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As you read through Revelation 3:14-22, MH, what commendation from Christ is given to the Laodicean church?
With all 7 Churches there are some members that meet Gods approval as well as meeting the conditions that eliminate salvation in time for the 1,000 year reign. The members that will be cut-off from that first gathering is equally easy to understand.

Re:3:17:
Because thou sayest,
I am rich,
and increased with goods,
and have need of nothing;
and knowest not that thou art wretched,
and miserable,
and poor,
and blind,
and naked:

The RCC church is even in there, they are the ones that left their first love as they have a different father than God. They will be in hell as will all their followers.

Re:2:4:
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee,
because thou hast left thy first love.
Re:2:5:
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen,
and repent,
and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly,
and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.

If I did that, I might have to pay taxes.
That isn't a sin for believers, just a want. lol

Ro:13:6:
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Ro:13:7:
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Ro:13:8:
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
 

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As you read through Revelation 3:14-22, MH, what commendation from Christ is given to the Laodicean church?

Read the revelation again, MH.

Two of the seven churches receive only commendation. Four other churches receive a mix of commendation and correction. Laodicea receives only condemnation. In church history, Laodicea represents the apostate church.
 

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That's not true at all. The 'pre-trib rapture church also has condemnations.

church of Ephesus, I have somewhat against thee,
church in Smyrna, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried
church in Pergamos , I have a few things against thee,
church in Thyatira, I have a few things against thee,
church in Sardis , for I have not found thy works perfect before God
church in Philadelphia, for thou hast a little strength, Him that overcometh
church of the Laodiceans , because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

If you can't find the words to the Church that are the overcome verses not my problem as they were already posted.

Re:3:21:
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame,
and am set down with my Father in his throne.

You will find all the relationships mentioned in Gentiles, it is not time based, it is attitude based. The RCC is even mentioned in the verses below and you can mark the transition in history as being when the left the original texts for their /new and improved Latin Bible.

Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.
 

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In case that one church is the rapture church the part they are spared from is the wrath of the 7 vials rather than the wrath of Satan.


Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Re:9:1:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Re:9:1:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Re:9:2:
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Re:13:5:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
 

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Nope, problem with the hypocrites who claim to believe in Jesus and pawn off their unwillingness to do as he commanded with crap terms like "spiritual food."

Not my metaphor, TB:

"Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.” (John 6:27a NIV)

"I am the bread of life." (John 6:48 NIV)

"This is the bread that came down from heaven.” (John 6:58a NIV)
 

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Not my metaphor, TB:

"Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.” (John 6:27a NIV)

"I am the bread of life." (John 6:48 NIV)

"This is the bread that came down from heaven.” (John 6:58a NIV)
I'm good with it, Motar. Jesus's instructions were explicit, and the consequences stated in unambiguous terms. If you want to talk yourself into believing you're following Jesus's word, makes no never-mind to me.
 

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I'm good with it, Motar. Jesus's instructions were explicit, and the consequences stated in unambiguous terms. If you want to talk yourself into believing you're following Jesus's word, makes no never-mind to me.

I'm glad we're friends, TB. "Wounds from a friend can be trusted..." (Proverbs 27:6a NIV)
 

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I'm glad we're friends, TB. "Wounds from a friend can be trusted..." (Proverbs 27:6a NIV)

We're not. Don't mean to be hurtful by saying that, but we're a long way from friends. We're barely acquaintances. We don't even know each other's names.

I got no problems with you, but at an absolute minimum, I don't call nobody a friend until we've been to each other's places. Till then, you're an acquaintance, max.
 

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That's not true at all. The 'pre-trib rapture church also has condemnations.

Keep in mind that the main topic of the Bible from start to finish is Christ, MH. The body of Christ on earth is described/represented in the seven churches of Revelation. The seven are actual historic congregations and periods of church history.

Ephesus - early church (Pentecost to A.D. 100)
Smyrna - martyr church (A.D. 100 to 314)
Pergamum - pagan church (A.D. 314 to 590)
Thyatira - Roman church (A.D. 590 to 1000)
Sardis - Protestant church (A.D. 1517 to 1800)
Philadelphia - revived church (1900 to present)
Laodicea - apostate church (present to 2nd advent)

"Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” (Revelation 3:22 NIV)

We're not. Don't mean to be hurtful by saying that, but we're a long way from friends. We're barely acquaintances. We don't even know each other's names.

