Children exposed to too much violence in the media, parents, teachers warn

[Tonington]

Hmmm, thats a good question Sanctus. Could be that that was the first thing she saw to retort with.

If I acted like that when I was a kid, it wouldn't have been for long...Apparently my brother and I used to fight lots in Church, my mother said to stop it all she had to do was run her hands through my hair and I'd sit still and shut up!

 

[hermanntrude]

Well that is what I thought! I've wondered if she would have shouted at me if I had not been in my "uniform" but instead dressed like a "real person."

hahaha real person

 

[sanctus]

Hmmm, thats a good question Sanctus. Could be that that was the first thing she saw to retort with.

If I acted like that when I was a kid, it wouldn't have been for long...Apparently my brother and I used to fight lots in Church, my mother said to stop it all she had to do was run her hands through my hair and I'd sit still and shut up!

When we were kids and mis-behaving at Mass, my mother had that "LOOK" that basically told you you were as dead as a doornail if you didn't STOP NOW! Sometimes she'd pinch us for goodness sake.

Mind you, this was back in the days when you would have never dreamed of so much as eating bubblegum in Church, never mind asking to bring a toy or book to read! I can't even imagine what my mother would have done if we had even asked her to do this!! hah hah hah.

Shoot, just fidgeting got the LOOK, never mind anything else! She'd always made my brother and I sit on opposite sides of her with a sister by each of us.(there were four of us)

 

[sanctus]

Hmmm, thats a good question Sanctus. Could be that that was the first thing she saw to retort with.

Probably. No pity party, but I think you'd be stunned at some of the reactions a man gets in his clericals. Some people, for whatever their personal reasons, feel such an outfit is an invitation for rudeness.

 

[tamarin]

Decline in church attendance and the decline in the institution itself certainly haven't benefited society. I've got an excellent memory. Being 55, I've got a lot to remember. Standards in children's behaviour have plummeted. I've seen things over the last 30 years especially and that are now commonplace that never would have been tolerated in families, communities and schools of the '60's. The last great age in education before the child-centred cult took over.
And looking at American Idol for the last two nights it occurred to me frequently: we've evolved as a species and I'm not sure we're even what we once were. Many of the contestants probably would have benefited from a cage or leash. Not that I'd want to be responsible for walking or feeding them, mind you.

 

[hermanntrude]

to be fair, watching american idol means you're watching the lunatic fringe of a country which as a whole is probably certifiable. In the old days they would have been in asylums, wearing straight-jackets. You would not have been permitted to see them, probably because their "carers" were raping them on a regular basis

 

[darkbeaver]

Now what in the heck is wrong with what children learn in Sunday School's? What specifically in their lesson plans do you find abusive?

Well just the fact that mythology is presented as the word of god is enough. It's a very unhealthy thing to promote superstition among the young. Similarly stuffing a child into a desk in the factorys we call schools destroys them physically and mentally as sure as drugs and beatings, both practices are unhealthy and destructive as well as unnatural. We bemone the dreadful physical condition of our children but we condemn them to sit in a classroom for six or seven hours a day and wonder where they get thier bad habits from. They should be running free and wild, when they want to learn something they'll tell you.

see Bertrand Russel -------Why I Am Not A Christian 1957 or thereabouts:wave:

 

[darkbeaver]

Now what in the heck is wrong with what children learn in Sunday School's? What specifically in their lesson plans do you find abusive?

Well just the fact that mythology is presented as the word of god is enough. It's a very unhealthy thing to promote superstition among the young. Similarly stuffing a child into a desk in the factorys we call schools destroys them physically and mentally as sure as drugs and beatings, both practices are unhealthy and destructive as well as unnatural. We bemone the dreadful physical condition of our children but we condemn them to sit in a classroom for six or seven hours a day and wonder where they get thier bad habits from. They should be running free and wild, when they want to learn something they'll tell you. Regimentation of the young to produce consumers and citizens is abuse.

see Bertrand Russel -------Why I Am Not A Christian 1957 or thereabouts:wave:

 

[tamarin]

"They should be running free and wild, when they want to learn something they'll tell you."
Unadulterated poppycock! If discipline wasn't imposed on children the majority would spend most of their time reflecting on their navels, thieving, fornicating and doing zilch of benefit to their community. Where did we ever get this idea that the child left to his own devices would choose to make the best of his time?

 

[L Gilbert]

This society is regulation crazy. There are all kinds of groups who meet across the country and nitpick together and plan for legislative initiatives. A lot of it has to do with saving kids. I'd like to see some legislation put together to save us from the kids.
- curfews to ensure neighbourhoods are safe after 9:00 p.m.
- decency laws that insist children not wear obscene t-shirts or play obscene music in public places or cars where the crap soon contaminates public space
- language laws that fine children for using obscene language in public places

Hey, that's a start. As I've said before: we need laws less to protect children than to protect us from them.

"This society is regulation crazy", you say, then suggest that more should be added. :roll: lol
If kids are taught appropraite principles in the first place, very few become troublemakers. It is parents' responsibility primarily (and teachers, coaches, etc. secondarily)to raise their kids according to societal standards.

 

[selfactivated]

Nonsense. The main reason we are seeing a rise in such behaviour in children is because more and more parents are neglecting to raise their children in a Church where once upon a time kids learned decent moral values. To contrast what you wrote, I think children should be forced to go to some church at least until they are 16.

