Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar
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We are most certainly tolerant stink, sorry I mean think, we will be the first one to fight for you and jay's right to be together power to da people.
I think not said:
see what I mean?? You just gotta put some damned LABEL on it as otherwise communication seems to be a challenge. :roll:
Ocean Breeze said:
It saves alot of repetition OB, neo-left to me is the exact opposite of a neo-con. Something that this board has plenty of. Alot of you are just the opposite side of the spectrum, what's so shocking about that? :lol:
Even if that was true think, you do not see "neo lefties" killing and bringing nothing but misery to other people lives. You do not see "neo lefties" undermining science and basic human rights.
I support him for taking a stance against the illegal invasion of Iraq.
You seem desperate to drag this thread back off topic though.
Your only reason for going after Galloway is because he pointed out that your government is full of hypocritical liars. You keep bringing him up here because you hope to turn those Canadians that listened to what he had to say against him. What you are too small-minded to understand is that we don't immediately cry like babies and try to frame people when they offer valid criticisms of our government.
Have you read any of the links I put up on Chavez though, ITN? Of course not...you never do. I'll give you the Coles Notes version...Chavez is a better leader than George Bush and a better leader than those that George Bush would put in control of Venezuela.
...AND The coveted "Understatement of the Century Award" goes to....
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Reverend Blair!!!!!!
for this little gem:
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...wait for it...
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Reverend Blair!!!!!!
for this little gem:
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Perhaps Chavez and Bush are two lonely players on the stage, the world but a prop for their solopsism, grand ideas but a toy to aggrandize their ego.
Does one benefit their people more than the other?
Well, you could argue they are on a par, since the entitlement programs of medicare in America far outdistance the money Chavez has shared with his people. The billions in pork projects and government spending on redistributing the wealth in America make every effort Chavez bloviates about a mere puny pipsqueak.
The huge numbers defy the love affair many have with Chavez.
But let the love affair continue.
America needs to stay out of it.
Does one benefit their people more than the other?
Well, you could argue they are on a par, since the entitlement programs of medicare in America far outdistance the money Chavez has shared with his people. The billions in pork projects and government spending on redistributing the wealth in America make every effort Chavez bloviates about a mere puny pipsqueak.
The huge numbers defy the love affair many have with Chavez.
But let the love affair continue.
America needs to stay out of it.
Isn't it fascinating Reverend Blair that even though your point is true, the irony of the bigger capitalist pie is that it spreads more wealth distribution than any LittleMe Castro could ever hope to accomplish?
Irony.
It's what's for dinner.
Irony.
It's what's for dinner.
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
Not really, Jimmy. Most of your social programs were created under governments that the Bush supporters routinely denigrate as communists and socialists and, what the Bushites think is the worst epithet of all, Liberals.
Bush, and US leaders since Reagan, have been working to deconstruct the programs on which your poor depend and have been devaluing the wages and lifestyles of your working and middle class to distribute the wealth into the hands of a few.
The US has long preferred that form of wealth distribution in the developing world...first from the workers to the despots your government installed as puppets then, through that, from the poor countries back to the wealthy USA. It is only in the last 25 years that you have begun forcing that model on Americans though.
Much of the popularity that Chavez enjoys comes from his willingness to redistribute the wealth equitably. The US could use just such a leader right now and if one were to come along and was able to get his message out, I suspect that you'd see a lot of Americans joining the Bolivarian Revolution.
Not really, Jimmy. Most of your social programs were created under governments that the Bush supporters routinely denigrate as communists and socialists and, what the Bushites think is the worst epithet of all, Liberals.
Bush, and US leaders since Reagan, have been working to deconstruct the programs on which your poor depend and have been devaluing the wages and lifestyles of your working and middle class to distribute the wealth into the hands of a few.
The US has long preferred that form of wealth distribution in the developing world...first from the workers to the despots your government installed as puppets then, through that, from the poor countries back to the wealthy USA. It is only in the last 25 years that you have begun forcing that model on Americans though.
Much of the popularity that Chavez enjoys comes from his willingness to redistribute the wealth equitably. The US could use just such a leader right now and if one were to come along and was able to get his message out, I suspect that you'd see a lot of Americans joining the Bolivarian Revolution.
The capitalist economic pie is so much bigger than any other system mankind could create.
Even despite all the inequities, all the evils, and all its bumbling accidents, the capitalist pie still is so much larger than your average mini-me Castro.
Stupendously geometrically gargantuan.
World trade does more to achieve income distribution than the piddly sums liberal nations brag about distributing.
Just look at what trade has done for China?
You think your vaunted foreign aid could have done that?
You think Chavez could transform Venezuela like that?
Investment is leaving his country and therefore less wealth to redistribute.
Even despite all the inequities, all the evils, and all its bumbling accidents, the capitalist pie still is so much larger than your average mini-me Castro.
Stupendously geometrically gargantuan.
World trade does more to achieve income distribution than the piddly sums liberal nations brag about distributing.
Just look at what trade has done for China?
You think your vaunted foreign aid could have done that?
You think Chavez could transform Venezuela like that?
Investment is leaving his country and therefore less wealth to redistribute.
True, but in capitalism, money (or more accurately) capital flows always from the poor to the rich, rarely, if ever, in the opposite direction. Socialism is about reversing this trend. Thus, although the mean size of the pie is huge in capitalism, the median is vanishingly small. The higher median in societies tempered by socialism ensures that more people get a reasonable share, though it reduces the size of the biggest pieces. Also, the "wealth" of our current global economic system is increasingly fictional, representing share prices in the virtual world of equity exchanges, rather than tangible sources of wealth (i.e. raw materials, manufactured goods, water, etc,). Most financial transactions create nothing and benefit no-one except non-producers.
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
Chavez has been transforming Venezuela. He is doing it by instituting a lot of the same kinds of programs that helped the US to prosper in the first place. Your country got wealthy by protecting and nurturing domestic industries while making sure that the working and middle classes prospered, Jim. Your country got wealthy by making sure that the poor had an opportunity to advance.
Your country is failing now that you have abandoned those principles.
The false doctrine of unfettered capitalism is relatively recent and transfers wealth to those who are already wealthy from those who are already struggling. All the wealth on earth doesn't matter if people are starving in your midst.
The supposition that Chavez is against trade or even business is demonstrably untrue...a fallacy promoted by his detractors. He welcomes business. He does not put corporate profits before the needs of the Venezuelan people though.
Chavez has been transforming Venezuela. He is doing it by instituting a lot of the same kinds of programs that helped the US to prosper in the first place. Your country got wealthy by protecting and nurturing domestic industries while making sure that the working and middle classes prospered, Jim. Your country got wealthy by making sure that the poor had an opportunity to advance.
Your country is failing now that you have abandoned those principles.
The false doctrine of unfettered capitalism is relatively recent and transfers wealth to those who are already wealthy from those who are already struggling. All the wealth on earth doesn't matter if people are starving in your midst.
The supposition that Chavez is against trade or even business is demonstrably untrue...a fallacy promoted by his detractors. He welcomes business. He does not put corporate profits before the needs of the Venezuelan people though.