Children Trained As Bombs

[Chukcha]

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how do you think muslim feel, when usa-uk and whole coalition of the willing decided to go in iraq, based on alie?

How do you think I felt, when I used to be threatened to be raped and torn apart by the Chechen muslims based on who I was? Hey, I was a teenager back then, being threatened by the big hairy dirty adults :x , we were worried to walk around the streets at night, mostly because of them. And, how do you think my mom would feel, if eventually that would happen? Thank God it never happened to me, but it did to a others...

 

[Curiosity]

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How do you think I felt, when I used to be threatened to be raped and torn apart by the Chechen muslims based on who I was? Hey, I was a teenager back then, being threatened by the big hairy dirty adults :x , we were worried to walk around the streets at night, mostly because of them. And, how do you think my mom would feel, if eventually that would happen? Thank God it never happened to me, but it did to a others...

Nobody born in the western world can understand what you have written

When your words are too powerful to imagine - people often resort to the excuse they can do nothing... or find fault with the source of the material, or define it immediately as a lie which is safe, irresponsible and selfish...and end up with pointing the finger at some far off cause which is popular with the masses.

What we can do is assume the possibility it is true and rather than defeat the purpose of the exercise by the decision "we can do nothing because it doesn't affect us".... we can educate ourselves as to the causes and hopefully the remedies to prevent this from happening ever again.

I would like to read more of your life there and am so grateful you spoke up because reading a few reactions to the possibility that children are being used in warfare - I wondered if anyone had remembered the incident where the first day of school for those children was turned into a waking hell and through your words we remembered the news broadcasts and turned away - thinking with guilt - we were glad it was not our schools, our children, our world.

Terrorists have no morality or responsibilty towards human life whether it is a child's life, a soldier, a pregnant woman, or an old person. It is all the same - worthless.

 

[gopher]

I wonder whether it's true. maybe it is occasionally


Actually it's quite easy to check whether there is any truth to this thread's topic: log on the UN web site and see if it has found any evidence to support the ludicrous claim that children are being as human bombs.

When the claim was made about Iranian children, the UN declared that this was unfounded. It will readily do the same, today. Note how no one from the UN or its agencies was quoted in either article that was cited as "proof" of the bogus claim.

Guarantee: no evidence to support the bogus claim will be found as it would be violative of the Koran and bring disfavor from Islamic clerics. Eventually you will learn that it is just more anti-Islamic propaganda from bigotted war hysterics.

 

[jimmoyer]

Perhaps you don't think of kids in their 20s as
children.

Some of us ancients do.

 

[gopher]

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Perhaps you need to re-read the articles cited as "proof" of the topic's bogus claim.

 

[Curiosity]

Gopher

Much of my "learning" about Iraq has been reading the milblogs from the people who are there and using a few minutes of their down time to send pictures and write essays to us bypassing the usual cleansed news stories.

It is an education in itself and for one so discerning - perhaps you would enjoy reading these accounts from the front lines.

Did you know recruitment (fallen in 2005) is now up 104% this year so far and re-upping is two out of three who are still physically able to return.

If these men and women see progress - it is encouraging - if they see what you believe - nobody would be re-upping.

 

[jimmoyer]

But gopher you do know that Iran
did send waves of their own people straight
into enemy gunfire during that 8-9 year war
with Iraq in the 80s.


You wonder if the older Iraqi Shia forget the
Iran Shia from that 80s war ?

 

[hermanntrude]

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I suppose it probably isnt true on a general scale, but guessing on the basis of the fact there are loonies everywhere, I expect it HAS happened at times.

Question is... why train a kid?

Based on the pretty horrendous idea that u want to blow up a bunch of people by using a child, the ideal way to do it is give the child a large backpack full of semtex and tell it to "take this fairy gold to uncle abu over there... just keep walking in that direction" then press the big red button. Why give a child "training"? If u were crazy enough to want to kill a child and others at the same time, you'd be crazy enough to do it without the child's knowledge... then again i suppose you'd be crazy enough to put in the extra effort to train it and then kill it.

 

[tracy]

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More Muslims have been directly killed by fellow
Muslims than by any other persons of any other faith.

I'm sure the same could be said of most religions eh?

 

[gopher]

" milblogs ... recruiting"


Two completely different issues, both of which are irrelevant to the topic.

For the record, yes I do read certain blogs but hesitate to give them much credibility as they are biased (naturally).

As for military recruiting (assuming you mean USA military), again, yes, I am aware that recruiting is up. But, of course, this is because the standards for recruits have been significantly dropped. The high school diploma requirement, health standards, and teen criminal records rules have been lessened so that youths who have GEDs, weaker health, and some offenses deemed to be minor can still enlist.

In my youth I attempted to enlist in the military but failed the medical entry test because of an irregularity in my heart beat. This was during the Vietnam war when the military needed recruits. Today, with the lower entry standards I would have been admitted into the miltary. Thus, the higher recruitment numbers do not represent any higher degree of interest in a military career (honorable though it might be) nor does it represent a validation of Bush's ineptitude. Instead, it shows how desperate the Republican regime is to embroider its numbers in order to make itself look like a success.


Now, back on topic:

UNICEF is the UN's agency that deals with international child welfare. When I last looked through its web site I saw nothing there which validates the notion that Palestinians recruit young minors. Therefore, if you or anyone else wishes to have me believe the notion that Palestinians engage in such an abhorrent practice which violates the Koran, give me a link from that agency which validates the finding from those two news sources.

For your information, UNICEF has condemned the Congo terrorists for recruiting young children in its incessant tribal wars. Most of these peoples are either Christian with others being pagans (by this I mean non-Abrahamic). There are undoubtedly some Muslims in those conflicts as well but these violations stem more from cultural conflicts rather than from religion.


