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One must have asked oneself, I'm quite sure, whether one changes at all. I know that outward circumstances change; we marry, divorce, have children; there is death, a better job, the pressure of new inventions, and so on. Outwardly there is a tremendous revolution going on in cybernetics and automation. One must have asked oneself whether it is at all possible for one to change at all, not in relation to outward events, not a change that is a mere repetition or a modified continuity, but a radical revolution, a total mutation of the mind. When one realizes, as one must have noticed within oneself, that actually one doesn't change, one gets terribly depressed, or one escapes from oneself. So the inevitable question arises: can there be change at all? We go back to a period when we were young, and that comes back to us again. Is there change at all in human beings? Have you changed at all? Perhaps there has been a modification on the periphery, but deeply, radically, have you changed? Perhaps we do not want to change because we are fairly comfortable.…
But I want to change! I see that I am terribly unhappy, depressed, ugly, violent, with an occasional flash of something other than the mere result of a motive; and I exercise my will to do something about it. I say I must be different, I must drop this habit, that habit; I must think differently; I must act in a different way; I must be more this and less that. One makes a tremendous effort and at the end of it one is still shoddy, depressed, ugly, brutal, without any sense of quality. So one then asks oneself if there is change at all. Can a human being change?"
 

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Yes.

Change is possible, you just have to want, or need it badly enough.

I will use, for example, religious conversion which has changed the lives, and the character of millions.

Closer to home, I once had to change.......or lose my marriage. I mean some rather radical changes in my behaviour, and in the way I looked at things. I did so, and almost 20 years later she is still around.

The hardest part of change, and a necessary component, is to see yourself as you actually are.......good and bad. Now I can't believe it was the same person that did some of the things I did before the change..........at the time I wouldn't have thought there was anything wrong with me.

Why are you feeling aggressive, depressed, angry, useless? What part of your character causes these reactions?

Isolate these feelings, these reactions, and literally picture tossing them out of your head. Tell yourself they are unacceptable, and they are dangerous to you.

Throw them out.

It takes time, but basic change is possible.

Good luck, and good night, I'm off to bed.
 

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Hi Colpy , You have changed your ideas, you have changed your thought, but thought is always conditioned. Whether it is the thought of Jesus, Buddha, X, Y, or Z, it is still thought, and therefore one thought can be in opposition to another thought; and when there is opposition, a conflict between two thoughts, the result is a modified continuity of thought. In other words, the change is still within the field of thought, and change within the field of thought is no change at all. One idea or set of ideas has merely been substituted for another.Seeing this whole process, is it possible to leave thought and bring about a change outside the field of thought? All consciousness, surely, whether it is of the past, the present, or the future, is within the field of thought; and any change within that field, which sets the boundaries of the mind, is no real change. A radical change can take place only outside the field of thought, not within it, and the mind can leave the field only when it sees the confines, the boundaries of the field, and realizes that any change within the field is no change at all. And that my dear friend is just a part of meditation
Thanks for the post Colpy," and "have sweet dreams".......(chinese for good night)
 
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Curiosity

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Absolutely yes - I've had the pleasure of walking the walk of change with hundreds of people.... it is a beautiful thing to witness..... to see people opening up to the gifts they were meant to have and able to accept them.

HooRaw Colpy

Good on you for your decision.
 

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How to Change Your Life



Can people really change? We tend to assume that circumstances change easily and often, but that people change rarely, slowly, and with great difficulty. But these assumptions are wrong.
The truth is that people can change easily and instantly. The real problem is that they also change back just as easily!
Meanwhile, the circumstances of our lives change slowly in comparison. If you're fifty pounds overweight, and you just changed your eating habits, it's going to take a while before the change in your habits shows up on your body. And if you decide that your new habits aren't helping, you just might change them back! Meanwhile, your friends are telling themselves, "Yep, like I always say, people just don't change."
Hogwash! People do change. But there's a time lag before the changes show up in their lives, and in the meantime, they can also change back!
So if you want to change your life, you need to do three things:
  • Focus on changing your actions, not your circumstances
  • Accept and plan for your weaknesses, instead of toughing it out
  • Periodically review your results to fine-tune or re-think your approach if needed
I could probably write a book on each of these three things, especially the second one. And in fact, I'm working on a course (called Get Ready to Change) that will include quite a few lessons on these subjects. For today, however, I'm going to just hit a few highlights from the first topic above.
Change Your Actions, Not Your Circumstances

