Chris Wallace interviews Clinton

elevennevele

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I think FOX news did Bill Clinton a favour by changing the topic on him. I think they didn't expect him to fight back so strongly and they just gave him the perfect place to do it. It really makes FOX look stupid.

Have they forgot that US presidents can articulate themselves?
 

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I think that interview is a Rorshack Ink Blot test.

Each bias sees it differently.

Liberals will see the right of Clinton to fight back and
take verbatim the plausibility of his arguments which
do sound strong and powerful.

Conservatives will see all sorts of holes in Clinton's
arguments, thus contemplating his pathos.

Middle of the Roaders ?
Clinton is right and wrong during that interview.
Too boring to delineate, however.



Ink blot test.
 

#juan

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I would say Chris Wallace got his ass kicked by one of the best, if not the best ad lib speaker the U.S. presidency has had since FDR. If Bush got his pages in reverse order he wouldn't know it.
 

jimmoyer

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Depends on your bias.

Some say Clinton lost his cool and got unglued
and feels guilty and still lies about it.
Underneath was a philosophical difference of treating
terrorism as a military problem or as a police problem.

After all the finger wagging and extreme reaction to a legitimate
question, it almost seemed like Clinton with wagging pointed
finger was saying, I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH BIN LADEN.

Shades of a yesteryear.

Others say Clinton has a right to be pissed off.
Because it appears Bush did not put as high a priority on bin laden
for the next 9 months.

Depends on your standing prejudice prior
to this interview.
 

elevennevele

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Re: RE: Chris Wallace interviews Clinton

jimmoyer said:
I think that interview is a Rorshack Ink Blot test.

Each bias sees it differently.

Liberals will see the right of Clinton to fight back and
take verbatim the plausibility of his arguments which
do sound strong and powerful.

Conservatives will see all sorts of holes in Clinton's
arguments, thus contemplating his pathos.

Middle of the Roaders ?
Clinton is right and wrong during that interview.
Too boring to delineate, however.

Ink blot test.



I honestly don’t think it was the intention of FOX news to create a interview where people could then walk away to make up their own minds or bias on the issue. And is good journalism suppose to be a kind of Rorschach inkblot test?

Good journalism is suppose to be getting at the bottom of ‘truth’ to a matter. To create ‘more clarity’ and make the audience ‘more informed’. This was a format of throwing speculation from the platform of the media.

(eg. Who killed Jon Bonett?! Who, was it him?! Was it her!? Everyone getting swayed and nothing being really known. A wasting of any real journalistic quality media time)

Remember, they cornered Clinton on the premise they were giving him an interview over the issue of his humanitarian work.

The whole thing was setup to create a question of fault on this ex-President. Not to present a heavy weighted argument of facts against him, or to give him an opportunity to make a full case of defense for himself. It was not setup that way and this was not good journalism.
 

#juan

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I have never been able to understand why Clinton's sex life was anybody's business but his and Monika's. Or why a BJ was worse than killing a hundred thousand people, or a couple million people for that matter.
 

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I loved watching that. Clinton knows how to handle himself on fox news. He has the guts to tell it like it is. The democrats are affraid to rock the boat for fear of attack by the republican smear campaign. Clinton has nothing to loose. The can learn a few things from him.
 

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/743aibjn.asp

Why Clinton "Lost His Temper"
The former president knew what he was doing.

by William Kristol
09/25/2006 11:16:00 AM

LET'S DO A THOUGHT experiment: Perhaps Bill Clinton, an experienced and sophisticated politician, knew what he was doing when he made big news by "losing his temper" in his interview with Chris Wallace. Perhaps Clinton's aides knew what they were doing when they publicized the interview by providing their own transcript to a left-wing website as soon as possible Friday evening, and then pre-spun reporters late Friday and Saturday. Maybe it was just damage control. Or maybe Clinton did what he wanted to do when he indignantly defended himself, blasted the Bush administration, and attacked Fox News. What could Clinton have been seeking to accomplish? Three things.

