Children Trained As Bombs

[humanbeing]

Yeah, there are too many people in the dark, that's for sure...

You are right in that last post. It just goes to show that this is something that works universally, and not just with a few specific cases or cultures. One can be white, or black, or whatever (race hardly exists except in the imagination, which I assume you can agree on since you put the quotation marks around "white"), or one can be christian or muslim, and it doesn't need to be a factor in that sort of a mindset.

 

[gopher]

Once again, we have strayed from the topic because no one has supplied genuine proof that children are being exploited in the military. As always, I insist that if you want me to believe this baseless claim, you will have to present evidence from UNICEF which is the international body that overseas childhood welfare.

For too long we in the West have succumbed to the infinite amount of baseless rumors that have been spread in the media by hate filled, pro-war Islamophobes.

Check for yourselves = the rumor that there were WMD in Iraq, the rumor that Iran sent children to detonate land mines, the rumor that civilians were used in waves during the border war, the rumor that Ahmadinejad said Israel should be wiped off the earth (fully discredited by Professor Juan Cole), the utterly baseless rumor by the IDF that Hezbollah used civilians as human shields which was discredited by the Israeli government in 1996, the utterly baseless rumor from the IDF that Hezbollah used civilians as human shields again in this past conflict that was refuted by Human Rights Watch.

Each and every time these baseless rumors were circulated by the CIA or by the Mossad and each was refuted. Yet, the rumors continue but the reported refutations continually are ignored.

How do you explain any of that???

It is time for people to open their eyes and to post intelligent questions on the subject in order to stop the pro-war hatemongers who wish to destroy Islam and to foment these incessant wars that serve to generate large war profits.

 

[gopher]

Tartars, Chechens, Beslan ...


Off topic but deserving of discussion.

In an earlier thread, I mentioned that I take great interest in 19th century classical Russian literate as well as Russian + Central Asian folklore. As such, I am somewhat, though not fully, aware of that region's history.

Chechens as well as Ingush and Dagestanis claim that region as their homeland. They say their heritage goes back thousands of years and this has been confirmed by linguists and historians. Russia has no such heritage there yet claims hegemony. When the Romanovs under Tzar Nicholas invaded in the 1830s he did so without invitation from the locals. To this day no such invitation has been extended. Stalin went even further in his brutality than did the Romanovs by killing and exiling hundreds of thousands of Kavkazskiis of all ethnicities. Some returned and were given token autonomy by the Soviets.

The attack upon Beslan, North Ossetia was abhorrent. 300 innocents were killed. The Russian attack upon Grozny by Putin in 1996 was infinitely worse. Tens of thousands (many of which were children) were killed. Photos showed that this vicious attack matched that of Hitler upon the Warsaw ghetto. Yet, the Western media ignored the horrors that were inflicted there.

Yes, Chechens have resorted to terrorism against Russia. But Russia's historic terrorism upon Chechens is the cause for their reprisals. This does not excuse any killings. It merely explains why they happened.

 

[Chukcha]

As such, I am somewhat, though not fully, aware of that region's history.

Chechens as well as Ingush and Dagestanis claim that region as their homeland... ...Russia has no such heritage there yet claims hegemony. When the Romanovs under Tzar Nicholas invaded in the 1830s he did so without invitation from the locals. To this day no such invitation has been extended. Stalin went even further in his brutality than did the Romanovs by killing and exiling hundreds of thousands of Kavkazskiis of all ethnicities. Some returned and were given token autonomy by the Soviets.

Can I ask you, where do you come up with this crap? I wouldn't be surprise if you were a muslim.
Romanovs invaded Russia? is that what you're saying. Ok. :idea: it's either I don't really get it what you're saying, or, you're trying to come up with just... something to say, or, you're completely nuts :lol: Read some wikipedia tonight, will you? here, I looked it up, just for you my dear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Ancient_Russia :evil:

Yes, Chechens have resorted to terrorism against Russia. But Russia's historic terrorism upon Chechens is the cause for their reprisals. This does not excuse any killings. It merely explains why they happened.

Exuse me, are you saying - it's ok those kids were dead, because they deserved it? And, are you saying, the Chechens deserve to take over russian lands and kill all of russians. You have just really insalted me. :evil: And that nonesense about Putin was a bit too much, I think you're using a bit of propoganda in your post. When you will learn the life properly, reach for help, I'll be there.

