Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

[Nascar_James]

He does???

Over 70%, James. He keeps beating your shills in elections in spite of dirty tricks by the CIA.

Chavez also has massive popular support in countries neighbouring Venezuela.

Now let's look at Bush's popularity rating. It sucks at home, it sucks even worse in neighbouring countries.

70%? Really.....?

and furthermore........ya don't have a shagging case about Chavez....... Particularly when ya still believe all those lies that are still circling around.

Ocean, listen to reason. You know darn well that Amnesty International and the Inter American Human Rights Commission are highly respected organizations, right? Now give me one good reason when they say that Chavez has abused his own people, you shouldn't believe these respected organizations?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Dictator Chavez abusing his own citizens ... I mean how low can you get?

don't know.........ask your fearless "leader". I mean , compare that to murdering/maiming strangers in a far off nation that posed no fecking threat to him.............and GLORIFYING the whole INVASION OF CHOICE. We is talking some serious killing here........and the bushmans finger is on the trigger.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Dictator Chavez abusing his own citizens ... I mean how low can you get?

don't know.........ask your fearless "leader". I mean , compare that to murdering/maiming strangers in a far off nation that posed no fecking threat to him.............and GLORIFYING the whole INVASION OF CHOICE. We is talking some serious killing here........and the bushmans finger is on the trigger.

btw: each time your fearless leader LIES to you ......he is abusing you, insulting your intelligence and manipulating you. Each time he uses the word threat.terror etc to scare you...........he is abusing you.

 

[Andygal]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

the Patriot act = one big long abuse of American citizens.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Ocean, listen to reason.

...........YOUR reason???? :x

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well at least here within the USA we haven't been accused by Amnesty International of Human Rights violations against our own citizens.

Yes, actually, you have. Including racial profiling, arresting and beating protestors, jailing people without charge, restricting freedom of speech, racial profiling, torture...how many do ya want me to list, Jamie?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

the Patriot act = one big long abuse of American citizens.

indeed.........and sold to the gullible as "security" ....(sheesh... )...while people have been taken from their homes at night time...... and not heard from. (TRUE......as I have a friend in NYC......who can relate several examples of this. Meanwhile the relatives have been gagged. )

and AI......has issued requests to visit the "secret US prisons".......and the US is uncooperative. Then they have the balls to say others don't cooperate. Sheesh.

 

[Nascar_James]

Dictator Chavez abusing his own citizens ... I mean how low can you get?

don't know.........ask your fearless "leader". I mean , compare that to murdering/maiming strangers in a far off nation that posed no fecking threat to him.............and GLORIFYING the whole INVASION OF CHOICE. We is talking some serious killing here........and the bushmans finger is on the trigger.

As I've stated before Ocean, there is a big difference in civilian casualties of war versus a dictator accused of human rights violations against his own people.

We are at war against the terrorists. In any war, civilian casualties will always occur. Has in the past and will in the future. It can't be helped and according to the rules of warfare (Geneva Convention), it is not illegal. What Chavez is doing is....and against his own population. Now that is an outrage. Mark my words, sooner or later, Chavez will be removed from power.

 

[Nascar_James]

Well at least here within the USA we haven't been accused by Amnesty International of Human Rights violations against our own citizens.

Yes, actually, you have. Including racial profiling, arresting and beating protestors, jailing people without charge, restricting freedom of speech, racial profiling, torture...how many do ya want me to list, Jamie?

Ahemmm ... link please...

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

the Patriot act = one big long abuse of American citizens.

Last I checked the Patriot act has helped prevent additional terrorist attacks on US soil. Furthermore, it is not illegal but rather law. Chavez on the other hand has no excuse for the charges brought against him by the respected orgainzations. He's a dictator, pure and simple and needs to be removed from power.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

You have Google, little boy. Don't force me to make you look like an idiot, AI, HRW, the Red Cross and pretty much everybody with a soul has cited your many abuses. Everybody here has seen those. They've seen your lies, obfuscations, and bullshit too. So has the rest of the world.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

We are at war against the terrorists. In any war, civilian casualties will always occur. Has in the past and will in the future. It can't be helped and according to the rules of warfare (Geneva Convention), it is not illegal. What Chavez is doing is....and against his own population. Now that is an outrage. Mark my words, sooner or later, Chavez will be removed from power

let's not get into the "war" against terrorist thing...........as the wars have had little to do with terrorism and only fostered the potential for more.. ....... that is just the bush propaganda.

