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[SleepinIn]

"September" by Daughtry was less of a hit song than "If I Had You". So why don't you complain about "September" being in the top 40?

The point isn't so much what's on the list as what isn't on the list. As in LLWD was a big hit and should be there. It's not something I'm stewing over, it's just a fact.

I'm not really a fan of September to be honest, and I don't love IIHY - but I do love the video for IIHY. I don't think I've ever even seen the video for September so it's not something I feel I can judge. I know both songs did well - because I heard them all the time on the radio, I also heard LLWD all the time. So it's mainly the fact that it's missing from the list that surprises me because it was one of the biggest songs of the year, whatever else is on the list is entirely up in the air.. except for the Kings of Leon song.. that one I quibble over.

I thought you meant with that kid (guy). I read about that on twitter. The guy was saying Kris was coming by....but he never did, did he?

They just replayed Kris's interview with Shelley. "Oh Kris is arriving.." (complete and total lie ) then interview with Shelly.

 

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"September" by Daughtry was less of a hit song than "If I Had You". So why don't you complain about "September" being in the top 40?

I just saw SleepinIn's post. I think she said it better than I could. I agree with her first sentence - it's not what's there, it's what isn't.

I actually already said, in my previous post, I have no problem with IIHY being there. I have a problem with LLWD not being there.

Daughtry was not a new star this year. Adam and Kris were the new pop stars who came off of AI8. These were their first hits, ever. And LLWD and WWFM had very similar charts on Mediabase (with Kris being one point ahead on AC and HAC, and Adam being one point ahead on Pop). LLWD a big hit on radio and it also sold more than a million and a half copies. But I don't think IIHY has sold a million and a half copies and I don't think it ranked as high as LLWD on Mediabase. And it was #1 on the VH1 countdown two times, just like LLWD. So I compared the two songs and the two videos. You can think however you want, but I think LLWD deserved to be on the list over IIHY. And possibly over a few other things. I just don't have the info because I don't follow 30 or 40 other artists - Daughtry included.

Now I'm ready to move on to another subject. Like I said, I don't think this list is all that. And a bag of chips. And a soda.

They just replayed Kris's interview with Shelley. "Oh Kris is arriving.." (complete and total lie :icon_smile: ) then interview with Shelly.

Oh. Haha. Well, to us diehards that's a cheat, but if kids hadn't heard the interview before, it's new to them. I don't blame them (Goom) for presenting it as if it's live. It's just good showmanship, or whatever. Makes it seem more exciting.

ETA: Just wanted to add, as SleepinIn already hinted, Kris actually gets more attention being left off that list than if he had been included. (As the thread on MJ's proved.) It's when they stop talking about you that you should start worrying. So it's not so bad, really.

Apparently Tommy Ratliff likes Kris. Or his T-shirt. Or something.

 

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So, CapsuleNeo, I forgot to ask what your opinion was about the subject we were discussing and who made that list or didn't. We really didn't hear your input.

 

[missaddicted]

Wow, I didn't know that the horrible Jeff Fenster worked for Jive. From Shirley Halperin's new blog: 'Idol' A&R Man Jeff Fenster Exits Jive; WBR Bound? - Idol Worship

He has some history with Hanson, some BAD history. Shirley talks about it in her post.

 

[SleepinIn]

He had some bad history with Hanson Missaddicted? I didn't know that... and he was in charge of the Idol folk.. I wonder what it will mean with all of these Jive execs abandoning ship? Is it a good thing, or a bad thing?

This is really nice *sniff*

YouTube - AI Welcome Home

Also Kris and Zorro's holiday message is up on his official site. LOL - Kris what is your hat?

 

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OMG, I thought I was watching a 3 minute commercial, and it just kept going. What the heck is that?? Very nice. It does jerk the tears, doesn't it? (But I think Kris is the one who's into charity the most, non?)

Kris Allen Is A Liar. Kris Allen performs 'Don't Look Back in Anger' - PopWrap

Kris what is your hat?

It's a glittery Santa hat. For the glittery guy from Conway, Ark.

Just read the Jeff Fenster article, Interesting. Did you see that film, missaddicted?

 

[missaddicted]

Aw, the AI Welcome Home thing is sweet! ross, it's a TV show that aired last night on some FOX stations. I think it was originally supposed to air in January, but some stations aired it last night.

The PopWrap thing is hilarious!

Yes, SleepinIn, Jeff Fenster was pretty horrible with Hanson. I watched their movie Strong Enough to Break that Shirley talks about in her post and he just acted like he didn't care at all for them. Which he probably didn't. Because of some labels merging, Hanson ended up with Jeff Fenster and Islands Def Jam, and they were never receptive to them. It happened in 2002 I believe. That's when they broke their contract with their major label and started their own label. I didn't know he had been working with Jive the last few years though. *shudders*

(BTW, SleepinIn, I sent you some HR! links via PM on twitter, did you get them?)

 

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BTW, missaddicted, I'm always impressed by David Cook when he speaks - I don't know what there is about him but he has an intelligent way of expressing himself, I guess.

