Chavez: Here Comes Socialism

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LG I couldn't agree with you more. But to some of these folks Chavez is the Beacon of Light.

The guy is a thug.

The Greatest Leader in the World today! C'mon... have these folks truly lost their minds? What makes him a great leader... because he hates the USA?!

I disdain most politicians, both dems and the GOP. The GOP got their butts kicked out of the house and they DESERVED it. They did nothing in the past few years.

Now the "dog has caught the car" and he might not know what to do with it.
 
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Actually I believe Chavez's popular support increased in the last election.

If Americans don't like Chavez then they don't have to vote for him.
 
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earth_as_one said:
Actually I believe Chavez's popular support increased in the last election.

If Americans don't like Chavez then they don't have to vote for him.
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Chavez may not be an angel but he has majority support in his country. What he chooses to do there with the knowledge and consent of his populace is his and their business. Not ours.
 
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EagleSmack said:
LG I couldn't agree with you more. But to some of these folks Chavez is the Beacon of Light.
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Hitler was thought of that way by some.
The guy is a thug.
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A power hungry one, at that.

The Greatest Leader in the World today! C'mon... have these folks truly lost their minds? What makes him a great leader... because he hates the USA?!
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Apparently that's enough of a reason for some.
 
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The bottom line is this folks... Chavez is Anti-American and that is A-OK by some folks regardless of how many private companies he seizes, and regardless of how many civil rights he squashes and takes away.

As long as he speaks out against America he should be fine no matter what.

Chavez is turning out to be a typical Latin American Dictator even if he now wears his sash on his left shoulder. He is extending his executive powers and increasing government control over more and more. The oil will only carry him so far and when his people remain poor they will start speaking out. That is when the army will come in to squash the so called "PRO AMERICAN" trouble makers.

Mark it.
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If Chavez is anti-American, then explain this:

Chavez Boosts Heating Oil Program for U.S. Poor; Goes After Bush Again
By IAN JAMES
Associated Press
Thursday, September 21, 2006

...Chavez also called Bush's policies in Iraq criminal, adding he hopes Americans will before long "awaken" and elect a better president. The Venezuelan said that while he opposes Bush, the American people "are our friends."...

...Chavez also announced that Citgo, the U.S.-based refining arm of Venezuela's state-run oil company, plans to more than double the amount of heating oil it is making available under the program to 100 million gallons this winter, up from 40 million gallons.

He said the oil will reach people in 18 states...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101163.html
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The above doesn't seem like the actions of someone who is anti-American. Sounds more like he is anti-American foreign policy.

As far as I know Chavez hasn't "seized" any corporations yet. Its more likely that Chavez intends to buy control of corporations.
 
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earth_as_one said:
If Chavez is anti-American, then explain this:



The above doesn't seem like the actions of someone who is anti-American. Sounds more like he is anti-American foreign policy.

As far as I know Chavez hasn't "seized" any corporations yet. Its more likely that Chavez intends to buy control of corporations.
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Are you kidding? You actually need someone to explain what Chavez is doing by trying to pimp out his oil?

He made the same offer to the Alaskans and they told him he could use the oil to lube his head so that it might easily get into his own posterior.

He's no better or smarter than Iran's Imadinnerjacket for trying to appeal to the "noble" American people. If they were smart they would know that you can't come to New York and blast AMERICA, then expect us to just shrug our shoulders and say,(Gomer Pylesque)"Gollygee!He shore is a smart fella!" Their speeches are eloquent to be sure. I'm sure they rank right up there with the best of speeches given by Hitler, Pol Pot, and other world ruler wanna-be's.

Unfortunately for them, it takes more than pretty words and meaningless handouts to pull one over on the people running the U.S.

Tell me, will universal health care cover the bullet wound to the back of a dissenters head when he speaks out against something he doesn't like about a totalitarian Socialist government?
 
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earth_as_one said:
If Chavez is anti-American, then explain this:



The above doesn't seem like the actions of someone who is anti-American. Sounds more like he is anti-American foreign policy.

As far as I know Chavez hasn't "seized" any corporations yet. Its more likely that Chavez intends to buy control of corporations.
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That is just a token hand out to garner support and attack the US Govt. He hates the USA. Whenever you have freaks like Belefonte and Danny Glover and the rest of the Hollywood elite fawning over you... you have reached the ZENIETH of hatred of the US.

Chavez buy out private owned businesses! Don't make me laugh. He has already seized cattle farms and certain businesses from people in the name of Socialism. He plans to do more. Those are his words. He will take businesses as it will promote his policies which includes taking more power from the people and putting it in his hands.
 
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I wouldn't consider subsidizing 100,000,000 gallons of heating oil a token amount, especially since neither Bush nor Cheney have not offered to subsidize even a single gallon of heating oil for the poor.

If this is an example of an attack on the American government, then I say "Bring 'em on". I am not afraid of Venezuelan oil tankers loaded with subsidized heating oil for the poor.

Bush could learn a lesson or two from Chavez about how to attack other governments.
 
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The only examples I can find of outright farm seizures in Venezuela were when the owners were convicted of using their land to smuggle drugs.

Parts of some farms were seized when the ownership was unclear. In those cases the government only seized the unused parts. The landowners did not loose any land they were currently using. The landowners can challenge the siezure in court and if they are able to prove they actually owned the land, then they will be compensated.

...The recent government interventions, despite all the mass media hype about the violation of private property, have shown what the real purpose of the land reform is. Rather than denying the right to private property, in many ways the government has extended it to large numbers of poor people, those who have never had any productive property.

The government has made it clear that anyone who can prove their legal title to the land they claim will not have it confiscated. In the case of lands that have been confiscated so far, none of the so-called owners have been able to prove their legal title to the land. In many cases, these were large tracts of state-owned land that were occupied by and then passed down along the family line but never legally acquired.

In cases where land ownership can be proven, the government has repeatedly stated its willingness to negotiate with the landholder to discuss how they can work together to increase production...

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2161.cfm
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I'm not saying I agree with this. Just clarifying Venzuela's land reform policies.
 
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I was reserving judgement until I knew the terms under which Chavez intended to nationalize.

The news portrays Chavez's plans to nationalize CANTV as unfair. But its hard to say. If Venezuela pays less for the company to compensate for the company not paying employee pensions as they should have, then that would be fair.

I'm still reserving judgement.
 
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