One final note: while I appreciate your communication, please stay on topic as this is a very important issue and warrants undivided attention and reasoned discourse. Thank you.

 

[Chukcha]

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Terrorists have no morality or responsibilty towards human life whether it is a child's life, a soldier, a pregnant woman, or an old person. It is all the same - worthless.

Thanks for your support Wednesday's Child, and I am glad that there are people who believe it's not us making the world a Chaos.
We had lots of foreign students in Russia, African Black, Portugese, etc, also a lot of people from different republics, Armenians, Georgians, Ukranians etc, they never created as much trouble as Dagestanians, Chechens, Tatars - which are muslim by religion. We've been told by them, white women are not as good as their's, and that we were their slaves, if not we should be dead. I am so glad they didn't have enough power, and I am glad they are not welcome there anymore. However, some russians may disagree with me, and that would be mostly because they lived in different parts of russia, like North of Russia, you wouldn't see many muslim there, or Siberia, etc. But where I lived it was a nightmare, and the worst thing, you couldn't do much, the country was so corrupted, the bustards used to just buy the goverment workers, as well as police members.
People may not believe me, but it would be very unfortunate if they would have to try it on their on skin. I want to be heard, I want to send a message to the people who have no idea. It's is much deeper than black and white, it is much deeper.

 

[gopher]

Iran did send waves of their own people straight
into enemy gunfire during that 8-9 year war
with Iraq in the 80s.


I am aware that it was so reported by the Western media. I am not aware of any acknowledgement from the Irani government that this was what actually happened.

After the 1979 Revolution much of the Shah's military was disbanded. During the war one year later (and for the remaining 8 years of the war), Iran's Revolutionary government relied on its militias to fight off Iraqi aggression that was largely paid for by Carter and by Reagan. The battle was initially in the disputed Khuzestan province {an area noted for its oil and waterways} but much of the action thereafter was in eastern Iraq. Significantly, it was the Kurds who were the principal victims of Saddam's chemical weapons (which, again, were largely financed by Reagan and Rumsfeld) because this is mostly Kurdish territory.

One thing that has escaped Western media attention is the fact that minorities did a disproportionate amount of fighting for Iran and suffered a large amount of casualties. Among these minorities were Azeris, Baluchis, Kurds, and Irani Arabs. This may be explained by the fact that Western Iran has a larger portion of minorities. Interestingly, they were loyal to Teheran's Revolutionary government and remain so to this day.

 

[gopher]

terrorists have no regard for human life ...

Shamefully, this is obviously true for USA personnel in Iraq.

 

[Chukcha]

Just to add to my last post, Tatars had more sense, they weren't too bad, especially those who lived in Russia not in Tatarstan. If somebody doesn't know, Tatars are the generation of the Chingis-Khan, mongolians. Somehow, the muslim Chechens were the worst out of all other muslim nations in Russian republics. However, in general muslims were more obvious in their behaviour.
...I can't stop thinking of those kids in Beslan, I can't stop remembering that screaming of burn, it breaks my heart. So I will continue to speak, until the world will win.

 

[Chukcha]

Shamefully, this is obviously true for USA personnel in Iraq.

You know, this picture makes me shiever, yes, and I agree, they should be more respectful to the dead, we say, you either say good things about the dead or you don't say anthing. But what would you say, if one of your family members (God forbid) were brutally murdered by one those laying in the grave now? You have no idea, do you? You just don't know what it feels like to loose someone just because someone decided to murder them.

 

[humanbeing]

I'm just as concerned about seeing Christianity off to the graveyard as I am with Islam...

And, Chukcha, I feel shocked after reading your post. I just thought about what you said, and it sent shivers through my body, and made me very upset.

However, it's not just Muslims, and you should know this! I feel just as horrible about what you have described, as I do for the young girl who gets some soldiers bearing down on her for sex, simply because she is young, she is female, and she is essentially defenseless.

In places, Muslim majority or not, there are problems. See Ireland not too long ago, when numerous girls, as young as nine or ten, were raped and impregnated by men, even their own fathers, regularly. The plight of people, women especially, in such terrible situations as war and religious conflicts, really has no justification.

In fact, such horrors as what you described to us here, are all too common in numerous societies, war torn or not. Even here in Canada, this can be a serious concern for many women.

With that, I recommend The Demon Lover by Robin Morgan.

 

[Chukcha]

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However, it's not just Muslims, and you should know this!

I know this, however, what I know is, if I were lost in a suburb at night, I would rather ask the Russian than Chechen for directions, it feels safer, to at least knowing that you wouldn't be insalted or humiliated.

 

[humanbeing]

Perhaps, but this is basically focusing on one problem, while ignoring the core issue. Not that it is my place to tell you what you should or should not be doing, or anything.

If that is the part of the world you live in, or have interests in, then by all means do what you can to address it. It is a worthy thing to be communicating to others about what you have had to face (and I appreciate that you would do so). Just always remember that it is deeper than just Russians vs. Chechens. You wouldn't go around addressing people by simply saying that the Russian guys are safer than the Chechen guys, would you? Of course not!

 

[humanbeing]

Sorry if I am coming off sounding really assertive, btw. It's not my place to do so.

 

[Chukcha]

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Just always remember that it is deeper than just Russians vs. Chechens. You wouldn't go around addressing people by simply saying that the Russian guys are safer than the Chechen guys, would you? Of course not!

Yes, I know that, just as well as I know, when my husband was called to Indonesia for business purposes, we had to live there for 3 years, with kids, we had all kind of future threats and racism towards us, for being white, for being christian, for being stupid white christian, you name it. With time it just somehow was getting worse, we had to live for this reason, we didn't feel very safe being there with kids, because our "white" kids were threatened too.