Focusing on results is a losing game in two ways. First, it's discouraging, because you're not going to lose fifty pounds in a day. You're probably not going to clean years of trash accumulation from your garage or house in an hour or two. Really worthwhile changes take time.
Second, focusing on results makes you want to take rash shortcuts. Shortcuts like using diet pills when you should be changing your eating and exercise habits, or like indulging in a fit of "spring cleaning" that sucks up all your time and still doesn't get the job done. These intensive efforts throw your life out of balance: they use up all your focus and willpower long before you can "finish" the results you want, and do nothing to fix the real problem: a lack of positive habits in the relevant area.
So the key question to ask is this: what habits do I need, in order to have the results I want as a natural consequence? Remember, life is every moment. The conditions you have in your life are the result of the choices you make -- and the actions you take -- in every moment. Take care of your habits now, and they'll take care of you later.
But don't get the wrong idea: you don't need to instantly start working out for an hour a day or do marathon housecleaning sessions every weekend. What you want to do is work with the smallest possible actions first. Substitute one food. Pick up or put away one thing. Why? Because this will actually build a habit faster than more intensive efforts will!
Here's the thing: a habit is something you do automatically. To do it automatically, it has to be unconscious. So, you have to teach your unconscious mind to do it. That means it has to be simple.
Now, I'm not saying you can't teach your unconscious to do complex things. It's just that complex things are made of simple pieces.
The Slow, Fast Way

Consider house-cleaning, for example. Over the last week or two, I've been working on developing habits to keep the house neat. One of those habits is just throwing away tissues that didn't quite make it to the trash can when I threw them in that direction. Another habit is picking up individual dishes that Leslie or I have left in other parts of the house, and taking them to the kitchen. Another one is processing a few pieces of unopened mail each day.
These are all very simple habits. Collectively, they make up a small portion of the total number of habits that I will need in order to eventually keep the house as nice as I would like it to be. It will probably take a considerable amount of time to develop all the necessary habits. However, I'm already starting to notice improvements in the condition of the house, and that's a strong positive reinforcement for the habits.
Now, let's contrast that with what I used to do. I used to go on periodic cleaning binges, trying to clean a particular area of the house. I would spend an awful lot of time and conscious effort, and in the end, I would have a clean room or rooms... which would within a week or two be well on its way to looking the same as it did before! So I invested a lot of focused effort and got a result, but not a change in my ongoing actions.
You see, focus is a limited resource. It's almost as if we are all handed a certain number of "focus points" each day that we can choose to spend as we wish. Anything that requires conscious attention uses up focus points, so just living your normal life uses up most of your focus. If you then want to also change something in your life, you will need to borrow or steal the necessary focus points from other things.
But if you try to make too big of a change in too short a period of time, you won't have enough focus left over for living your normal life. Soon, other things in your life will demand your attention again, and since you feel like you at least "made some progress" with your big push at change, it won't seem quite so important to keep pushing your new change forward. Surely, you think, you can let it go for a day or two...
And that, of course, is where the backsliding starts.
 

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You cant ask anyone to change his/her life as per your style untill unless you show them path with light and the BIG picture at the end of the road
 

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You cant ask anyone to change his/her life as per your style untill unless you show them path with light and the BIG picture at the end of the road

Vinod

I disagree - successful change with the "lighted path and BIG picture at the end of the road" can only be brought about with the individual visualizing the successful result on his or her own.

Nobody can be led to change.

They have to create the image themselves and the desire to make it happen.
 

Curiosity

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Vinod

Thank you.

It starts with someone opening up stating their dissatisfaction with their life as it is.....

One can help by asking that person to describe their goals, what they want, what is missing, where is their nirvana and when they are old and filled with memories, what would they want those memories to be?

We can only help a person open up his or her own mind to their individual dreams and desires...for that is where the choice lies. Within themselves.

