of the ages. No less than this quantity of hilarity can balance the weight of the tragedy which loads the joke at the other end. For the ludicrously different direction in which the intended sense of the great mythical religions and dramatic rituals of the past took its perverted course entailed as a consequence the greatest of all historical tragedies,--the frightful chapter of religious bigotry and persecution. This worst of all forms of man’s inhumanity to man was bred out of the miscarriage of the concealed meaning of the ancient spiritual myth. The transaction carried the form of a joke, but it also carried the substance of the most appalling terrorism in history. And this most calamitous of all blunders was the mistaking of religious myth, drama and allegory for veridical history! The promise of our coming awakening lies in the progress made and to be made in the study of Comparative Religion, Comparative Mythology and Comparative Philology. What they will ere long make clear to us beyond further dispute is the almost unthinkable fact that for sixteen centuries the best intelligence of the West took the ancient sages’ Books of Wisdom, which were in all cases the spiritual dramatizations of the experience of the human soul on earth, for objective historical narratives. The spectacle that will soon throw a world first into wonder, confusion and dismay, and then into clownish laughter, is that of a civilization covering one third of the globe, and boasting itself as the highest in culture in the historical period, all the while taking its moral and spiritual guidance for an aeon from a Book or Books, of the true content and meaning of which it never for a moment has had the slightest inkling.

Are you caught in the 'cultural relativism' of our times?

"Many academics, politicians and self-professed intellectuals dismiss 2,000 years of Western writing and thinking as the offspring of an imperialistic, sexist and despotic European culture, whose last remnant is found in the United States. They view the Great Books of our heritage as antiquated and illegitimate, unworthy of a contemporary education."

 

[Motar]

"Many academics, politicians and self-professed intellectuals dismiss 2,000 years of Western writing and thinking as the offspring of an imperialistic, sexist and despotic European culture, whose last remnant is found in the United States. They view the Great Books of our heritage as antiquated and illegitimate, unworthy of a contemporary education."

Source?

 

[Walter]

Source?

Shaw, Jane S.