 

[gopher]

What nonsense are you talking about? I said the attack on Beslan was horrendous. For goodness sake!

As for Russia's invasion of Chechnya, see this:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chechnyatime1.html

Where's the invitation from Chechens???

See what happens when you stray from a topic?

 

[gopher]

For further information see:

http://scout.wisc.edu/Reports/ScoutReport/1999/scout-991022.html



specifically see,

Russian Attack on Grozny, Chechnya
BBC News Battle for the Caucasus: Special Report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_461000/461041.stm
Voice of Russia [RealPlayer]
http://www.wrn.org/ondemand/russia.html
"Putin Contradicts Russian Army Spokesman" -- CNN
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9910/22/russia.chechnya.02/
Chechen Republic Online
http://www.amina.com/
Russia's Chechen Operation -- USIA
http://www.usia.gov/admin/005/wwwh9o20.html
At 6:15pm local time yesterday, the Russian breakaway republic Chechnya's capital of Grozny was attacked by Russian military forces. While Russian government officials denied responsibility, this morning the Russian military admitted to carrying out the missile attack. One reported target of the strike was the main market that military officials claimed was used at night by bandits and terrorists as a place to sell arms and weapons. Witnesses have reported that the market was filled with people shopping for food and sitting in nearby cafes. In addition to the market, a maternity hospital in Grozny was also hit in the missile strike. Chechen officials claim that at least 118 people were killed and hundreds were wounded. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has stated that civilians are not being targeted in the current military effort in Chechnya. Russian forces moved into Chechnya in late September in response to a Chechen-led insurgency in neighboring Dagestan, as well as the terrorist bombings in three Russian cities, including Moscow, that officials blame on Chechen guerrillas.

As is often the case, BBC News offers a good starting point for users interested in in-depth coverage of global news and current developments in the situation in Chechnya. Users can listen to the latest news from Russia in English from the Voice of Russia. CNN's report centers on Russian Prime Minister Putin's speculation that the explosions at the main market in Grozny were the result of clashes between rival groups. CNN also has video coverage of the scene as well as links to related articles. The Chechen Republic Online provides articles, current news, and information on the social life in Chechnya. The United States Information Agency (USIA) has compiled excerpts from 59 reports and editorials on Russia's Chechen Operation from newspapers in 27 countries. Additional resources on Russia and Chechnya can be found in Signpost, the Scout Report's searchable archive. These include Crisis in North Caucasus, the September 17, 1999 Scout Report's In the News: Terrorism in Russia, and Russia Today. [AG]



If anyone can prove to me that Chechens invited the Romanovs or invited Stalin, please provide links to prove it.

 

[I think not]

See what happens when you stray from a topic?

You're absolutely right.

 

[Chukcha]

What nonsense are you talking about? I said the attack on Beslan was horrendous. For goodness sake!

As for Russia's invasion of Chechnya, see this:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chechnyatime1.html

Where's the invitation from Chechens???

See what happens when you stray from a topic?

Ok, let's say, russia is a barbaric nation, yet I don't know one nation, which would not try to invade russia. First of all.
Secondly, do you suggest the Jews go now killing all of the Palestinians, since their main homeland was there? It's quite a reason. They could use this reason to revenge Germany too. Armenians were kicked out by the Turks, millions of them were killed, do you know why? The Land and the Religion. Chingis Khan invaded Russia for hundreds years, and a lot of it became their lands till this day, should russia start killing the Khan's generation. So, what are we talking about?
And finally, I don't really know the reason, the main reason why this is happening in Chechnya, but a lot of yong russian boys, like 18 y.o. sent there, without being questioned, and never return home. I see my son, he is a baby, only 4, but he will be my baby for many years, at least untill he get's married. The 18 y.o. is still a baby. So don't say that it's only the chechen's blood drained over there.

 

[EastSideScotian]

See what happens when you stray from a topic?

You're absolutely right.

Oh ITN, its clearly Photoshopped by the CIA.... :roll:

 

[gopher]

Oh ITN, its clearly Photoshopped by the CIA.


It probably is. After all, why would Palestinians go around carrying placards written in German?



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Jews and Palestinians ... Turkey and Armenians ...


