China swoops up 80% of Iraq's Oil

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I wonder about the cultural aspect of the war with Hussein too. It was most definitely a part of it no one can disagree with that. War is a complicated thing and if Iran were not so resource rich I am not sure of how much interest Iraq would of had. I have just recently started reading about the history of the area. The Arabs, the Jews and the Palestine people (Persian people).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement
 

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Petros, how can they be so scared of such a small and broken people? I don't view Iranian's as Persians even though they inhabit what was once Persian lands. Are Iranian's primarily Shiite or are the Palestinian's the Shiite people?
 

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He's the head of the federal guvmint. In other words he's the current Caesar; Mark 12:17.
All hail the Republic! All hail Caesar!

Petros, how can they be so scared of such a small and broken people? I don't view Iranian's as Persians even though they inhabit what was once Persian lands. Are Iranian's primarily Shiite or are the Palestinian's the Shiite people?
This crap has been going on for ages. Arab Tribes have consistantly had the sh*t kicked out of them by Persians. It's payback time.
 

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I would imagine that after a years worth of conversation this would wrap back around to Iraq and its oil reserves and the fact that China is taking a bigger portion than the US after such a contribution from the US regarding the war in Iraq. It all boils down to who they want to do business with and by taking these trips into history and culture we begin to see who all the players are, thus being able to better understand why China takes a bigger share than the US.
 

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Can we go far back enough in time to a time when Persian rulers kicked the sh*t out of the Arab nation? The Arab nation has been busy taking over non-Arab Persia for quite a long time now. I admit I haven't had the time to really digest the religious tolerance of the various rulers of Persia when it encompassed the largest part of the middle east. I do know that religion delineated ruling factions and the Arabs have had the upper hand for hundreds of years now and have reduced the Persian peoples to a fraction of what it used to be.

Which war? Speak...don't be shy.
 

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I thought Hussein invaded Iran because of some debt Iran owed to it from your point of view. So Hussein is Saudi right? So we are not talking about a war that the Saudi funded into Iranian territory that the Iranian government owes Iraq (Saudi) for? Be it over resource or religion.

You have a better grip this than I. At least from your point of view. I can understand some of what is going on in the middle east from an economic point of view but from a cultural and historical point of view, well there is lots left to learn.
 

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I thought Hussein invaded Iran because of some debt Iran owed to it from your point of view. So Hussein is Saudi right? So we are not talking about a war that the Saudi funded into Iranian territory that the Iranian government owes Iraq (Saudi) for? Be it over resource or religion.

You have a better grip this than I. At least from your point of view. I can understand some of what is going on in the middle east from an economic point of view but from a cultural and historical point of view, well there is lots left to learn.
Go back to when the Ottoman was carved up into tribal principalities and work forward to Hussein, Shah, Shia/Sunni and Wahabi King/Princes Vs Shia Ayatollah.
 

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I am Petros, slowly but surely. And, it is very interesting to say the least. All I know to date are little snipits here and there about the whole middle east situation and I decided a little while ago that it was time to get a bigger understanding of my own. I think the hardest part of putting this into a flowing context across a few centuries would have to be the names. Because the names are so foreign to me and there are so many factions involved over there...until I have had some good amount of time to digest it all I will have a hard time remembering who did what to who...I remember what was done at best.
 

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I agree with you Highball, and better yet, buy the oil from itself and then impose a massive corporate tax on the transaction. Between the locality reducing the price and the tax grab we should be able to lower the price at the pump and/or on the hydro bill. Giggle.

Unfortunately the tax will just be added to the pump price so drivers will still be massively financing non drivers. A better plan would be cost of production plus a fair ROI. Any excess sold at world prices with windfall profit being split by producer and governments. This should give Canadian manufacturers a real competitive advantage.
 

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Unfortunately the tax will just be added to the pump price so drivers will still be massively financing non drivers. A better plan would be cost of production plus a fair ROI. Any excess sold at world prices with windfall profit being split by producer and governments. This should give Canadian manufacturers a real competitive advantage.

I agree with you there. Geez...I bet if we just collect the income taxes off the top of companies like Exxon and place them in the appropriate tax column we wouldn't need any other gas tax. I am not sure what the tax monies collected by the IRS eventually pay for but I bet missing out on such a chance to collect such a high return as that hurts the economy and the people equally. The way the business itself is structured (the oil business) to me is not so much a problem as the tax/wage structure it is beholden too.

As to financing other people...I firmly believe that it takes people who do and people who don't to provide stability in any situation. I have paid taxes since going to work around the age of 13 and do not regret a penny.

Personally I don't think Canada should be playing around with being an oil producer. Our crude is too dirty. I guess I can kind of understand why the government here thinks we should since we use petrol products for so much of daily living and those who produce get those goods cheaper than those who don't...but it is going to hurt to push forward with what we've got to offer and there is no way around that. Dirty, dirty dirty crude.