1. Helping Democrats in 2006.

In the Fox interview, and in other recent interviews (Meet the Press, the New Yorker), Clinton has shown himself well aware of Republican efforts (engineered by the dastardly Karl Rove) to paint Democrats as unreliable in the war on terror. Clinton would have known that these were doing some damage to Democrats, and that Bush and Rove have had a few good weeks on this issue. And he would know that the Democrats haven't fought back well (e.g., they're now in a difficult position on the Bush-McCain detainees legislation).

In this interview, Clinton rallied Democrats. He reminded them of their talking points on Bush's alleged passivity in his first eight months in office (remember Richard Clarke!), and on the alleged distraction posed by Iraq from the more worthwhile war in Afghanistan. He nicely laid the predicate for the leaked portions of
the National Intelligence Estimate that appeared in the press the next day. If the Bush-Rove war-on-terror offensive stalls out this week (and much of the media is committed to making this happen), and Democrats do well in November, Bill Clinton can take credit, at a crucial moment, for discrediting the terror issue as a mere political ploy, and showing Democrats how "to fight back" and how "to stand up to the right-wing propaganda machine" (in the words of Howard Dean).

2. Helping Hillary in 2008.

Hillary Clinton has been having problems with the left wing of the Democratic party. With this interview, Bill Clinton has the entire left wing of the Democratic party rallying to him. Some of this solidarity can presumably be transferred to Hillary. And the dangerous move of the left-wing of the party toward Gore and Edwards, and their rise in national and Iowa polls respectively, can perhaps be stopped.

3. Intimidating Critics.

Clinton wants to make it incorrect, or at least impolite, to criticize his record on terror. Chris Wallace stood up to him. Will others? Will his next interviewer raise the same set of questions? Will they be willing to take the criticism of being "conservative hit men" or part of the vast, Fox-centered right-wing conspiracy? Bullying and intimidation sometimes work. Clinton has used both effectively in the past. Now he wants to put out of bounds certain perfectly legitimate and straight-forward questions. Can we debate which party--based on their practice when in power--can better deal with the jihadist/terror threat? No, according to Clinton. That's illegitimate right-wing propaganda. Whose personal reputation benefits from putting such issues out of bounds? Which political party benefits? Which 2008 presidential candidate?

Bill Clinton is a smart (and calculating) politician.

--William Kristol
 

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Bill Clinton made the word 'bj' popular for even six year olds. Few presidents beyond the cosseted Kennedy have contributed so little to the moral fibre of their nation. Shame on Wild Bill. He can grandstand all he wants. He deserves a good smack on the head.
 

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You honestly think Bill Clinton ruined the moral fibre of America? No one would have known about his affair if the Republican party and their smear campaigne didn't splash it all over the media. He wanted it kept private, the right wing brought it into every Americans house. No, the moral fibre of America is ruined for other reasons. Your so worried about moral fibre for six year olds but what about health care for them? You dont want them to know what a bj is but it's okay that they dont have health care? More then half of American children are without a health care plan. Bill Clinton wanted to change that but big business and the right wing stopped it.
 

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tamarin said:
Bill Clinton made the word 'bj' popular for even six year olds. Few presidents beyond the cosseted Kennedy have contributed so little to the moral fibre of their nation. Shame on Wild Bill. He can grandstand all he wants. He deserves a good smack on the head.

That is the one remaining excuse for George Bush that he has yet to try. Because of Bill, George's moral fibre was so broken he could never tell the truth again.
 

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#juan said:
I have never been able to understand why Clinton's sex life was anybody's business but his and Monika's. Or why a BJ was worse than killing a hundred thousand people, or a couple million people for that matter.

What could you possibly understand after that spin, nothing.
 

tracy

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I can't believe we're still talking about a blow job years later... I never understood the outrage over that one.
 

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jimmoyer said:
The outrage was never over the BJ itself.
That's the biggest misunderstanding by most
outsiders looking in.

Internal politics of each nation usually mystifies all
outsiders.

Universal rule.

I think it was. What do you think people were outraged over? The fact that he lied?
 

Kreskin

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Smirky Wallace
 

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#juan said:
I would say Chris Wallace got his ass kicked by one of the best, if not the best ad lib speaker the U.S. presidency has had since FDR. If Bush got his pages in reverse order he wouldn't know it.

I would like to see a Bill Clinton - George W Bush debate. Get shrub all wired up and let them go at it.