I got no problems with you, but at an absolute minimum, I don't call nobody a friend until we've been to each other's places. Till then, you're an acquaintance, max.

For my part, we're friends : )
 

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We're not. Don't mean to be hurtful by saying that, but we're a long way from friends. We're barely acquaintances. We don't even know each other's names.

I got no problems with you, but at an absolute minimum, I don't call nobody a friend until we've been to each other's places. Till then, you're an acquaintance, max.

If you two have exchanged your trailer park locations, you are friends. You are not obligated to visit.
 

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I'm good with it, Motar. Jesus's instructions were explicit, and the consequences stated in unambiguous terms. If you want to talk yourself into believing you're following Jesus's word, makes no never-mind to me.
If He is interested in keeping a person safe then the instruction would be quite detaile. That there is a child of the light and one of thr darkness suggest the same thing. A child of the light knows there will be a deceptional return before the actual one. The children of the darkness don't know that part. Knowing all the nitty gritty details is possible, it is not a demand as touching on the saved part.

Keep in mind that the main topic of the Bible from start to finish is Christ, MH.
This sounds like it might touch on the trinity theory so this might be part of what would be an appropriate reply that touches on that to a small degree. I hope you know that 'my version' end up being universal salvation so when I am saying your version is in error it only means the timing is different. That being said everything is going to be different starting with this topic. If you took Ge:1-3 and Re:20:22 you would have the beginning and end of this earth and the introduction of another earth existing and people from this earth enter that place.

In Ge:3:15 we are told about two bruises that will happen, as it turns out the rest of the bible is dedicated to the prophecy and deeds associated with those two bruises. Ge:3:15 is a single vers, Re:12 is a single chapter that references that single verse. The first woman mentioned is Eve and the pain associated with birth is mentioned. The next woman is Mary, the mother of Jesus and she is the 'seed of Eve' that will take a bruise to the heel. The cross is mentioned and that is the heel bruise in reality. The last woman in that chapter are the people that will be the ones most affected in the last years, Gentiles. The 144,000 are sealed before any trumps sound and 3 1/2 years later the 2 witnesses are killed in Jerusalem. For the next 3 1/2 days it is known as Satan's Babylon in prophecy, on the day the two witnesses are resurrected all the vials are poured out on Satan. In the last few hours of the afternoon all the people needing resurrection from the grave will experience that event. The two witnesses see this from straight above, the 144,000 se it from the mountain that Moses and Elias were seen on in a vision. The 1/3 of all the Gentiles that remain alive get to walk to Jerusalem and that is so they can be witnesses to the total destruction that came with the return. They are joined by other Gentiles dating back to Act:10 when Gentiles came to be under the judgment of the two Laws. The 7 letters could have been handed out at that time and the effect as they are today. Revelation was intentionally the last book written and if a person had to be in the grave by the age of 120 then 100AD is a date that works and the ones defined would be all Gentiles as Rome is clearly pointed out as they owned the spears on the day of the cross.

Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.

The body of Christ on earth is described/represented in the seven churches of Revelation.
The text for the Churches points to the letters being for the heads of the churches, 7 angels. Those angels are said to preach the Gospel to people only in the time just before Satan's Babylon is melted. The stars in His hand are the same lamps that are in the throne vision. They have not been gathered, the 24 Elders there have been gathered and they would be the OT Saints that came out of the grave the same morning as Jesus did. They all ascended to that Temple and were glorified and only Jesus returned. Those Saints will have thrones on earth during the 1,000 year reign.

Ge:1 introduces God and the Holy Spirit, they are the 'us' in the verse about man being made in the image and likeness of God. The Holy Spirit is the equal of Eve and their duties are the same. God speaks and the Holy Spirit make the words real. In a family Adam would speak and Eve would make the words become real. In that respect Ge:1 is creation as view by Gos, singular. Ge:2 is creation as viewed by the Holy Spirit, singular. You haven't read Christ's witness for that event (in all likely hood) so it is posted below. If it makes Christ sound like a snall child then you are getting the right version. It is in terms of knowledge when you are a perfected being. By the time the passage ends He has enough authority from god to send angels to the fiery lake so any judment determined for men will also stand. The task in the 1,000 years is to turn the re:20:4 crowd into perfected men so they can survive the fire that sends Satan to the lake. So far the 24 Elders have been getting 2,000 years of instruction and if they are from before the flood they have close to another 1,000 years in terms of 'wisdom'. Christ's wisdom goes further back than that.