Once the dream has been roughly established, a goal set in small tiny pieces, then the walk begins, and a friend can walk beside and prop up and give a smile and care.....but the journey is again what I always call a solo flight.... which to me is "life itself".
 

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What I believe even god help them who wants to help them selves so if you are trying to help a person who is not ready for change or has no hope from his life can we change this person , or can we convince the person to live who has lost or do not want to live any more in this world , answer to my own question is NO , you can not , what you say....
 

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One must have asked oneself, I'm quite sure, whether one changes at all. I know that outward circumstances change; we marry, divorce, have children; there is death, a better job, the pressure of new inventions, and so on. Outwardly there is a tremendous revolution going on in cybernetics and automation. One must have asked oneself whether it is at all possible for one to change at all, not in relation to outward events, not a change that is a mere repetition or a modified continuity, but a radical revolution, a total mutation of the mind. When one realizes, as one must have noticed within oneself, that actually one doesn't change, one gets terribly depressed, or one escapes from oneself. So the inevitable question arises: can there be change at all? We go back to a period when we were young, and that comes back to us again. Is there change at all in human beings? Have you changed at all? Perhaps there has been a modification on the periphery, but deeply, radically, have you changed? Perhaps we do not want to change because we are fairly comfortable.…
But I want to change! I see that I am terribly unhappy, depressed, ugly, violent, with an occasional flash of something other than the mere result of a motive; and I exercise my will to do something about it. I say I must be different, I must drop this habit, that habit; I must think differently; I must act in a different way; I must be more this and less that. One makes a tremendous effort and at the end of it one is still shoddy, depressed, ugly, brutal, without any sense of quality. So one then asks oneself if there is change at all. Can a human being change?"

Evolution....Linear Thinking to Lateral thinking and all that is to be learned...Take your time because experential learning is just as important as developing your mind. The objective is wisdom.
 

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Vinod

Thank you.

It starts with someone opening up stating their dissatisfaction with their life as it is.....

One can help by asking that person to describe their goals, what they want, what is missing, where is their nirvana and when they are old and filled with memories, what would they want those memories to be?

We can only help a person open up his or her own mind to their individual dreams and desires...for that is where the choice lies. Within themselves.

Once the dream has been roughly established, a goal set in small tiny pieces, then the walk begins, and a friend can walk beside and prop up and give a smile and care.....but the journey is again what I always call a solo flight.... which to me is "life itself".


So what you have to say to my last post...
 

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Curiosity :
........opening up to the gifts they were meant to have and able to accept them.

Yes,though I think freely accepting the "gifts" would be very difficult .
 