Your statement is SO out of touch. I raised 3 kids in a church I taught them moral values and I was smart about not being a blind sheep to anyone including a priest. My youngest wants to be a Officer for the Sally Ally (the church I brought her up in) The middle child has been in and out of jail since 14 and had a child she's NOT raising. And the oldest is dead at 22 playing breath games and screwed up! Now you tell me......Who failed my kids? The church? Or ME!? I did......cause I allowed a church co parenting rights!

 

[L Gilbert]

And all this excessive violence they are exposed to does what to their violent behaviour? Lets check..

Oh looks, its at the lowest recorded levels in history.

I guess we need to start getting toddlers to play GTA: Hooker Killin Hobo edition and we can finally have a society without violence.

People aren't as retarded (even kids) as we like to believe. Everyone in the world (besides you) is not stupid and does not need you to nanny them.

Right. Kids know that what they see on tv and in games isn't real. I was told that by a 5 year old once. Specifically the kid said, "It's a show, it ain't real". Hung my mouth open for a while.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nonsense. The main reason we are seeing a rise in such behaviour in children is because more and more parents are neglecting to raise their children in a Church where once upon a time kids learned decent moral values. To contrast what you wrote, I think children should be forced to go to some church at least until they are 16.

Oh , I see. It isn't parents' mandate to raise kids responsibly, it's the churches' mandates. Nuts.

 

[hermanntrude]

I was raised without a church, but with an open mind. I reject the idea that a child will somehow be deficient without a church. In fact the way that a church teaches certain ideas as pure fact without any proof seems bad to me. children should be able to make up their own minds, and that's much more difficult when it's been drummed into them from the age of 3 that noah built an ark and the red sea parted.

If you brought up a child from a very early age, telling them that air was made of chocolate and that cutting your hair would hurt you, they'd believe it.

 

[L Gilbert]

I'd like to see some study which concludes that. Besides which, the holy books are filled with passages describing violent acts. I agree that parents need to be doing a better job, but I don't think religion is the sole institution which can provide the moral fabric you allude to.

Do the people advocating these changes to broadcasting laws apply to news broadcasts also? Theres plenty of violence in the news broadcasts.

Right. The whole thing boils down to people in general not wanting to be responsible for anything. It's the pass the buck era.

 

[L Gilbert]

before i throw the annoying little bugger out the window

Extremist. I'm content with squishing the little bugger(s) into the little cubbyholes for baggage over the seats.

 

[karrie]

When we were kids and mis-behaving at Mass, my mother had that "LOOK" that basically told you you were as dead as a doornail if you didn't STOP NOW! Sometimes she'd pinch us for goodness sake.

Mind you, this was back in the days when you would have never dreamed of so much as eating bubblegum in Church, never mind asking to bring a toy or book to read! I can't even imagine what my mother would have done if we had even asked her to do this!! hah hah hah.

Shoot, just fidgeting got the LOOK, never mind anything else! She'd always made my brother and I sit on opposite sides of her with a sister by each of us.(there were four of us)

I'm one of the few moms my age who refused to bring toys or snacks to church once my kids were over about 10 mnths old. I'm not going to pretend I go as often as i should, but I get irate seeing kids spilling snack bags full of cheerios all over the place while playing with their hotwheels cars at mass. But, as our priest says... at least they're there. And I can't say my family's habits are much better. my super hyper little (5yr old) boy, for whatever weird reason, snuggles up and falls alseep almost the second we enter a church. So, I then spend mass with 50lbs of dead weight in my lap.

 

[L Gilbert]

Indeed!m I was on a flight to New York City once out of Detroit, Michigan, and the little boy behind me was drumming no less on the back of my seat. When I turned around to ask the mother to stop him, she actually barked at me "don't think because you're a priest you'll get special rights!!!"" I thought, "what the hell?". Needless to say I had the junior Ringo Starr all the way into La Guardia.(2 hours)

And let's not talk about them in Church these days!! Running up and down the aisles, talking or noise making toys, crying, dis-respectful to the adults around them...I could go on!

Well, I could be tolerant of kids' behavior in church because I don't think formal settings are an appropriate place for the cute lil critters (same with formal education for kids). Not places condusive to the best learning. Kids learn best when they're interested and sitting in a pew waiting for some old geezer (no offense intended because to a 4 year old even a teen is an old geezer) to quit babbling away in words that are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past the kids' comprehesion is just plain boring. And kids have short attention spans which makes these kinds of settings worse.

 

[Tonington]

I was brought up going to church every Sunday, and Sunday school as well. I learned alot from it, things like those teaching the morals quite aptly weren't practicing what they were preaching. I learned that even devout followers with a divine "moral" fabric could be as cruel and closed minded as those who had no divine path. Most importantly I followed my father's advice and didn't take anything at face value because someone tells you so, which as I have said was quite evident in my dealings with the Sunday school staff.

 

[L Gilbert]

"They should be running free and wild, when they want to learn something they'll tell you."
Unadulterated poppycock! If discipline wasn't imposed on children the majority would spend most of their time reflecting on their navels, thieving, fornicating and doing zilch of benefit to their community. Where did we ever get this idea that the child left to his own devices would choose to make the best of his time?

Taking the idea to an extreme. I don't think kids should be in formal settings either, but that's not the same as saying let them have free will. It's better to guide them as humans than to drive them like sheep.