This article about the Top 100 songs of 2010 from NPR mentions Kris and Adam. I don't know what I think about the many articles that talk about current music trends, because all they can do is report it, but the fact is (at least I think so), once a trend becomes so recognizable that people are reporting it, it has usually peaked, or is soon to peak. I think this trend has a little more life to it but I can't see it lasting for years. I don't know why. Well, yes, I do know why - because ultimately people get tired of electronically produced music.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/...st-songs-of-2010-drinking-dancing-and-da-club

 

[missaddicted]

Yes, I'm also always impressed by David when he speaks. I think a lot of fans love this about him. It's his birthday today, he's 28!

I hope you're right about the trends ross. I hope most of the trends NPR talks about have peaked. It does make me nervous for David a bit. How will his rock album that he'll release in the first months of 2011 (probably) fare against all this pop music about partying and drinking?

 

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I hope I'm right, too - then again, it may just be wishful thinking. But one thing seems obvious - pop music doesn't stay static and the trends go back and forth - remember when hair bands were hugely popular? No, I guess you don't! Well - just as an example. Anything can happen.

Eveyone seems to be covering Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas this year.

Happy Holidays From The Latency!

I wonder if people know where this song comes from. It's from the movie, Meet Me In St. Louis.

YouTube - JUDY GARLAND: 'MEET ME IN ST LOUIS'. 'HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS' WITH SNOWMAN CLIP.

ETA: I just looked at the thread devoted to the AI Welcome Home special, it is hilarious (unintentionally). OMG. Thank God for this forum right here, is all I can say. Or I'd probably go nuts.

 

[SleepinIn]

Popwrap guy is awesome, LOL. That video is all kinds of alright With me - I've always loved it Kris's ability to show his emotions through song just take you everywhere, from pain to joy, and when he's having fun.. it's pretty darn hard to resist. Plus Popwrap is right, Kris can dance, in fact he dances everywhere.

(BTW, SleepinIn, I sent you some HR! links via PM on twitter, did you get them?)

Yes, just saw them!! Thanks (SQUEE! - sorry Ross)

I thought the Welcome Home thing was excellent, they all came off really well, and it showed that they're all successful. People can throw statistics and charts at them til the cows come home, but these people are able to make a living doing something that they all love - making music. It's got a real positive energy about it, and that's the real success of Idol. IMHO.

the fact is (at least I think so), once a trend becomes so recognizable that people are reporting it, it has usually peaked, or is soon to peak. I think this trend has a little more life to it but I can't see it lasting for years. I don't know why. Well, yes, I do know why - because ultimately people get tired of electronically produced music.

I agree. Something my sister always says is fashion ends in excess.. she's talking about clothes but it applies to everything. When it gets to that point then the only other option is to go in the complete opposite direction, because that becomes new and different. It's all cyclical. The peppy poppy 80's ended in grunge. I agree we're not at the saturation point yet, but I kinda am - and we're not the only ones trying to get out of the clubs with the lyrics. I've seen a lot of posts on it lately.

Maybe this current trend is one of the reasons that they're not rushing David's album out just yet. They may have a plan.. lol.. I don't know if I believe it either.. but it's a possibility.

ETA: I just looked at the thread devoted to the AI Welcome Home special, it is hilarious (unintentionally). OMG. Thank God for this forum right here, is all I can say. Or I'd probably go nuts.

Well, we try for sanity. We don't always succeed, but at least we try LOL

So randomly, Crystal worked with David Bendeth? Who knew. He also worked with Hedley on Perfect.

 

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Well, we try for sanity. We don't always succeed, but at least we try :wink: LOL

I plead with you to read that thread, if you haven't. It's like landing on another planet. You don't realize it now, but that AI Welcome Home special sucks. Sucks big time. lol

So randomly, Crystal worked with David Bendeth? Who knew. He also worked with Hedley on Perfect.

I don't know him. Is he good? What is he, a producer?

It's all cyclical. The peppy poppy 80's ended in grunge. I agree we're not at the saturation point yet, but I kinda am - and we're not the only ones trying to get out of the clubs with the lyrics. I've seen a lot of posts on it lately.

That's really interesting.

Whenever I say something won't last, I think of people who said rap/ hip-hop wouldn't last, that it was only a fad. But I wasn't one of the people who said rap wouldn't last. I don't think this current trend in pop is the same kind of thing.

I've seen a lot of bands and artists this past year. The ones whose music reminded me the most of Cook's (since you brought up his upcoming CD) were probably Switchfoot, GooGoo Dolls, and Lifehouse. Not exactly, but you know what I mean. My point is, they were all great, live, and you just don't know these days what's happening to radio, to recorded music, to anything music-business-related. But if you can do a great live show, that shouldn't go out of style any time soon.

I thought the Welcome Home thing was excellent, they all came off really well, and it showed that they're all successful. People can throw statistics and charts at them til the cows come home, but these people are able to make a living doing something that they all love - making music. It's got a real positive energy about it, and that's the real success of Idol. IMHO.

If they weren't successful people Idol would never have made this special. Fact is, most of them do much better than just make a living. Whenever people talk about Taylor being a flop I want to ask them to point to another flop that makes a third of a million dollars a year - and doing what they love, to boot.

