China police in Canada

Serryah

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Ron in Regina

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Yeah, weird & ominous. Was reading about this days ago, & Canada isn’t the only place, but it’s a soft target.

Canada is but one of several dozen countries that are now home to overseas outposts of Chinese law enforcement. This week, a report in The Irish Times noted the opening of a Fuzhou Overseas Police Service Station in central Dublin.


Three addresses in Toronto are known to be registered as “service stations” operated by the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau, a police force active in the Chinese metropolis of Fuzhou.

China maintains that the stations exist simply to assist expats in completing administrative tasks such as renewing driver’s licences.

Safeguard Defenders holds that the stations function mainly as outposts for the Chinese policy of “Involuntary Return” – a program of compelling Chinese nationals to return home whenever the country’s security service deems that they’ve violated Chinese law. “These operations eschew official bilateral police and judicial cooperation,” they wrote.


Europe is home to most of the police stations, with locations spread across the continent in places such as London, Amsterdam, Prague, Budapest, Athens, Paris, Madrid and Frankfurt. North America is also home to four of the stations, with three locations in Toronto and one in New York City. In all, there are 54 such stations in 30 different countries.

(The fact that they’re only mentioning three stations in Toronto and none in Vancouver seems kind of fishy all by itself)

“These operations eschew official bilateral police and judicial cooperation and violate the international rule of law, and may violate the territorial integrity in third countries involved in setting up a parallel policing mechanism using illegal methods,” the report by Safeguard Defenders, a human rights watchdog, said, according to the New York Post.


The report, titled “110 Overseas: Chinese Transnational Policing Gone Wild,” details China’s extensive efforts to combat “fraud” by its citizens living overseas, in part by opening several police stations on five continents that have assisted Chinese authorities in “carrying out policing operations on foreign soil.”

"Canada is becoming China’s chew toy," warns Senior Fellow Charles Burton. Beijing’s meddling in Canadians affairs includes an alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity lose their seats in the 2021 federal election.


Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies.

The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery.

This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP.

In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process.

The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionagein our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can.

With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.
 

Ron in Regina

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This is from almost two years ago:

Though the recent election was mostly an expensive waste of time, it highlighted an emerging problem that all Canadians should be worrying about: China’s interference into Canada’s domestic politics.

When Conservative MP Kenny Chiu introduced a private member’s bill to set up a registry for foreign government agents (mirroring legislation that already exists in Australia and the United States), Canada’s Chinese communities were flooded with disinformationthat vilified him — much of which appears to have originated from the Chinese government.

The Liberals, on their end, seem unconcerned about this foreign interference into Canada’s politics. This is unsurprising as the Trudeau government has been remarkably soft on China — as exemplified by its complacency with the Uighur genocide.

In February, the Conservatives forwarded a motion to officially recognize China’s treatment of Uighur Muslims as genocide. The motion was overwhelmingly supported by every party except for the Liberals. No Liberal MP was shameless enough to vote against recognizing an obvious genocide, so, instead, almost half of them simply abstained from voting, including every member of cabinet.
i'm sure the 2 michaels are just thrilled. :rolleyes: :(
In a similar spirit, when China detained two Canadian citizens, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, and used them as diplomatic hostages for nearly three years, the Liberals reacted with embarrassing obsequiousness. The two Michaels were released Friday after China secured its strategic goals (the release of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou), but their ordeal will live on as an example of Liberal foreign policy failures.

Some might argue that Trudeau’s hands are simply tied. How can Canada resist a global superpower, afterall? But when Australia found itself similarly bullied by China, it held its ground even in the face of export restrictions that cost its economy billions of dollars. Lithuania, a microstate, has also fearlessly criticized China, showing that it’s possible to stand up for your independence despite retaliation.

It is imperative that Canada protect its sovereignty from China, and it is possible (and essential) to do this in a manner that respects Chinese-Canadians. We do not need to compromise, especially when compromise has only left us with a false peace. Oh well….
 

Serryah

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Yeah, weird & ominous. Was reading about this days ago, & Canada isn’t the only place, but it’s a soft target.

Canada is but one of several dozen countries that are now home to overseas outposts of Chinese law enforcement. This week, a report in The Irish Times noted the opening of a Fuzhou Overseas Police Service Station in central Dublin.


Three addresses in Toronto are known to be registered as “service stations” operated by the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau, a police force active in the Chinese metropolis of Fuzhou.

China maintains that the stations exist simply to assist expats in completing administrative tasks such as renewing driver’s licences.

Safeguard Defenders holds that the stations function mainly as outposts for the Chinese policy of “Involuntary Return” – a program of compelling Chinese nationals to return home whenever the country’s security service deems that they’ve violated Chinese law. “These operations eschew official bilateral police and judicial cooperation,” they wrote.


Europe is home to most of the police stations, with locations spread across the continent in places such as London, Amsterdam, Prague, Budapest, Athens, Paris, Madrid and Frankfurt. North America is also home to four of the stations, with three locations in Toronto and one in New York City. In all, there are 54 such stations in 30 different countries.

(The fact that they’re only mentioning three stations in Toronto and none in Vancouver seems kind of fishy all by itself)

“These operations eschew official bilateral police and judicial cooperation and violate the international rule of law, and may violate the territorial integrity in third countries involved in setting up a parallel policing mechanism using illegal methods,” the report by Safeguard Defenders, a human rights watchdog, said, according to the New York Post.


The report, titled “110 Overseas: Chinese Transnational Policing Gone Wild,” details China’s extensive efforts to combat “fraud” by its citizens living overseas, in part by opening several police stations on five continents that have assisted Chinese authorities in “carrying out policing operations on foreign soil.”

"Canada is becoming China’s chew toy," warns Senior Fellow Charles Burton. Beijing’s meddling in Canadians affairs includes an alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity lose their seats in the 2021 federal election.


Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies.

The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery.

This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP.

In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process.

The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionagein our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can.

With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.

If China has dissidents to request back to China, it can apply for their return.

Otherwise, fuck off, this is Canada, NOT China.

I don't want my niece, or future family, having to live like the Yugurs do, because they're not Chinese and refuse to abide by Chinese rules/law.
 

Jinentonix

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I guess a Canadian isn't a Canadian isn't a Canadian after all. Then again, I guess that's the risk you take when you decide to be a dual national.
 
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Wise

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It's all right, I guess. There are also restaurants that have signs and menu completely written in Chinese language only.
 

DaSleeper

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When they start loosing money they will revert back to the language of the local clientele

I'd be willing to bet that the bill is written in the local language;)