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5 Rules of Change

1: ALL BEHAVIORS ARE COMPLEX
Recent and ongoing research by psychologist James O. Prochaska, Ph.D., an internationally renowned expert on planned change, has repeatedly found that change occurs in stages. To increase the overall probability of success, divide a behavior into parts and learn each part successively.
* Strategy: Break down the behavior
Almost all behaviors can be broken down. Separate your desired behavior into smaller, self-contained units.
He wanted to be on time for work, so he wrote down what that would entail: waking up, showering, dressing, preparing breakfast, eating, driving, parking and buying coffee--all before 9 a.m.
2: CHANGE IS FRIGHTENING
We resist change, but fear of the unknown can result in clinging to status quo behaviors--no matter how bad they are.
* Strategy: Examine the consequences
Compare all possible consequences of both your status quo and desired behaviors. If there are more positive results associated with the new behavior, your fears of the unknown are unwarranted.
If he didn't become more punctual, the next thing he'd be late for is the unemployment office. There was definitely a greater benefit to changing than to not changing.
* Strategy: Prepare your observers
New behaviors can frighten the people observing them, so introduce them slowly.
Becoming timely overnight would make co-workers suspicious. He started arriving by 9 a.m. only on important days.
* Strategy: Be realistic
Unrealistic goals increase fear. Fear increases the probability of failure.
Mornings found him sluggish, so he began preparing the night before and doubled his morning time.
3: CHANGE MUST BE POSITIVE
As B.F. Skinner's early research demonstrates, reinforcement--not Punishment--is necessary for permanent change. Reinforcement can be intrinsic, extrinsic or extraneous. According to Carol Sansone, Ph.D., a psychology professor at the University of Utah, one type of reinforcement must be present for self-change, two would be better than one, and three would be best.
* Strategy: Enjoy the act
Intrinsic reinforcement occurs when the act is reinforcing.
He loved dressing well. Seeing his clothes laid out at night was a joyful experience.
* Strategy: Admire the outcome
An act doesn't have to be enjoyable when the end result is extrinsically reinforcing. For instance, I hate cleaning my kitchen, but I do it because I like the sight of a clean kitchen.
After dressing, he looked in the mirror and enjoyed the payoff from his evening preparation: He looked impeccable.
* Strategy: Reward yourself
Extraneous reinforcement isn't directly connected to the act or its completion. A worker may despise his manufacturing job but will continue working for a good paycheck.
Whenever he met his target, he put $20 into his Hawaii vacation fund.
4: BEING IS EASIER THAN BECOMING
In my karate class of 20 students, the instructor yelled, "No pain, no gain," amid grueling instructions. After four weeks, only three students remained. Uncomfortable change becomes punishing, and rational people don't continue activities that are more painful than they are rewarding.
* Strategy: Take baby steps
In one San Francisco State University study, researchers found that participants were more successful when their goals were gradually approximated. Write down the behavior you want to change. Then to the right, write your goal. Draw four lines between the two and write a progressive step on each that takes you closer to your goal.
The first week, he would arrive by 9:20 a.m., then five minutes earlier each subsequent week until he achieved his goal.
* Strategy: Simplify the process
Methods of changing are often unnecessarily complicated and frenetic. Through simplicity, clarity arises.
Instead of waiting in line at Starbucks, he would buy coffee in his office building.
* Strategy: Prepare for problems
Perfect worlds don't exist, and neither do perfect learning situations. Pamela Dunston, Ph.D., of Clemson University, found cueing to be an effective strategy.
His alarm clock failed to rouse him, so for the first month he'd use a telephone wake-up service.
5: SLOWER IS BETTER
Everything has its own natural speed; when altered, unpleasant things happen. Change is most effective when it occurs slowly, allowing behaviors to become automatic.
 

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What I believe even god help them who wants to help them selves so if you are trying to help a person who is not ready for change or has no hope from his life can we change this person , or can we convince the person to live who has lost or do not want to live any more in this world , answer to my own question is NO , you can not , what you say....

Vinod

You have completely misread my post and then created your own scenario of what my intention was.

I believe nobody can effect actual change in another - it is a solo flight - an individual decision - and all we can do is walk with them - and be their friend. Change comes about when an individual decides on it.

I have no idea where you got your misinterpretation of what I wrote.... unless you read your own opinions into everything people write.

Whether god has anything to do with change is not an area which I feel capable of discussing.
 

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You have completely misread my post and then created your own scenario of what my intention was.

I believe nobody can effect actual change in another - it is a solo flight - an individual decision - and all we can do is walk with them - and be their friend. Change comes about when an individual decides on it.

I have no idea where you got your misinterpretation of what I wrote.... unless you read your own opinions into everything people write.

Whether god has anything to do with change is not an area which I feel capable of discussing.

And even if God starts a change, He can't do it unless the individual wants to change, so that goes to your point as well. We are not puppets. Nobody can truly make you do anything you don't want to do
 

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And even if God starts a change, He can't do it unless the individual wants to change, so that goes to your point as well. We are not puppets. Nobody can truly make you do anything you don't want to do


Which goes against the age old BS"I didn't want to do.... but he or she made me do it." I hate it when my kids used that line, and hate it more whena dults blame their problems on other people. Especially if the issues was something that happened when one was a child, there just comes a point when one has to say "grow up and move on"
 

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Which goes against the age old BS"I didn't want to do.... but he or she made me do it." I hate it when my kids used that line, and hate it more whena dults blame their problems on other people. Especially if the issues was something that happened when one was a child, there just comes a point when one has to say "grow up and move on"

Modern wisdom as a result of experential learning through family....Good on you..