 

[missaddicted]

But if you can do a great live show, that shouldn't go out of style any time soon.

Yes, you're right, I totally agree. I guess I'm more scared of the expectations. In terms of sales. I mean, my favorite band is coming out with a new album in February and while I have some expectations concerning the quality of the music (no doubts though, I know it'll be great!), I don't really have expectations concerning sales or commercial success. Not that I don't wish them more and more success, because I do! But for Idols, I guess there are expectations, people are expecting them to be successful, otherwise, they are judged pretty harshly sometimes. So, yeah, I don't doubt that David has the talent and the capacity to come out with great music and an amazing live show, but the musical context right now is kind of depressing.

 

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Just read this:

Indeed, when it comes to marketing Crystal Bowersox the artist, her label Jive Records is also planning some not-so-traditional moves, like trying to book a performance slot at the Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival and sending Crystal to South By Southwest (SXSW), the annual gathering of music fanatics and industry professionals in Austin, Texas.

“The key with Crystal is to deliver her live as much as we possibly can,” says Jive’s vp of marketing, Lisa Cambridge. “She has a level of integrity as an artist, is so empowered and everything she does creatively is to that end, so her fans are very passionate about her. She’s also extremely acoustic, so she can take a guitar and do a show anywhere, like SXSW, Bonnaroo and things that Idols can’t usually do.”

*cough* bullsh*t *cough*

Um...yeah, I understand, missaddicted, the expectations for Idols - I hope that begins to change. They ought to take an average of the sales and the salaries and everything else of all nine Idol winners and runners up, and then that should be the thing people judge by. Other than Carrie Underwood and I guess Kelly Clarkson there are no real Idol winner superstars - and one of those two is country, after all.

I never understood why winning a tv talent contest - or being on the show - should guarantee anybody anything in the music business. It's a tv show. What do people not understand about that? Why doesn't everyone on British talent shows end up rich like Susan Boyle? Aren't they supposed to? No, it doesn't work that way.

 

[missaddicted]

Yeah, I read that thing about Crystal. At first, I thought good for her, and then I read that last sentence and I was like, LOL, whatever.

She has a level of integrity as an artist, is so empowered and everything she does creatively is to that end, so her fans are very passionate about her.

Replace "she" for "he" in that sentence and it could very well apply to both David and Kris as well.

 

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Right you are.

Of course it's just publicity, but still. Lee deWyze, Jason Castro, Andrew Garcia, just to name a few others. Plus, for the VP of marketing of Jive to say that Idols usually can't do that, is really annoying when you think about it. When on her label she has an Idol winner who does just that, quite often (albeit with Cale, but I imagine Crystal would also have a backup guitar player at a show like Bonneroo).

OH, WELL. Is all I can say.

 

[SleepinIn]

she can take a guitar and do a show anywhere, like SXSW, Bonnaroo and things that Idols can’t usually do.

It's all in the spin, right? I mean it is great Crystal can do that.. because generally when I go to a show to hear live music I want them to sound good. And the thing with Idol is that they usually all do sound good. They may not all play instruments, but I think a lot of them do. They're just not marketed that way. This WGWG label is so bogus. They all have skills. Jive is just trying to distance themselves and Crystal from Idol.

Don't you think Gina is doing a lot of this work for Crystal regarding press releases and stuff? I know she doesn't work for Jive anymore but she's got to have a ton of connections. She's really working it for Crystal which is nice that she believes in her. Because that's what you need.

I see her tweeting people about CD availability and I wonder where that was for Kris... and I don't blame her.. because clearly if she left Jive to manage Crystal there was something about the deal that she or Crystal didn't like. But I still see people talking about Kris's CD not being available for purchase. And that bugs.

Also Dave Bendeth appears to be a writer and producer.

 

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I don't know what you mean about CD availability. What is she tweeting?

Kris's CD was originally available everywhere. He was the American Idol winner. It's now a year later and some places must be out of stock - though I usually see a couple of copies available most places I look. But I've never understood the complaints. I mean, I don't think there's widespread unavailability. At least around here, you can buy it.

It is, however, expensive. That has been the case all along. I saw it for sale recently for $15.98. I myself paid $13.98. I've never seen it for sale for under $10.00 in a store. (FYE, on the other hand, I've never seen for sale for over$12.00).

 

[SleepinIn]

I don't know what you mean about CD availability. What is she tweeting?

I guess there are website availability issues on Crystal's site. I'm not completely sure but it seems like people were having problems buying it.

Kris's CD was originally available everywhere.

Except apparently Australia and South America. Which is what I was thinking about as I typed that. America's never had a problem with availability really .. there's always Amazon and itunes afterall. But to not even have it on sale in Australia? that's so odd to me.

True about the expensive though. I think I've seen it on sale once.

 

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Oh, Aus-tral-ia! Why didn't ya say so? Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. I didn't know about S. America. That is odd, since, as I remember, Kris has had some radio hits there. And Australia - an English-speaking country - that's odd, too, I agree.

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