Capitalism can not eradicate poverty

[HarperCons]

As I've mentioned before, the odd part is that socialism (meaning worker ownership of the means of production) is perfectly feasible in the so-called capitalist countries.

No. No it's not.

The version of communism that you want to portray exists only in theory... Texts books are great and all, l but the only functioning examples of Communist states have all been nothing but total failures on every level, including the theoretical basis.

What you are arguing for is nothing more than a good intention and a fantasy

how do you even reply to something this nonsensical, liberal trash.

you couldn't even me one example ever where communism ever fell in isolation, because it never happened. communism is a threat to the ruling bourgeoisie and they will always attack it if it rises anywhere.

 

[captain morgan]

A half-way intelligent person could, assuming that they actually had a reply.

... Wanna guess where that leaves you?

PS - you still haven't (and can't) provide a single example of a nation that successfully executed on your theoretical version of Communism

 

[HarperCons]

and a failure in the "theoretical basis", like what does that even mean. you also think kim jong il is a communist, so i'm not so sure your knowledge is very up to par for this discussion anyway.

 

[captain morgan]

You have no argument... Ideologues seldom do

 

[HarperCons]

nop, won't be wasting my time with this half wit.

 

[Ludlow]

Harpers definition of a half wit= Anyone who doesn't agree with him

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No. No it's not.

Youngster, you can cover your ears and scream "No, no, no!" as much as you like. It changes nothing.

how do you even reply to something this nonsensical, liberal trash.

you couldn't even me one example ever where communism ever fell in isolation, because it never happened. communism is a threat to the ruling bourgeoisie and they will always attack it if it rises anywhere.

It never fell, in isolation or otherwise, because it never existed.

nop, won't be wasting my time with this half wit.

. . . he announced over his shoulder as he ran away.

 

[HarperCons]

Youngster, you can cover your ears and scream "No, no, no!" as much as you like. It changes nothing.

I can say no no no, because it's an objective fact you silly fool. There is no workers owning the means of production in capitalism, you're being utterly ridiculous. Let's do some reading before spouting off.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue what communism is, what socialism is, or what even your beloved capitalism is. If you aren't going to make the effort to learn and let the bourgeoisie propaganda teach you instead, you're a total lost cause and a waste of my time.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I can say no no no, because it's an objective fact you silly fool. There is no workers owning the means of production in capitalism, you're being utterly ridiculous. Let's do some reading before spouting off.

Of course there is. I've given you five examples. That exist. In the real world.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue what communism is, what socialism is, or what even your beloved capitalism is. If you aren't going to make the effort to learn and let the bourgeoisie propaganda teach you instead, you're a total lost cause and a waste of my time.

I know what they all are, both in theory and in the real world. Where communism does not exist in any form, and capitalism does not exist in pure form.

You really need to learn that you saying something don't make it so.

 

[taxslave]

I wouldn't want to get bogged down in definitions, but common usage of the terms communism and socialism are muddled. I don't want to say that common usage is wrong necessarily, because words get meaning through usage, but I feel like it's better to define communism and socialism as practically synonymous. People who want to argue for social democracy, state capitalism or even things like public roads or welfare, would probably be better off not using the word socialism.

So I don't know how you're using communism and socialism, but it makes little sense to me how one can survive but not the other.

A socialist is just a communist in an Armani suit.

 

[HarperCons]

Of course there is. I've given you five examples. That exist. In the real world.

No you didn't. Owning any real stock isn't at all viable to the average worker plus it's not at all equivalent to owning the means of production. LMFAO.

I know what they all are, both in theory and in the real world. Where communism does not exist in any form, and capitalism does not exist in pure form.

Today's form of capitalism , is the true form of capitalism with consistent reforms within the capitalist framework in order to placate the workers and avoid any large protests that could start a revolution.
Communists and other workers fought for the 8 hour day, and better working conditions. They weren't handed to us by the benevolent capitalists.

 

[taxslave]

I can say no no no, because it's an objective fact you silly fool. There is no workers owning the means of production in capitalism, you're being utterly ridiculous. Let's do some reading before spouting off.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue what communism is, what socialism is, or what even your beloved capitalism is. If you aren't going to make the effort to learn and let the bourgeoisie propaganda teach you instead, you're a total lost cause and a waste of my time.

Actually there is. I can name several companies that are employee owned. But you being an idealog are not very bright.
Simply put socialism and communism is oppression of the masses usually by force for the benefit of the few at the top. Capitalism we don't really have. What we have is entrepreneurship, which everyone has equal opportunity to climb to the top or sink to the bottom on their own ambition. Note that only communist countries have frnces to keep their people in.

 

[MHz]

Poverty can eradicate capitalism. Limit profits to single digits and anything above that just lowers the price of the item. It can be broken by raking in 500% percent or more.

 

[darkbeaver]

Thank you for admitting there has never been a communist country.

How can you tell the difference between tribalism and communism?

 

[taxslave]

How can you tell the difference between tribalism and communism?

Tribes don't need guns and fences to keep their people in.

 

[captain morgan]

Tribes don't need guns and fences to keep their people in.

Good one!

 

[HarperCons]

Actually there is. I can name several companies that are employee owned. But you being an idealog are not very bright.
Simply put socialism and communism is oppression of the masses usually by force for the benefit of the few at the top. Capitalism we don't really have. What we have is entrepreneurship, which everyone has equal opportunity to climb to the top or sink to the bottom on their own ambition. Note that only communist countries have frnces to keep their people in.

what the hell is this gibberish, lol.

god damn goofy liberal ****s.

 

[darkbeaver]

Tribes don't need guns and fences to keep their people in.

Why would they want to keep thier people in? I believe you have no good answer and just vomited up a post that you recently ate.

 

[captain morgan]

Why would they want to keep thier people in? I believe you have no good answer and just vomited up a post that you recently ate.

It's easier to get 100% cooperation when you dictate that there are no options

 

[MHz]

I can name several companies that are employee owned. .

In theory if all companies were owned by the employees rather than shareholders the profits could be held at the low end and it would still be quite fair. If you could determine what a person would spend in an average life-time that amount could be deposited at birth and any excess would be returned to the pool and given to the next baby. Having bankers get a wage that divides 'poor' and 'wealthy' could be used and it would flux with the market, higher in good years and lower in lean production happens. Hemp and plastic would seem to make a natural match. Edson has a mill that produces poplar chipboard in a variety of forms from sheets to beams. Even emerged in water they would not rot for 100 years.
Space-frame designs could use the whole plant and weave (ie willow furniture) it into the desired shape, do the weaving in a chamber pressurized with helium and the design gets lighter the more plants used in it's construction. Mexico has lots of wet places as does Canad that could use a composite matting that has a 50 year life-cyle and that could be natural hemp and a big, really big weaving machine and mats of any design imaginable could be produced. Granted you need a customer that needs them, currently drilling leases were the only customers.

Lattice fence forms are popular around construction sites and the metal saved could be used for something else. Ontario also has access to granite that is just short of being a diamond so shards should have a market value especially if they come sharp when exiting the grinders.