Colpy said:
Treason eh, I bet the conservatives will not reinstate capital punishment, especially for treason. :lol:
Capital punishment issue should be revived
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Treason eh, I bet the conservatives will not reinstate capital punishment, especially for treason. :lol:
I think without doubt that Paul Bernado is guilty. But I would still rather pay to have him locked up for the rest of his life than risk an innocent person being killed.
Anyway, far worse punishment for him to have to spend the rest of his days in a tiny cell.
With the dangerous offender clause, we can and should put seriously sick dangerous offenders away permanently. It is still better to have only jailed an innocent person than to have executed them- you cant rectify execution in any way.
Anyway, far worse punishment for him to have to spend the rest of his days in a tiny cell.
With the dangerous offender clause, we can and should put seriously sick dangerous offenders away permanently. It is still better to have only jailed an innocent person than to have executed them- you cant rectify execution in any way.
Re: RE: Capital punishment is
I don't believe Mr. Harper is a proponent of capital punishment. Maybe you know something I don't, but I think our current PM is against the practise.
JonB2004 said:
I don't believe Mr. Harper is a proponent of capital punishment. Maybe you know something I don't, but I think our current PM is against the practise.
first of all i'd like request everyone stop using the word sicko, its getting annoying
as for the topic at hand
capital punishment is hypocritical. Suppose someone one murdered someone becuase they had some sort of problem with them, money related, adultary related, whatever. So now the country has a problem with this person, for being a murderer, so we murder him. Suppose someone murdered someone just because they felt the need to murder, they got satisfaction from the act. Everyone would be horrified, and they would say execute the bastard! So the government murders him and everyone gets so much pleasure and satisfaction out of seeing this human live taken. Admittedly they are satisified because they see this person as being immoral, not just because they felt the need to we witness to murder, it is, nonetheless, satisfying some sort of bloodlust that is within human's. Capital punishment sends the message that if you have a problem with someone it is okay to murder them. It is much more beneficial for the entire justice system to be an example of rational, reasonable justice, for if we just murder all our criminals it will only perpetuate the cycle of violence.
Also sending someone to jail for life, or executing them differs only in the fact that with an execution people get some sort of sadistic satisfaction out of knowing that the person is no longer alive. If the only concern was really just removing this person from society for the protection of its citizens, then knowing that the person will never be part of society again, should be enough.
Executing a rapist,child molester, murderer will no more stop other rapists, child molesters, or murders than imprisioning them will.
as for the topic at hand
capital punishment is hypocritical. Suppose someone one murdered someone becuase they had some sort of problem with them, money related, adultary related, whatever. So now the country has a problem with this person, for being a murderer, so we murder him. Suppose someone murdered someone just because they felt the need to murder, they got satisfaction from the act. Everyone would be horrified, and they would say execute the bastard! So the government murders him and everyone gets so much pleasure and satisfaction out of seeing this human live taken. Admittedly they are satisified because they see this person as being immoral, not just because they felt the need to we witness to murder, it is, nonetheless, satisfying some sort of bloodlust that is within human's. Capital punishment sends the message that if you have a problem with someone it is okay to murder them. It is much more beneficial for the entire justice system to be an example of rational, reasonable justice, for if we just murder all our criminals it will only perpetuate the cycle of violence.
Also sending someone to jail for life, or executing them differs only in the fact that with an execution people get some sort of sadistic satisfaction out of knowing that the person is no longer alive. If the only concern was really just removing this person from society for the protection of its citizens, then knowing that the person will never be part of society again, should be enough.
Executing a rapist,child molester, murderer will no more stop other rapists, child molesters, or murders than imprisioning them will.
Now, in Britain you could be executed for 250+ crimes those that still stop people. No. You have to give them training you have to have programs for them to better them and if it doesn't work ensure they never leave their little barred cell.
I am in favor of capital punishment when there is no doubt, either by a confession or absolute proof. People like Bernardo and Olsen should not be allowed to live.
