Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

[SleepinIn]

Oh, Aus-tral-ia! Why didn't ya say so? Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. I didn't know about S. America. That is odd, since, as I remember, Kris has had some radio hits there. And Australia - an English-speaking country - that's odd, too, I agree.

Kris Allen Gets a New Puppy! | Celebrities | News | PEOPLE Pets

PLUS. Lee and Crystal's albums were both released in Australia. AND I've seen press with both of them in Canada... It just makes me feel that there was something going on with the release of Kris's album. I know it sounds crazy But I don't care. It just all feels odd to me that Kris never did any press here, and his album wasn't available in Australia. Maybe the demand wasn't there, but I don't know it doesn't make sense.

Puppies are apparently good for generating press. I wonder if the pup sent out a press release. LOL

I forgot to say earlier that Rex Goudie was in the Toronto Star today.
Canadian Idol runner-up Rex Goudie goes it alone - thestar.com

The print copy of the paper had a much nicer photo with just Rex and no Melissa.

 

[missaddicted]

Wow, Rex Goudie. I had no clue what had happened with him. I think he's actually the first one I ever voted for on Idol. In big part because I thought he was cute (yes, I'm guilty of that!), but I thought he was good too. That was the time when I voted like 5 times and I thought I had voted a lot! Anyway, I went on his Myspace page to listen to his new songs, but I didn't even make it through two of them. Not good. Like at all. Sorry, cute Rex.

 

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I have Rex Goudie's Idol album!! I bought it for $1.99. I wrote something about him on TWoP a while ago. i linked to an article about him. He auditioned as frontman for a Canadian band. I forget the band - kind of well known. I think it's all still there if you go back a couple of pages.

PLUS. Lee and Crystal's albums were both released in Australia. AND I've seen press with both of them in Canada... It just makes me feel that there was something going on with the release of Kris's album. I know it sounds crazy :icon_smile: But I don't care. It just all feels odd to me that Kris never did any press here, and his album wasn't available in Australia. Maybe the demand wasn't there, but I don't know it doesn't make sense.

I don't think there's any way to figure out demand for someone who's never released any music before.

As for South America, as I said, Kris has had radio hits there, including No Boundaries, originally, and Heartless, way back when - so, popularity, yes. CDs avaialble to take advantage of that popularity? No, apparently.

Also - Canada. Kris's videos and his live performances on MOD - I assumed it would have been a given. Haven't Cook and Archie and gawd knows who else been on MOD?

So do you want to put forth the conspiracy theory that Kris was sacrificed so that Adam would have an uncompetitive playing field in these places? (I'm not saying that's what you're saying. However, that's what I'm saying.) I'm not crazy, either, but after a while there doesn't seem to be any other reasonable explanation. Or another variation on the same basic thing: Money that would normally have gone toward promting Kris or his CD - or shipping it - or whatever - was taken from his budget and given to Adam's budget.

I don't think any of this is all that far-fetched - after all TPTB seem to have put a lot of time/effort/money into Adam's promotion, and it had to come from somewhere - and a lot of it is probably usually set aside for the winner - the promotional team, the promotional buget, etc.

One of our Kris fans from Australia was recently talking about how she's contacted Jive and they've given her vague answers about Kris's CD such as "shipping issues." Why not just say, "No, we aren't doing it."? Kris fan from Aus: if you want to know why that CD isn't there, maybe you should ask where all the money came from to finance Adam's trip there and hire the dancers and all the rest of it. Because that may be your answer.

I'm not really buying the whole "they're with different labels" thing, because they're all with Sony, after all, and they're all with 19, and they're all Idols, so you can't tell me it's not all in the same basket.

I think what's becoming obvious over time is not just that TPTB are sometimes ignoring Kris, in a benign way, but that there even seem to be weird, inexplicable indications that they have kept him down, or hindered his progress. I'm just giving some guesses about it. I'm not blaming Adam. But who knows what deals were made or who was a plant or who wasn't, or any of the rest of it. I think Kris is the thing they wish would go away, for some reason. Or stay safely in the background, anyhow.

 

[SleepinIn]

I'm not saying that's what you're saying. However, that's what I'm saying.

That's pretty much what I'm saying too. I think Adam's great, but I do think something happened in regards to Canada and Australia etc. Whether it was just the stations desire to get Adam that they put all their eggs in that basket to show that they'd support him or what. There was some decision made there.

 

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Yes, Virginia, there is a Grassy Knoll.

That's pretty much what I'm saying too. I think Adam's great, but I do think something happened in regards to Canada and Australia etc. Whether it was just the stations desire to get Adam that they put all their eggs in that basket to show that they'd support him or what. There was some decision made there.

Nobody's saying Adam's not great. I don't think Adam is the issue. Not in a personal sense, more just as a product.

