China test anti-satelite weapon

L Gilbert

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I've been wrong many times, that's how I motivate myself to learn, when I have been proven wrong. Potential is speculative at best, but since you are quoting Andrew Chaikin, in the vectorsite, I'll concede, because I am not aware of the technical details.
I quoted someone?

I don't think there was any conspiracy. I think the US just plain deceived Diefenbaker and talked him into scrapping the program. The question remains: why did everything have to be destroyed instead of just being archived or whatever if there was no political pressure? Is there an answer other than political pressure? I'd really and sincerely like to know.
 

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No friends....just "interests"?

Who cares.
Perhaps everyone should take that stance of "no friends, just interests". "Fµck you, buddy. You have nothing I want so you are just so much dogsh|t on the lawn". "Oh, BTW, I'm sorry, I was out hunting down a suspected Islamofascist and your wife got in the way of my bullets". "Oh, yeah, and about the lumber we got from you, I know the "free" trade guys said I owe you this much, but I'm not gonna cough up". "Oh, almost forgot, we're going to try and weasel your oil out of you". And Americans are puzzled why the rest of the planet dislikes them.
 

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Earth, Tibet remains a snapshot of what is happening to many Pacific island nations as Chinese immigration and business investment accelerates. With a massive population base, China can easily export its influence by exporting its people. The recent completion of a major Chinese railway project to Tibet sounds the death knell for the latter's culture.
People have made concerted efforts to scrap others' cultures before and never succeeded. Try convinving Bear he has none of his culture left after a couple hundred years of European influence.
 

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You don't think China is a military superpower? rofl
You must find this hilarious then:

Encyclopedia Britannica
United States history
The World's Sole Superpower, 1991 to Present


The end of the long Cold War rivalry opened a new era in the history of not only the United States but also the rest of the world. The Soviet collapse left the United States with undisputed status as the world's most powerful country....

http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article-230262
 

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So it's an opinion. Besides, the encyclopedia says it is the most powerful country. It says nothing about whether or not there are any other superpowers.
Does that mean China doesn't have nukes? Subs? Modern rifles? Manpower? Ships? Planes? I'd venture a guess that China's military manpower far outweighs even the USA's. China obviously has the ability to cripple anyone's communications. Someone's already said that China has thousands of spies everywhere.
I knew a little, mild-looking guy once, who kept his abilities to himself. He teaches Chito Ryu. Quite a fighter. So does anyone know how powerful China really is? For that matter, is the US really as powerful as it says it is?
 
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China has the largest army, and each year they have about 25 million people reaching military age.

I'm sure there is probably some Chinese proverb that explains their position right now.

War is expensive, I think they're content with their situation right now as is.
 

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China has the largest army, and each year they have about 25 million people reaching military age.
I thought so.

I'm sure there is probably some Chinese proverb that explains their position right now.
.... or quote from Confucius. lol

War is expensive, I think they're content with their situation right now as is.
Ah, the inscrutable Asians. Let the Yankee dogs waste their money and equipment on the Islamic extremists and Iraq now so we can invade them cheaply later. lol
 

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"Ah, the inscrutable Asians. Let the Yankee dogs waste their money and equipment on the Islamic extremists and Iraq now so we can invade them cheaply later. lol"

Isn't that the crux of it? Here we have the US, mired in debt and a sense of international obligation, occupied with one hotspot after another and, there, growing strong and financially intimidating is China. Over a billion people. A one party state. Racially and culturally almost homogeneous. Its ability and reach and resolve and human resources still untested. History more than anything is the record of war. And we are not to think the Chinese won't want a chance at world supremacy?
 

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...Here we have the US, mired in debt and a sense of international obligation, occupied with one hotspot after another...


The US has a sense of international obligation??? Now that's hilarious. You would have to be pretty gullible to believe that. But don't feel bad, since Americans re-elected their war criminals, you have plenty of company.

Invading the Sudan to end the ethnic cleansing in the Darfur region would be an example of international obligation.

Back in 2002/2003, when the US was priming us for invading Iraq because of their non-existant WMDs, non-existant links to terrorist organizations and Iraq's humanitarian problems (resulting from American imposed economic sanctions until Iraq cooperated and produced its non-existant WMDs) a civil war was raging in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While the news was spoon feeding us stories about Iraq's atrocities during the 1980's (while Iraq was an American allie and the US was defending Iraq's atrocities at the UN), the DRC civil war had claimed its 3 millionth victim.

Since you obviously believe fairy tales, I'm going to share one with you.

Once upon a time there was town which had an apartment building and a jewelry store. One day, a fire broke out in the apartment building. The community leaders knew about the fire but did nothing because it was in a poor neighborhood. Instead the community leaders focused on the rich owner of the jewelry store. The leaders told stories about the owner's possession of illegal automatic weapons and links to the mafia. As the leaders told the community that that the evil owner was plotting to murder them as they slept, people in the apartment building were burning and jumping out windows. A few people in the community tried to point out that the apartment building fire was a more serious problem, but they were ignored. A few people demanded proof that the jewlery store owner actually possessed illegal firearms and links to the mafia before taking action against the owner, but their demands were drowned out by the majority who demand the evil jewelry store owner prove he didn't possess illegal arms and links to the mafia. Since proving a negative is a logical impossibility, the leaders were able to spin a lack of evidence to look like evidence of guilt. Most of the people never caught on that proving a negative is a logical impossibility and believed in the owner's guilt despite a lack of proof. Instead they demanded their leaders send the firemen and police into the jewelry store and lynch the evil owner.

As the firemen used their axes to break into the store and police traded shots with the owner, some jewelry store employees were inadvertently hacked and others were inadvertently shot. During the confusion, some employees stole jewelry and raped fellow employees. Eventually the firemen broke into the store and the police captured the owner, but they did nothing to stop the employees stealing and raping. Instead they began beating store employees as the community leaders helped themselves to the rest of the contents of the jewelry store.

Over time, some of the people began to notice their leaders wearing jewelry from the store. They became more become skeptical of their leaders' motivations and their original claims about the owner. These people demanded proof. All the leaders could prove was the owner used to own illegal weapons (confiscated years ago). But the leaders were able to describe legal firearms in a way to make them sound like illegal firearms. The leaders were never able to prove the owner had links to the mafia, but they did find evidence that once a jewelry store employee ate in the same restaurant as a member of the mafia. The leaders claimed that it didn't matter that everything they said previously was based on false information (lies). The owner deserved to be lynched because he was a bad man. He treated his employees poorly. (At least that was true, but what the leaders didn't say was that the owner treated his employees about the same as other store owners in the neighborhood, but those owners weren't a problem because they made regular campaign contributions to the leaders' re-election campaigns.) The leaders said they had acted out of a sense of community obligation.

Since most people are gullible, most believed their leaders yet again, despite overwhelming evidence that their leaders had lied and were lying again. The majority of the community who believed their leaders' explanations (lies) re-elected them.

That brings us to today. That apartment building fire? It eventually burned itself out, but its still smoldering. The jewelry store? As a result of the damage caused while apprehending the jewelry store owner, a new fire has broke out in the ruins. Firemen and police try their best to extinguish it, but the fire is now completely out of control, threatening to engulf the neighborhood or maybe even the entire community.

But majority of the community feels good about itself because they lynched a bad man and re-elected leaders who act out of a sense of community obligation. A happy ending... Because what's important isn't truth or justice, but feeling good about ourselves.

The End... or maybe the beginning... actually I don't think this story has a ending, oh wait a minute, it ends when the fire burns the town to the ground... But at least it leaves us all with a warm feeling...
 
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