Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

[jimmoyer]

Actually there is no supposition about Chavez.

It's the business community that does not feel its investment is safe there. Chavez has to woo them with guarrantees or investment will continue to leave that country.

Your focus on the inequities of capitalism blinds you.

In the overall larger picture, more and more people have more wealth than at any other time in world history.

Look at the vastness of China, and you will see great inequity but also you will see a larger group wealthier than ever before.

You will continue always to see the wealthy get wealthier in whatever you or your favorite Philosopher King creates.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Business has been grumbling about leaving Venezuela for years, but they've stuck around because they were making a profit. It isn't as large a profit as they would like, so they keep grumbling, but there they are.

What capital flees most is instability. We saw that in Argentina when the armoured cars emptied out the banks and headed for the airports. The situation in Argentina is more likely to be repeated under those who are trying to remove Chavez from power than it is under Chavez.

 

[Canucklehead]

OMG, Just LOOK at what that bastard is up to now.... how DARE he! :roll:

Venezuela gives US cheap oil deal
A woman in Massachusetts wears a T-shirt of Hugo Chavez as an oil deal is signed
The deal will help tens of thousands of poorer Massachusetts residents
Officials from Venezuela and Massachusetts have signed a deal providing cheap heating oil to low-income homes in the US state.

The fuel will be sold at some 40% below market prices to thousands of homes over the winter months.

Local congressman William Delahunt described the deal as "an expression of humanitarianism at its very best".

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez is one of the Bush administration's biggest adversaries in Latin America.

He first announced his plan to provide cheap heating oil directly to lower-income Americans while visiting Cuba in August.

'About people'

The deal involves shipping some 45m litres of heating oil from Venezuela to Massachusetts at a discounted rate via Citgo Petroleum, a US-based subsidiary of the Venezuelan state owned oil company.

At a signing ceremony in Massachusetts, Mr Delahunt - a Democrat who helped broker the deal - rejected suggestions that it was politically motivated.

"This is a gesture about people," the Associated Press news agency quotes him as saying.

"It has nothing to do, as far as I'm concerned, with anything between the Bush administration and the Chavez administration."

Talks are under way to agree a similar deal to provide discounted heating oil from Venezuela to low-income residents in New York's Bronx district.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

The Bolivarian Revolution comes to Boston. Maybe they'll throw a tea party for King George. ;-)

 

[Jay]

"At a signing ceremony in Massachusetts, Mr Delahunt - a Democrat who helped broker the deal - rejected suggestions that it was politically motivated."

Of coarse it isn't political. I mean it's not as if the Presidents of both countries are locked in a war of words about ideology or anything. Not to mention any electioneering that is going on in the background.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

The Bush administration continues to allow the importation of Venezuelan oil, Jay. Why shouldn't Delahunt accept a deal that helps the poor in his state?

 

[Jay]

I didn't say he shouldn't....I didn't even hint at it.

I did hint there is politics going on...

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Chavez is definately going to get brownie points from U.S. citizens now that the offer has been signed, sealed, and delivered... he's be very smart, though, to try a deal or two like this is in 'red' states if he really wants to win the P.R. battle and rub Bush's nose in it. As it is, Bush must have blown a gasket when he saw that woman (notice no names hmm) wearing that t-shirt on U.S. soil. muhahaha

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Is providing for the poor nothing but politics to you, Jay?

I'm going to have to track down one of those shirts, Canucklehead.

 

[pastafarian]

I'm going to have to track down one of those shirts, Canucklehead

Hey Rev, if you track one down, let us know where, k?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Is providing for the poor nothing but politics to you, Jay?

What is happening there is politics....sorta the same kinda thing you're doing right now.

I think Canucklehead understands what I'm saying if you don't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

I understand what you're saying, Jay. I also understand that if Bush would have stepped in and said that it couldn't go ahead, you'd be cheering him on.

The fact is that Chavez has a very good record of providing for the poor in Venezuela and in other countries. If he plays politics while he's doing that, good for him.

Your immediate and only response is that it's just politics though, and that doesn't fit the record that Chavez has.

 

[peapod]

Well rev, since you sent me a shitload of good music, consider the viva la revolution T shirt flying your way 8) Course you know our bigh wears one 8)
Canucklehead...where the hell did you get your mojo :wink:

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

I may..or may not, Jay.

My take is that there is undoubtedly politics at play here. I mean, what better way to best an opponent than on their home turf, right? MA and NY sure aren't going to refuse cheap oil since it, in theory, will free up more $$ to feed the local economies, help the downtrodden and make 'em look like heroes to the general public. And, hey, if they can get a good jab in at Bush/neocon administration then it's icing on the cake.

Regardless of the politics at play, I am sure there will be thousands of people this winter who will be thanking both Chavez and their own politicians.

 

[Canucklehead]

Well rev, since you sent me a shitload of good music, consider the viva la revolution T shirt flying your way 8) Course you know our bigh wears one 8)
Canucklehead...where the hell did you get your mojo :wink:

Is that what that was in the couch cushions while I was searching for tip $$ for the pizza guy?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well rev, since you sent me a shitload of good music, consider the viva la revolution T shirt flying your way

Thank ya, pea...I was afraid I was going to have to go down to the over-priced headshop. They carry that kind of thing, but the people there are kind of odd. I think they might smoke drugs. 8O :lol:

 

[peapod]

Well I don't have to visit a head shop revski, they sell them on the streets here..but ya know we islanders lean to da left 8) :wink:

 

[pastafarian]

He is twice the man "W" will ever be.

Only twice? Hmmm. Perhaps I'd better rethink my admiration for him. :wink:

Nascar, these missionaries say chavez was lying about why he expelled them. Any missionaries I've ever met who could actually identify the truth, rarely trusted it enough to use it in place of their indoctrination.

 

[Nascar_James]

He is twice the man "W" will ever be.

Only twice? Hmmm. Perhaps I'd better rethink my admiration for him. :wink:

Nascar, these missionaries say chavez was lying about why he expelled them. Any missionaries I've ever met who could actually identify the truth, rarely trusted it enough to use it in place of their indoctrination.

Not only the missionaries. If you go over the initial post, you'll see that the Native Venezuelans also denounced Chavez for lying on their behalf. He did not speak for them so he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

[no1important]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

I meant 10000 times the man "W" will ever be as "W" is nothing more than a coward.