I found it odd that, as you said, some stations stopped playing LLWD when it was going up the charts. Why would any station do that? When there are these mysterious things happening I can't help but read into it.

I'm too tired to think, though, at this point, so I'll have to leave it for another time.

The Vegas Mix station named LLWD #3 song out of the Top 10 of the year.

Top 10 Songs Of 2010! Mix 94.1 Today?s Best Music Mix // Las Vegas – Homepage

 

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Kris Allen is included in the performance lineup for 'Hard Rock Cafe Hollywood Blvd. Presents.' The special was filmed at the new Hard Rock Cafe on Hollywood Boulevard and will air on 1/1/11 on KNBC-Los Angeles at 2:30am. (via PR Web)

‘Hard Rock Cafe Hollywood Blvd. Presents’ is a music special featuring music videos from Katy Perry and Lady Antebellum, exclusive acoustic performances by Grammy nominees Little Big Town, Vanguard recording artist Stacy Clark, Brent Roske from the Grammy Museum and American Idol winner Kris Allen. The music special, filmed on location at the brand new Hard Rock Cafe on Hollywood Boulevard, is scheduled to air 1/1/11 on KNBC-Los Angeles at 2:30am.

Meeting Kris Allen in Boston

http://www.drumhellermail.com/home/local-news/9317-jaydee-wants-tim-hortons-too.html

Looking at that picture I think Jaydee might want to lay off the Tim Hortons for a while.

 

[SleepinIn]

Is that a previously taped thing at the Hard Rock?

Looking at that picture I think Jaydee might want to lay off the Tim Hortons for a while.

Now there's someone who I never look for stuff on. He's got a good voice.. but it's REALLY not for me. Like REALLY.

 

[missaddicted]

Is that a previously taped thing at the Hard Rock?

Yes, I saw that it was already taped actually.

 

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Now there's someone who I never look for stuff on. :icon_smile: He's got a good voice.. but it's REALLY not for me. Like REALLY.

I just search Canadian Idol on Google and this stuff is there. I just was surprised at the weight gain and since he was talking about Tim Hortons I went for the easy joke.

 

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Some really obnoxious Glamberts are in the twitterverse this PM.

But here's something nice. http://top40.about.com/od/onthecharts/a/2010-In-Adult-Pop-Music.htm

 

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Idol Let Down: Is America Choosing Well? - Film.com

 

[missaddicted]

That article states so many false things that it's ridiculous. The person who wrote it obviously has something against Idol and they didn't care to check out the facts before writing their paper.

 

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That article states so many false things that it's ridiculous. The person who wrote it obviously has something against Idol and they didn't care to check out the facts before writing their paper.

I know, right? And the writer even consulted "experts," like the pop music critic of the Boston Globe - and they also were clueless. The pop music critic for a major paper - doesn't she read Billboard?

This reminds me of something I'm probably too tired to talk about right now, but it has occurred to me from time to time that I think most pop music sucks, yet I want my favorite to succeed in pop music. It doesn't make sense. If he continues to succeed on pop, wouldn't that mean his music sucks enough to fit in on pop? Or HAC (which also, largely, sucks)? I'm beginning to wonder why I want him in that position.

New interview: http://krisallenaddicts.blogspot.com/2010/12/exclusive-interview-with-kris-allen.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Krisallenaddictscom+%28KrisAllenAddicts.com%29&utm_content=Twitter

Is that the Idols Tour plaid shirt? If not, it's a reasonable facsimile.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

Crystal sold 58k in her first week . I never thought she could outsell Lee's album 8O. She did better than I expected. Good for her!

That's pretty much what I'm saying too. I think Adam's great, but I do think something happened in regards to Canada and Australia etc. Whether it was just the stations desire to get Adam that they put all their eggs in that basket to show that they'd support him or what. There was some decision made there.

Adam has been promoted in Canada because there IS a market. FYI, Adam's "Season 8 Favorite Performances" album charted at No.57 on the Canadian album chart. Kris's didn't make the chart at all. It showed that Adam already had a decent-sized fanbase WITHOUT any promo. And by the time Adam started his Canadian promo for the FYE album, he already had two hit songs(FYE & WWFM). Plus, Adam and Kris' albums were both available for import in non-US countries at the same time. The import version of FYE charted in countries like Japan and UK, the import version of KATA didn't. Those things tell record companies that there is an international market for Adam and tells them that there is far less of a market for Kris. Kris was promoted in South Asia where there is a level of interest.

 

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"Season 8 Favorite Performances" album charted at No.57 on the Canadian album chart. Kris's didn't make the chart at all. It showed that Adam already had a decent-sized fanbase WITHOUT any promo.

This makes sense. Although Adam has really never been without promo. But I assume you mean official promo.

And by the time Adam started his Canadian promo for the FYE album, he already had two hit songs(FYE & WWFM).

But you don't say how they became hit songs in Canada.