Proverb:8:22-36:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting,
from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths,
I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth,
nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens,
I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above:
when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.
Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear instruction,
and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.

The seven are actual historic congregations and periods of church history.

Ephesus - early church (Pentecost to A.D. 100)
Smyrna - martyr church (A.D. 100 to 314)
Pergamum - pagan church (A.D. 314 to 590)
Thyatira - Roman church (A.D. 590 to 1000)
Sardis - Protestant church (A.D. 1517 to 1800)
Philadelphia - revived church (1900 to present)
Laodicea - apostate church (present to 2nd advent)

"Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” (Revelation 3:22 NIV)
Yes, ... The first church is facing judgment before the text is available. A flaw like that makes the rest suspect also, let alone the obvious date setting angle. Just in time to be saved if you join and donate to such and such a church. The map above would only have one available today so the leaving your first love condemnation of the 2nd church could never happen, yet many people love just material things more than God let alone the various fan clubs. The end dates should have been the time of rewards and punishments yet the 144,000 are called the first-fruits as they represent the whole House of Israel and the Gentile that are the 'remnant of the Nations is the whole 7 Churches being judged and gathered all at the same time. First all sinners are sent to the grave.

When God speaks He is in the 3rd Heaven, the same place the Great White Throne wll take place. The Holy Spirit is always with God so she is also at home their, so is their begotten child, Christ.

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

1Jo:5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

God made Jesus 'the WORD' in the vision with the 'Hear Him.' statement (also fits the Proverbs:8 ending)

Now when you read the beginning of the Gospel of John (te Baptist) you can read it as John being a witness to called Him to be a witness. John was the last OR Prophet called by God and as such John would have referenced the one called God in Ge:1:1, the beginning verse. Bacin in that chapter God was the speaker and the Holy Spirir was the 'doer', at the return Christ as a certain amount of authority tyat lets him speak and the Holy Spirit will obey the words spoken.

1Co:15:23-28:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign,
till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
he last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.

If you two have exchanged your trailer park locations, you are friends. You are not obligated to visit.
The traileer people need more help than Wall St. Not hard to tell who is goint to get spanked harder.

Lu:12:47:
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lu:12:48:
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.


M't:5:3:
Blessed are the poor in spirit:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
M't:5:4:
Blessed are they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted.
M't:5:5:
Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth.
M't:5:6:
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness:
for they shall be filled.
M't:5:7:
Blessed are the merciful:
for they shall obtain mercy.
M't:5:8:
Blessed are the pure in heart:
for they shall see God.
M't:5:9:
Blessed are the peacemakers:
for they shall be called the children of God.
M't:5:10:
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
M't:5:11:
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you,
and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely,
for my sake.

Which one is the 3%ers?
 

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I see the judge and Jury are here, shall 'we' get started in this trial about whether of not the book in question is 'good' fiction or 'bad' fiction. Fiction is not on trial here today but points likr thid certainly are.
Do these references refer to something that is one and the same or is it to different items in each and every case?

Da:11:32:
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries:
but the people that do know their God shall be strong,
and do exploits.


Re:11:4-5:
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.

Zec:4:3:
And two olive trees by it,
one upon the right side of the bowl,
and the other upon the left side thereof.

Zec:4:14:
Then said he,
These are the two anointed ones,
that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Break for lunch while the jury chews on this witness and the testimony just herd.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out if Harry Potter will become Minister of Magic.
No wonder Scripture is so baffling to you. When the identy of thr Beloved Disciple is not given plain as day does that mean it can never be 'gleaned' from the words of the witnesses? Perhaps you two were on said merry-go-round before said book became so confusing. Care to take a blood test. I can prove my state of mind is where it should be when the tests come back, not real sure about you two at this point in time.

If you were really interested you would pick up the phone and call direct.

Lu:11:2:
And he said unto them,
When ye pray,
say,
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
as in heaven,
so in earth.
 

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No wonder Scripture is so baffling to you. When the identy of thr Beloved Disciple is not given plain as day does that mean it can never be 'gleaned' from the words of the witnesses? Perhaps you two were on said merry-go-round before said book became so confusing. Care to take a blood test. I can prove my state of mind is where it should be when the tests come back, not real sure about you two at this point in time.
Well, the crazy pills surely are working.
 

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That was the escape handle in case you couldn't take on the hard questions. A new speed records so I guess 'congrats' is due to you, no prize other than that, so sorry. All others advance to the next round.