What is an OUTRAGE is that people like yourself would support a lier, thief and murder as a leader. What is an outrage is that so many can be duped .....into believing a load of mallarchy.


keep this up and soon you will be invading Venezuela for a regime change. There is NO nation on this planet that is as greedy and in such fascination with power and KILLING. This is how low the US has sunk........totally uncivilized. You sure don't see Spain in some 'war on terrorism"..........they know the difference between war (as in aggressive invasion) and a terrorist attack. T.Blair being the bush lap dog .......is just using the same vernacular his buddy in the fright house is............which does not say much for Tony.

 

[Andygal]

Last I checked the Patriot act has helped prevent additional terrorist attacks on US soil. Furthermore, it is not illegal but rather law. Chavez on the other hand has no excuse for the charges brought against him by the respected orgainzations. He's a dictator, pure and simple and needs to be removed from power.

The patriot act allows the government to access your personal information without needing any specfic reason and to search your home without asking your permission or even telling you.

This is a clear violation of basic legal principles and rights

Here is a site with more information. It can be found easily by googling "Patriot act"

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207

 

[Ocean Breeze]

He's a dictator, pure and simple and needs to be removed from power.

And so is BUSH........except he disguises it under a different language..........called the bushtongue.

Bush is a hell of a lot more dangerous than Chevaz can ever be.

btw: do you know something we don't??? When is bushregime invading Venezuela???

Whatever happened to the word PEACE?? and peaceful solutions to problems.??

and what is this power trip ya got going on about doing regime changes in other nations??? Do you recall bush LYING about not being into regime changes ........and get this.....because it was illegal????? He really is a horse patoot. (so there. :wink:

Most NB........it is NOT up to the u.s. to decide things for /in another nation. GET it???

 

[GL Schmitt]

I am beginning to develop a moronic fondness for NASCAR_JAMES posts.

With one obvious exception, reading them is not unlike watching real NASCAR.

At the track rednecks can watch good old boys race their cars in sempiternal circles, always turning left.

Except for his direction, Jimbo's post do the same.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

:roll:, Nascar, At the risk of repeating myself, here's what those respected organisations have to say about the US:

"The blatant disregard for international human rights and humanitarian law in the “war on terror” continued to make a mockery of President George Bush’s claims that the USA was the global champion of human rights. Images of detainees in US custody tortured in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq shocked the world. War crimes in Iraq, and mounting evidence of the torture and ill-treatment of detainees in US custody in other countries, sent an unequivocal message to the world that human rights may be sacrificed ostensibly in the name of security.

President Bush’s refusal to apply the Geneva Conventions to those captured during the international armed conflict in Afghanistan and transferred to the US naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, was challenged by a judicial decision in November. The ruling resulted in the suspension of trials by military commission in Guantánamo, and the government immediately lodged an appeal. The US administration’s treatment of detainees in the “war on terror” continued to display a marked ambivalence to the opinion of expert bodies such as the International Committee of the Red Cross and even of its own highest judicial body. Six months after the Supreme Court ruled that the federal courts had jurisdiction over the Guantánamo detainees, none had appeared in court. Detainees reportedly considered of high intelligence value remained in secret detention in undisclosed locations. In some cases their situation amounted to “disappearance”'.


Amnesty International Report 2005 - United States of America

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

He won't read it, Henry. Showing him proof and links and pictures and quotes won't do any good. There have been many links put up on this site about the USA's human rights abuses, including one to HRW's 58 pages on the subject. Nascar Nero keeps making the same old claims though.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

He won't read it, Henry. Showing him proof and links and pictures and quotes won't do any good. There have been many links put up on this site about the USA's human rights abuses, including one to HRW's 58 pages on the subject. Nascar Nero keeps making the same old claims though.

No one has answered my question Rev and as such I will not engage in answering any related questions on my behalf. Here was my question ... (see my post on the prior page). Give me one good reason when Amnesty International, the Inter American Human Rights Commission and the UN say that Chavez has abused his own people, you shouldn't believe these respected organizations?

No one has been able to give me an answer...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

You haven't been paying attention, James. Venezuela has a better human rights record under Chavez than it did when the people you support were leading it. Chavez has a better humna rights record than George Bush.

The question is why you think you can point at any other country on the planet and complain about human rights abuses when your country tortures people on a daily basis.

 

[peapod]

Nascar, give us an answer, we are waiting!

Give me one good reason when Amnesty International, the Inter American Human Rights Commission and the UN say that the US has over a 1000 records of abuse againist human rights. you shouldn't believe these respected organizations?