SleepinIn talked about how the teen response to FYE on MOD was rather desultory, at first, but that, over time, there was more enthusiasm. That suggests a certain indifference, at first. Demand was, in part, created - as it usually is.

FYE became a hit because Canadian radio played it, and Adam's fans were able to request it - and because the video was played on MOD and was able to be requested by his Canadian fans (and his American - and worldwide - fans, because they organized power voting for it on the daily countdown). WWFM was the same. The songs had daily TV exposure to Canadian teens. LLWD had no such exposure, but it's reasonable to suppose Canadian kids are not completely different in their tastes from American kids, and would probably not hate Kris Allen, or the song. had it been marketed to them in the same way. It's also reasonable to suppose that had LLWD appeared on the MOD countdown that Kris's fans would have organized similar power voting (though they're probably not as organized as Adam's).

I'm sure you're right that there may have been a lack of interest in Kris based on Season 8 album sales. But after he had a hit song in the US, he became like every other artist who has a hit song in the US. Since other US artists with hit songs get their songs and their videos played in Canada, based on their US sales and radio play, at that point it seems obvious Kris should have, also. And why LLWD was pulled, or played less, at the point it was getting significant gains in airplay, is another mystery.

I guess I believe that even if Kris's Idol run did not make him as popular in Canada as Adam, this should not determine his marketing there for the rest of his life.

As for Australia, it was pointed out that Lee's and Crystal's CD's are being made available there (as was Adam's) while Kris's has not been made available. Why? Neither Lee nor Crystal had any hits, nor have their album sales been extraordinary. It was also pointed out that Lee and Crystal seem to be getting more press coverage in Canada than Kris. Even though their Season 9 itunes sales and all their other sales and radio play here have been abysmal.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

FYE became a hit because Canadian radio played it, and Adam's fans were able to request it - and because the video was played on MOD and was able to be requested by his Canadian fans (and his American - and worldwide - fans, because they organized power voting for it on the daily countdown). WWFM was the same. The songs had daily TV exposure to Canadian teens. LLWD had no such exposure, but it's reasonable to suppose Canadian kids are not completely different in their tastes from American kids, and would probably not hate Kris Allen, or the song. had it been marketed to them in the same way. It's also reasonable to suppose that had LLWD appeared on the MOD countdown that Kris's fans would have organized similar power voting (though they're probably not as organized as Adam's).

Radio stations play what they want. You know that FYE could not get radioplay in the US. Z100 would have added FYE had they liked it, but they didn't because they didn't like it.

 

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Yeah, but can he rap?

I tend to believe SleepinIn's analysis regarding Adam's being pushed on Much radio and MOD partly in exchange for his radio station, MOD, and MMVA appearances. I don't see anything unusual about that. But again I don't see why LLWD was removed from playlists when it was obviously gaining ground, not losing ground. And I still don't get the Australia thing where Kris is concerned, especially if Jive has chosen to release Crystal's album there - unless her Season9 album sales were big there and there was a proven demand. Were they big anywhere?

Live Like We're Dying and The Truth have not been available on Aus. itunes, either - the only thing that is available on itunes is the video for The Truth. Not even the LLWD video. So this just seems screwy to me.

Anyhow, we could debate it forever but whatever we all think isn't going to change anything.

 

[SleepinIn]

Radio stations play what they want. You know that FYE could not get radioplay in the US. Z100 would have added FYE had they liked it, but they didn't because they didn't like it.

Exactly my point.

CHUM played it because they wanted to.. Why they wanted to (aside from the songs own merits) are something else again. It was interesting watching MOD during that period, because the kids in the audience really couldn't have cared less about the song when they first started playing it, but because of power voting.. and I don't believe it was the demands of the 15 year olds in Canada alone.. I just don't.. They really started to like it because it's a catchy tune, with a cool video. You could see the change in the audience.

On the other hand, you couldn't even request or play LLWD - you still can't on Much. And if you've visited Much's website.. believe me there are songs and videos on there that you'll never want to see again. So yeah, I still think that there's something to my theory of CHUM wanting Adam to play at their MMVA's and so they promoted and played his music and video. I don't blame them for that. I do kinda blame them for not playing LLWD because it's a good song. And their resistance to it was extraordinary since they jumped on the Lee Dewyze Boxer train and rode it to the ground this past summer. So it's not like they usually avoid Idol songs. It was just odd. But anyway.... *getting off knollish soapbox*

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

 

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Thanks, SleepinIn!! Same to you!

My boss surprised me yesterday by playing Kris singing The Christmas Song, from Santa Rosa, on her computer! She had never heard or seen him before but she knows I like him. Her reaction: "He's really good looking. He's kinda bluesy. " She also told me that her daughter (who's two yrs old) would be dancing to it if she heard it.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

 

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^Just thought I'd continue the tradition of the Christmas Eve Disney cartoon...