Capitalism can not eradicate poverty

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Buying shares is working in the company.
Employees are the ones that should be voting on the direction the company tales and shareholders should only be along for the ride rather than the most distant people having the most say. A sure recipe for poor to lackluster performance.
 

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I hate communism because it is more or less connected to atheism, while now US, UK and other capitalist countries have a high rate of the atheism, more than the communist countries maybe.

The communism as an economic system is rejected.

But for the capitalism, the things that are rejected are:
1- The usury or interest.
2- the monopoly.
3- hoarding money without giving the Zakat, and the fifth out of the much gain.
4- hoarding money without giving charity and expenditure out of the stored up money in the safe and in the bank.

While it is not forbidden that any man may work and get money in lawful ways, without cheating others, and without gambling and without working in the unlawful works like wine industry and trade ..etc.

There are some ways of limiting that wealth be by the hand of minority of people:
1- The inheritance of the deceased: is distributed among many persons: sons, daughters, wife, grandfathers ..etc.
2- The public wealth is distributed among a large number of people, not only to few persons.
 
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I hate communism because it is more or less connected to atheism, while now US, UK and other capitalist countries have a high rate of the atheism, more than the communist countries maybe.

The communism as an economic system is rejected.

But for the capitalism, the things that are rejected are:
1- The usury or interest.
2- the monopoly.
3- hoarding money without giving the Zakat, and the fifth out of the much gain.
4- hoarding money without giving charity and expenditure out of the stored up money in the safe and in the bank.

While it is not forbidden that any man may work and get money in lawful ways, without cheating others, and without gambling and without working in the unlawful works like wine industry and trade ..etc.

Ummm, errr, What?? Are you drunk?
 

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Of course it can, that's the entire point of communism - to eliminate poverty, especially of the working class. The point of Capitalism is to enrich capitalists.
Of course it cannot. "In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it's the reverse". - J K Galbraith
We all know there's no poverty in NK. Il will not permit it, right? But I bet he doesn't survive on one lone bowl of rice and a couple edible insects per day.
How about Cuba? Do you think Raul Castro struggles on with a wage of around $20 per month?

Nothing can eliminate poverty. Poverty is not an absolute, it is a comparative. No system of economics or government has ever produced economic equality. There have been winners and losers, and big winners and big losers, in every political entity in human history.

So, you have three choices:

1. Go with what we've got, which has a record of steady if uneven improvement in social, physical, and economic well-being for all. Use relatively small and careful experiments to alleviate the worst problems.

2. Jump over to some philosophy, usually socialism or communism, that has already proved an abject failure every place it's ever been tried, and then deny reality.

3. Come up with some wild-a*s idea of your own, and spend the rest of your life carrying around a sign and annoying people on the street.

Don't see a fourth. If you do, let me know.

NB: There are no capitalist countries. Plain fact is that all of the "capitalist" economies are mixed capitalist-socialist, more or less either way.
Yup.
 
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I don't agree at all that communism/socialism has failed, anytime it's tried it is viciously stomped out by the ruling capitalists.
Don't tell me, let me guess. The Soviet Union, East Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela weren't "true" socialist/communist countries, right?
 

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Maybe think asking a Cuban how well it's done... Shouldn't be too hard to speak with one, Florida has 100s of thousands of 'em that risked their lives fleeing on rafts and rickety boats to escape that wondrous paradise

I'd rather talk to a Cuban living in Cuba.

The expectations always exceed the realization of things. The ever present human factor of greed will in all cases contaminate every ideology no matter how logical it sounds. Capitalism seems to be the best shot at people having a chance to put we ahead of me. The other systems and genius philosophies simply don't work. Good words though.


There is no "ever present human factor of greed". Greed isn't an inherent biological trait, it's learned. Capitalism perpetuates greed.

I hate communism because it is more or less connected to atheism

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Not necessarily. Some of the earliest socialist thought is in the bible.

Of course it cannot. "In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it's the reverse". - J K Galbraith
We all know there's no poverty in NK. Il will not permit it, right? But I bet he doesn't survive on one lone bowl of rice and a couple edible insects per day.
How about Cuba? Do you think Raul Castro struggles on with a wage of around $20 per month?

Yup.

The DPRK has nothing to do with communism. What are you even talking about?

Don't tell me, let me guess. The Soviet Union, East Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela weren't "true" socialist/communist countries, right?
Some were, some weren't - all were attacked by outside influences. As the quote in the posted photo explains, none fell in isolation but due to foreign aggression.
 

AnnaG

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The DPRK has nothing to do with communism. What are you even talking about?
So this is all you have in reply to my comment? Do you think it is REALLY AND TRULY democratic? lol

Life in North Korea – The last home of Communism

North Korea Under Communism 1948-2014

But, whatever, communism is no more of a success than capitalism is. And whether the outside had any influence on communist countries or not, their leaders would still be feasting on nourishing meals and living in comparative luxury and the regular folks would be languishing in comparative squalor.
 

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Why would I any other response? DPRK has nothing to do with communism, no matter what "victimsofcommunism.org" says. jesus.
 

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Why would I any other response?
Sorry. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I didn't realize that you are incapable of debate.
For instance:
DPRK has nothing to do with communism, no matter what "victimsofcommunism.org" says. jesus.
Evidence?

And you still haven't provided any evidence that communism is any better than capitalism.
 

HarperCons

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All ideologies are about self interests. Some are just more pretentious than others.
Capitalism is about the interests of only the bourgeois, which is to maximize profits and own as much capital as humanly possible. The ways to achieve this are limitless, human welfare, or the environment is irrelevant if it stands in the way of making a profit.

Socialism/Communism is about the interests of everyone, but specifically the common man who doesn't own the means of production. Human welfare, and the earth itself are much more highly regarded of significant importance.
 

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Socialism/Communism is about the interests of everyone, but specifically the common man who doesn't own the means of production. Human welfare, and the earth itself are much more highly regarded of significant importance.
Like in China and the old USSR.
 

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Not every negative thing the USSR did is so straightforward as to be chalked up to the ideals of Communism.

Some Communists would even argue the USSR was not communist at all.
 

HarperCons

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It's relevant to the nonsense that socialism/communism failed. It didn't, it was attacked by foreign parties and fell under that pressure.