Again, completely off topic.

Now answer my questions regarding any historical evidence of invitations from Kavkazskiis to the Romanovs, to Stalin to Putin.

 

[Chukcha]

Jews and Palestinians ... Turkey and Armenians ...


Again, completely off topic.

Now answer my questions regarding any historical evidence of invitations from Kavkazskiis to the Romanovs, to Stalin to Putin.

And like your question is completely IN topic :lol:
I didn't realise your were seriously asking me that question. I don't know, I wasn't there at the time.
But did you actually read my post as well? The mongolians invaded Russia, without being intvited, and a lot of russian lands until now is populated by the tatars, although, they are considered part of USSR, offcourse, but mainly occupied by the Tatars. You suggest Russia should be pleasing everyone for sharing the land? Why doesn't then Palestinian share the land. Oh, sorry, it's completely of topic :lol:

 

[humanbeing]

As always, I insist that if you want me to believe this baseless claim, you will have to present evidence from UNICEF which is the international body that overseas childhood welfare.

Whose post are you referring to, Gopher? Mine?

 

[gopher]

The mongolians invaded Russia,


Kavkaz was also invaded by the Mongols but its ethnic groupings haven't returned the favor by invading Mongolia.



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Whose post are you referring to, Gopher? Mine?


Anyone's post who refers to the topic at hand -- UNICEF has found exploitation of children for military purposes in Congo and has reported it in their site. I saw no reference to Palestinians doing this.

BTW, a few years ago there was a movement (sponored I believe by UNICEF or another independent agency) that sought to void conscription for anyone under 16 or 17. Does anyone know what happened to the effort to create such a treaty?

 

[Chukcha]

The mongolians invaded Russia,


Kavkaz was also invaded by the Mongols but its ethnic groupings haven't returned the favor by invading Mongolia.

Yeah, and... you're saying, that it was Ok for Mongols to invade the lands? right?

 

[humanbeing]

Oh ITN, its clearly Photoshopped by the CIA....

About that silly little picture with the girl that's got fake bombs strapped to herself. Was it just posted as a joke, or does someone take it to seriously mean anything towards what this thread is about?

I've seen quite a few of these pictures from peace rallies grabbed completely out of context and entitled "suicide bomber girl"... not that I know for certain this one is, but I have seen numerous others taken in that fashion that I find it difficult to believe this one is any different without some sort of proof.

The little thing she is doing with her hand that looks like a peace sign must actually be a pair of scissors that she intends to stab into the eyes of her Israeli enemy... sheesh!

 

[CDNBear]

Re: RE: Children Trained As Bombs

How do you think muslim feel in general to see the whole coaltion of the willing supporting a deadly israelis-policy which affect palestinians.

Mindless drivel must be your expertice. The deadly Israeli policy you are referring to must be.."Don't f**k with us or ours and we won't stomp you in to dust."

Change your flag to the German National if you want to trot through life with the Nazi blinders on.

 

[gopher]

Yeah, and... you're saying, that it was Ok for Mongols to invade the lands? right?



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As for the thread's topic, I am still waiting for proof from UNICEF that it has found any evidence to support the mythical claim that children are being used as cannon fodder.

It's a good bet this is going to be a long wait.

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, and... you're saying, that it was Ok for Mongols to invade the lands? right?



:roll:



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As for the thread's topic, I am still waiting for proof from UNICEF that it has found any evidence to support the mythical claim that children are being used as cannon fodder.

It's a good bet this is going to be a long wait.

I'm not sure if that query was posted to me, but to your other query, was the Hezbollah not using women and children as human shields in Palestine, did Saddam not call on his "people" to provide a human shield for him in the guise of a call for them to rise up agaianst the allied forces in a key area where he was trying to escape through?

 

[Chukcha]

As for the thread's topic, I am still waiting for proof from UNICEF that it has found any evidence to support the mythical claim that children are being used as cannon fodder.

It's a good bet this is going to be a long wait.

Can someone please explain my previous answer to this person in English.
Pleeeeease.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Children Trained As Bombs

Yeah

And what just makes it worse is that the little Primer for Murder textbook, along with the ones that have maps that show Israel as Palestine, and the posters of child "martyrs" on the walls, were paid for with funds from western governments, including large amounts from Canada.

Source, link of what you claim?