I know that people always bring up past cases, and I agree to a point, but I also think that science has now progressed to such a point, and will continue to progress, that doubt is usually not an issue, and if there is doubt, then the person should not be sentenced to death.
But, and I am strong on this, if someone gets life because there may be some doubt, then that person gets life, with absolutely no chance of parole. If new evidence comes up at some future date, so be it, but only then could the case be reopened.
As for rapists and the like, I think it would be incumbent on their cellmate being a guy called Bubba who wants to have a girlfriend. That, to me, would be a living death sentence, and wholly appropriate. 8)
I know that people always bring up past cases, and I agree to a point, but I also think that science has now progressed to such a point, and will continue to progress, that doubt is usually not an issue, and if there is doubt, then the person should not be sentenced to death.
But, and I am strong on this, if someone gets life because there may be some doubt, then that person gets life, with absolutely no chance of parole. If new evidence comes up at some future date, so be it, but only then could the case be reopened.
As for rapists and the like, I think it would be incumbent on their cellmate being a guy called Bubba who wants to have a girlfriend. That, to me, would be a living death sentence, and wholly appropriate. 8)
bluealberta said:
the police may beat him/her up to confess.
bluealberta said:
today we have best technology, tomorrow we'll have better than today. If with today's technology there is no doubt that the person is guilty, maybe with tomorrow's technology there will be doubt.
dekhqonbacha said:
Well, I guess if you want to reach to find debating points, you have done a good job. By totally beyond question, I meant that witnesses saw somebody shoot somebody with a loaded gun and totally killed the person. That would leave little doubt that the crime has been committed.
Clifford Olson did not get beat up, but did confess. The trouble with not having capital punishment is that it could (and I stress could) lead to vigilatism. Yeah, I know that is a stretch, but no more so than your arguments against capital punishment.
Re: State-sanctioned Execution
No, I don't think that the Government of Canada should legislate for the purpose of re-instating the practice of execution. I don't think that it can ever be proven, one hundred per cent, that a person convicted of a crime has done that crime. Prison sentences can be reversed; executions cannot.
If the Government were ever to legislate for execution, the only circumstances under which I could foresee, and understand, such a sentence being ordered and carried out would be for things such as high treason, and perhaps treason. Even under such circumstances, however, I would be quite cautious in moving forward with an execution order. The situation would have to be quite exigent.
No, I don't think that the Government of Canada should legislate for the purpose of re-instating the practice of execution. I don't think that it can ever be proven, one hundred per cent, that a person convicted of a crime has done that crime. Prison sentences can be reversed; executions cannot.
If the Government were ever to legislate for execution, the only circumstances under which I could foresee, and understand, such a sentence being ordered and carried out would be for things such as high treason, and perhaps treason. Even under such circumstances, however, I would be quite cautious in moving forward with an execution order. The situation would have to be quite exigent.
bluealberta
I agree with you.
my point is that if there is a law, saying that if person confess, then he is totally guilty (here I don't know if it exists, but in many other countries police beat them up, then they confess for any crime) then police takes advantage of this law and make him confess. Well of course in extreme case.
I was watching investigation about a murder, on tv. Some one confessed for the shooting. Later investigation revealed that he wasn't guilty. He was mentally sick that's why he confessed. But the latest technology led investigators to find out the proof and the guilty person.
I agree with you.
my point is that if there is a law, saying that if person confess, then he is totally guilty (here I don't know if it exists, but in many other countries police beat them up, then they confess for any crime) then police takes advantage of this law and make him confess. Well of course in extreme case.
I was watching investigation about a murder, on tv. Some one confessed for the shooting. Later investigation revealed that he wasn't guilty. He was mentally sick that's why he confessed. But the latest technology led investigators to find out the proof and the guilty person.
Toro said:
I have to agree with that statment.
When you consider the human rights records of nations who exicute the most people in a year like Arabia and China I think it is easy to see this is not something you wish to do in a society as at best it has even more negitive consequences on society